What happened to Sajuuk (ship) ? Why Higaran technology didn't evolve with ?

[Rajive]

At the end of HW 2 we get to use Sajuuk, a starship way more powerfull than anything else, even the Bentusi from HW1 and HW C/R.

In 120 years the Higaran had plenty of time to study the ship and it's technology yet it feels like they didn't advance a bit. In fact on some aspect the Higaran ships are less efficiant and powerfull than they were in HW2 (Bomber, battlecruiser and corvette were more advance then).

Also, why didn't Karan use Sajuuk when going in the anomaly, or Imogen after?
It is a very dangerous place and the mothership is not even close to Sajuuk power & structure.

Bonus question : What happened to the Pride of Hiigara?

[Mythos]

No idea. Instead of expanding the lore writers decided to focus on momma drama and the most cliché one dimensional villain in gaming history.

I was hoping all that would be answered in 3 same as you.

[Flushing]

Originally posted by Rajive:

At the end of HW 2 we get to use Sajuuk, a starship way more powerfull than anything else, even the Bentusi from HW1 and HW C/R.

In 120 years the Higaran had plenty of time to study the ship and it's technology yet it feels like they didn't advance a bit. In fact on some aspect the Higaran ships are less efficiant and powerfull than they were in HW2 (Bomber, battlecruiser and corvette were more advance then).

Also, why didn't Karan use Sajuuk when going in the anomaly, or Imogen after?
It is a very dangerous place and the mothership is not even close to Sajuuk power & structure.

Bonus question : What happened to the Pride of Hiigara?

I think Sajuuk started having babies, and those babies are the incarnate ships.

[Tram]

Originally posted by Rajive:

At the end of HW 2 we get to use Sajuuk, a starship way more powerfull than anything else, even the Bentusi from HW1 and HW C/R.

In 120 years the Higaran had plenty of time to study the ship and it's technology yet it feels like they didn't advance a bit. In fact on some aspect the Higaran ships are less efficiant and powerfull than they were in HW2 (Bomber, battlecruiser and corvette were more advance then).

Also, why didn't Karan use Sajuuk when going in the anomaly, or Imogen after?
It is a very dangerous place and the mothership is not even close to Sajuuk power & structure.

Bonus question : What happened to the Pride of Hiigara?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JmVjdYE7qY

[Mastermatta]

Originally posted by Rajive:

Bonus question : What happened to the Pride of Hiigara?

It was abandoned in the second to last mission of homeworld 2. It was also 100+ year old tech why would they continue using it even if they had it.

[RoReaver]

Possible guess here: What happened to the Sajuuk ties into Homeworld Mobile in some way. Those guys are, after all, marooned in a different galaxy, someone has to get them.

[RoReaver]

Also on the tech side: Honestly complacency and hubris can explain what happened to not lead to a technological revolution. HW3 is in the dying days of the Age of S'Jet, a golden age of peace, prosperity and utter Hiigaran domination. Why would they improve if there's no reason to? Granted that's on average basis, the Khar-Sajuuk has some weapons that might give pause to even the Sajuuk itself (the meson beam can ♥♥♥♥ with fusion reactors on a functional level and alignment of the trinity's, last I checked, requires a stable power supply as the Hyperspace cores, outside of fanon, don't have their own power supplies so they're utterly shagged if the power fluctuates enough).

[HeathenSW]

Originally posted by RoReaver:

Also on the tech side: Honestly complacency and hubris can explain what happened to not lead to a technological revolution. HW3 is in the dying days of the Age of S'Jet, a golden age of peace, prosperity and utter Hiigaran domination.

I highly doubt that after all they've been through they didn't make precautions. Kharak burning, Taiidani, Beast, Makaan... It'd take some generations to stop worrying, that's a fact, but before that people would do anything to be able to have a chance against a new menace that they didn't encounter. Plus Kiithid are not that against internal conflicts that would definitely sprung to life after some time of no external goal.

And that'd definitely lead to new weapons and design descisions. Here the guns remained basically the same. I'd got this kind of design more for instance, since it incorporates Sajuuk style build-in gun and looks like a general improvement of existing in HW2/HWM design:
https://www.reddit.com/r/homeworld/comments/1952ztr/hw_3_style_battlecruiser_finalized

I don't think that after the Eye of Aaran was opened they just suddenly stopped developing defences and it was all happiness and piece. It's said in HW3 that Hiigarans became dependant on Progenitor tech, but there's no example shown, with possible exception of Khar-Sajuuk main gun. I guess they've learned how to build huge boxes in space.

