HEAR ME OUT !!!

[Mihai_89]

I will start off by saying i have seen the gameplay yesterday for DAV and to be honest it looks quite good.

Now, to everyone that is concerned about this game's gameplay and the direction they took it in, let me reassure you - i have been a long time BIOWARE fan since the days SW KOTOR 1, have put over 300 hours in MASS EFFECT LEGENDARY EDITION and around 300 hours in DAO, DA2, DAI in total.

I am too an older fan of DA's classic more MMO style combat, but i must say that in the past that system has got to be kind of outdated.

And please DO NOT compare this game to BALDURS GATE 3 - yes i know BIOWARE made BG1 and BG2 but they have also since SW KOTOR 1 in 2003, they have started to take their games in the more action realm with titles like : ME2, DA2, ME3, DAI, even KOTOR 1 was more action-orientated than DAO.

Yes i know the older fans are dissapointed about the lack of that classic MMO style combat system and the tactical camera.

Yes i was kinda dissapointed yesterday in like the first 5 minutes BUT after seeing more gameplay and how abilities work but please hear me out.

Here a few things i will point out and i will try to reassure the older fans as much as i can because i am one too - an older fan :

1) COMBAT - the game's combat is clearly meant to be more fast-paced and action-orientated, the older fans will remember BIOWARE already tried this with DA2 and that game despite having flaws it was still a GOOD game, we have seen it is not like DAO or DAI but let's not jump the gun, that doesn't mean we will not be able to assign skill points to our companions or even configure their skill tree, just because we cannot control them doesn't mean we won't be able to configure their abilities and to make BUILDS for them

2) USER INTERFACE - those of you familiar with the MASS EFFECT series i'm sure you might be able to recognize how they made the UI in Dragon Age Veilguard, when that ability screen pops up it really does look in my opinion A LOT like how the UI in ME1 and ME2 was and how you select your companions abilities

3) COMPANIONS - so we know that companions will not be playable for the first time in the series, but this is not a bad thing, think about it this way : MASS EFFECT never had playable companions and the games were really good, it didn't take away from romancing them or having enjoyable conversations with them and making decisions

4) LINEAR MISSIONS - we all know that DAI's weakness was the fact it was open world and there were a crapton of fetch quests and the pretty much annoying power system that would not let the player advance in the story unless you had a certain power number, well in Dragon Age Veilguard the good old linear style missions are back like how they were in DAO and DA2 so that is definetly a good thing

5) GAMEPLAY - what we saw in that reveal yesterday, im sure most people saw this, our protagonist Rook was only LEVEL 1 which means the gameplay itself was indeed a bit underwhelming since we didn't get to see a full on maxed out Rook at level 30 + the other 2 party companions maxed out with proper builds, what i'm trying to say is that it would have been better if they showed what a FULL ON MAXED OUT party could do in an intense combat scenario with multiple enemies

Just because it's not the exact same style of gameplay which we had so far, it doesn't mean it will be worse, to be honest even i myself as long time fan, i found DAO and DAI's combat to be very frustrating at times because they were really slow-paced and sometimes it felt like taking down larger groups of harder enemies took forever.

I really encourage all of the older fans to keep an open mind about Dragon Age Veilguard.

[Mihai_89]

Originally posted by Horus Blackheart:

Do you work for EA? Cause this sounds like PR vomit.

Have you played any of the previous games : DAO, DA2, DAI ?

Because i have over 300 hours in those games and you sound like someone who has never touched a DA game before, you sound like someone who just got on the hate train because it's "cool".

I am simply trying to help out the older player base about what this game will probably be like so perhaps they will not be as pissed off about it and maybe actually give it a chance.

[~ Fabulous ~]

Its the art direction that irk me, it does not look dark fantasy, just look at that pride demon, wtf is that?

[Яeplicant]

Originally posted by Horus Blackheart:

Do you work for EA? Cause this sounds like PR vomit.

Good to know that you also have no idea what PR actually sounds like.

[Mihai_89]

Originally posted by Яeplicant:

Originally posted by Horus Blackheart:

Do you work for EA? Cause this sounds like PR vomit.

Good to know that you also have no idea what PR actually sounds like.

LMAO - nice one

[Mihai_89]

Originally posted by Butcher:

Originally posted by Mihai_89:

I am too an older fan of DA's classic more MMO style combat, but i must say that in the past that system has got to be kind of outdated.

Veilguard "ROLL DODGE" combat got outdated before it got released.

What i mean by that is they tried to make it more modern.

The older DA games didn't really have a dodging mechanic.

[Mihai_89]

Originally posted by Butcher:

Originally posted by Mihai_89:

What i mean by that is they tried to make it more modern.

The older DA games didn't really have a dodging mechanic.

The ♥♥♥♥ is modern about completely changing genre? Can you tell me?

Maybe they should have made racing game out of it? Or dating one?

They didn't really have anything else they could do in my opinion.

If they had made it like DAO or DAI - people would probably be like "oh it's more of the same thing from DAI a game from 10 years ago, it's outdated, what have they been doing for 10 years ?"

At least they are trying something new and to be fair the gameplay really leans into DA2 and ME1 with the UI elements and how you control companions skills, take a look at the gameplay again.

Also the fact they showed a LEVEL 1 Rook isn't exactly the best example with party at that level too.

[Mihai_89]

Originally posted by The_Guy:

My counter arguments:
- Artstyle is terrible
- Gameplay looks like its out of 2012. As an example: Why cant you kick an enemy into the abyss when he is standing right next to one?!
- Only 3 Abilities
- Companions are just there to exist, do zero damage nor get targeted
- camera seems to be ♥♥♥♥
- Level 1 but jumping and humping around like you are at your peak
- Solas amazing ritual plan was interrupted by .... ... ... an one old wooden plank that breaks away
- No ambience sound, No running/fleeing people even tho we have a demon attack on the city instead we get blasted with music
- Enemy AI looks mentally challenged
- "Boss Fight" was literally just Press R to Win
- No weight behind attacks
- No visual changes in the arrow quiver, seems like lazy Devs at work again

I mean i could go on and on but ... that game is dead on arrival, the Dragon Age Community went downhill with DA2 anyway. When you look at reddit dragon age all you see is random fan fic about their character banging some other companion or fantasizing about it. Even now the only thing ppl drool about is which character they'll bang first ...

I am not really sure about the boss fight but i think there is some type of counter mechanic or parry system - on some of the Pride Demon's attacks Rook clearly has a yellow glow appearing above him which could indicate maybe a counter or parry - perhaps something similar to HOGWARTS style ?

[Mortal_Kasi]

Originally posted by Mihai_89:

Originally posted by Horus Blackheart:

Do you work for EA? Cause this sounds like PR vomit.

Have you played any of the previous games : DAO, DA2, DAI ?

Because i have over 300 hours in those games and you sound like someone who has never touched a DA game before, you sound like someone who just got on the hate train because it's "cool".

I am simply trying to help out the older player base about what this game will probably be like so perhaps they will not be as pissed off about it and maybe actually give it a chance.

Hello old Bioware and Dragon Age Fan here, i have not a big Problem with the Gameplay i am always for more action oriented Gameplay.

But the art directon that makes everything look like a cartoon caricature of former Dragon Age imy biggest problem. And then there are the companions who look like my Neighbours and not like a cool bunch of Bad A** Fantasy Heroe's like Aveline, Cassandra and yes even Dorian. Not to talk about the uglyfied female faces.

Only thing left for me so far is the hope that the Story can make up for the rest, but honestly i doubt that it can.

[Mortal_Kasi]

Originally posted by Butcher:

Originally posted by Mortal_Kasi:

Hello old Bioware and Dragon Age Fan here, i have not a big Problem with the Gameplay i am always for more action oriented Gameplay.

Bioware fan... for action oriented gameplay... Oh no-no-no

Yes-yes-yes, different people different opinons.

I mean i can still enjoy their Storys and world's right? I played the Heck out of Jade Empire by the way, one of my all time favourites! But i still love the goldies too.

[Anna]

I dont know what you are trying to do. We have all seen the same character introduction trailer and the gameplay video as you. We have seen the same things. Maybe you liked what you saw but people have different priorities and value different things in games.

Hopefully you will enjoy dialogues with your best cartoon friend Emmrich while looking deeply into his googly cartoon eyes.. it will add to the atmosphere for sure.

[ahsanford]

Originally posted by The_Guy:

I mean i could go on and on but ... that game is dead on arrival, the Dragon Age Community went downhill with DA2 anyway.

Some people never got over DA2, saying goodbye to Ferelden and the Blight, and telling a smaller scale story in one city in a different part of Thedas. They wanted another epic DA:O dark fantasy epic and BioWare never gave it to them.

But most fans rolled with it. Inquisition outsold Origins, folks. BioWare moved on, and a lot of us embraced those changes and enjoyed the franchise in each installment.

I have concerns about Veilguard -- I'd be a fool not to given the tumult of the project, studio, etc. And what I saw is, well, different.

But I also know how many playthroughs of DA:O, DA2 and DA:I I've had. Hell, this release blitz, hearing Solas trying to reason with his old friend Varric in the trailer, etc. has me fired up and pondering another DA:I run right now.

Best to just buckle up and embrace it when it arrives this fall, IMHO.

- A

[Mihai_89]

Originally posted by The_Guy:

Originally posted by Mihai_89:

I am not really sure about the boss fight but i think there is some type of counter mechanic or parry system - on some of the Pride Demon's attacks Rook clearly has a yellow glow appearing above him which could indicate maybe a counter or parry - perhaps something similar to HOGWARTS style ?

What glowy thing do you mean ... there was a lot of glowy stuff .. the skin, the light, the shadows, the enviroment ... there was A LOT of glow ...

At around 12 minutes in that gameplay video this is like a yellow glow kinda like an aura appearing above Rook's head at moments where the Pride Demon attacks - it seems like it's some sort of counter or parry system although i'm not 100% sure.

[Mihai_89]

Originally posted by Anna:

I dont know what you are trying to do. We have all seen the same character introduction trailer and the gameplay video as you. We have seen the same things. Maybe you liked what you saw but people have different priorities and value different things in games.

Hopefully you will enjoy dialogues with your best cartoon friend Emmrich while looking deeply into his googly cartoon eyes.. it will add to the atmosphere for sure.

I'm not trying to do anything specific - i am just trying to reassure the older fans that this game might NOT be as BAD as everyone thinks it will be.

Yes they took it in a whole different direction BUT they have tried this before with DA2 and what we saw was a LEVEL 1 Rook with a party at that same level.

The abilities work like in MASS EFFECT where the player just pops up the abilities window for his companions and selects what he likes.

I think not having a control of party members is what got a lot of people upset about it - they kinda tried making it like MASS EFFECT and now people aren't sure what to expect, but i do not think this will be a bad system, i think anyone who has ever played a ME game will feel very familiar with DAV

[ahsanford]

Originally posted by The_Guy:

What glowy thing do you mean ... there was a lot of glowy stuff .. the skin, the light, the shadows, the enviroment ... there was A LOT of glow ...

They were in a legendary city powered by f------ magic, you hack.

Did you expect capital of the Imperium to look like some dusty medieval backwater?

If you don't like the color palette, the saturation, etc. just wait for a mod rescale and turn down the color. Such a dumb angle of attack for this game.

- A

[Mortal_Kasi]

Originally posted by Butcher:

Originally posted by Mortal_Kasi:

Yes-yes-yes, different people different opinons.

I mean i can still enjoy their Storys and world's right? I played the Heck out of Jade Empire by the way, one of my all time favourites! But i still love the goldies too.

Lo and behold, self-proclaimed "BIOWARE FAN"(TM) speaks.

Hm isn't any Fan of anything self proclaimed? I mean did Bioware or anything else you are a fan of did come to you and tells you that you are now a Fan of them?

Everyone Loves something for different reasons right? But hey if you think ia have no right to like what i like because i have a different view on things. That is totally okay and it does not bother me at all.