Any theory about Sajuuk sadly is just as plausible as "butterflies suddenly took it to the world of My Little Pony". We don't know and it's very weird that we don't.

[RoReaver]

Originally posted by HeathenSW:

I highly doubt that after all they've been through they didn't make precautions. Kharak burning, Taiidani, Beast, Makaan... It'd take some generations to stop worrying, that's a fact,

An argument from disbelief is not an argument brother. And I only need to point to the Taiidani Empire which had a similar issue for 4000 years because it was the dominant power in the galaxy during that stint (the council could tell them to STFU sure but only if the whole council agreed which was rare).
So no and the Burning of Kharak and Taiidani count as one thing, they didn't change overly much technologically between the Beast and the Makaan, in fact they even lost techs like the multi-beam frigate tech. So it bears out that they're not immune to the same decay that eventually claimed the Taiidani.
Also, the Taiidani were brutally tested beyond what the Kushan faced because the Ancient Hiigarans burned their homeworld to a cinder. Completely gone. Makaan and the Beast pale to that. And that happened because the Ancient Hiigarans got their hands on a Far Jumper which made them, in terms of opponents, exponentially more dangerous than the Taiidani were to the Kushan or the Beast (Makaan is arguable but the Wrath of Sajuuk was a combat vessel so you'd have a time arguing which was more dangerous, his flagship or the Wrath).

[HeathenSW]

Originally posted by RoReaver:

An argument from disbelief is not an argument brother.

An argument from belief is? It's in a category of transgenerational trauma, the conflicts that they've lived through. It's not that Hiigarans said "oh, we have hyperspace now, let's forget everything and enjoy living" - even people that came from war need time to change. Nations that came from war need time too in which tech will be developed from sheer inertia from war times.

For Taiidani I'm fine with stagnation. It's 4000 years of dominance, ~200 generations. At that point any trauma would be gone, just like we don't care now about some conquests/disasters of 4000 years ago.

For Hiigara it's what - 100-120? 5-6 generations? With pockets of Beast surfacing (we were not told that it was gone 100%, just that we know how to deal with it now), some banditry and raidering happening and stuff, since Kalan Raiders were present for instance and not dealt with to not be nuisance, plus everything being in a turmoil after Vaygr destroyed many political powers?

Now loosing tech from HW1/Cata is also weird stuff that I can't understand, since multi-beam frigates were amazing tech and noone would get rid of them, plus micro-ships and siege cannon for instance. Here there's no possible explaination at all.

So either there exist some rule for Hiigarans to delete about half of their tech each 100 years or I dunno. Since Beast Wars were 100 years prior to HW2 and HW2 was 120 years prior to HW3

[RoReaver]

Originally posted by HeathenSW:

For Taiidani I'm fine with stagnation. It's 4000 years of dominance, ~200 generations. At that point any trauma would be gone, just like we don't care now about some conquests/disasters of 4000 years ago.

Bro.. you're missing the obvious: The Taiidani are at the technological level , sans maybe some hyper advanced stuff, that HW2's Hiigarans are. And you can't erase the trauma of your actual homeworld being dusted, the Hiigarans are still very touchy about Kharak, their adopted homeworld with a much lower population, overall, than what the Taiidani capital world would've likely had at the pinnacle of their first empire, the level of trauma that would leave would breed a species level hatred that you can well see remained in the imperial remnant and even the republicans were allied with you by necessity, the scant interactions in Cataclysm with them don't have them riding to the rescue during the early stages of the Beast War when they were the first informed of the Imperalist meddling with the Beast, they stayed well within their borders and never really helped (they lended information, sure, but that spy, for example, would've warned the first bunch of republicans he ran into and let them know some crazy miners were doing a suicide run on that installation, where was the republican cavalry in a common interest?). And HW2's telling of things (that the Republicans fell to the vaygr in the background) speaks to a distance between the two species because no matter how good the Hiigarans are now, how noble or ignoble, they're the progeny of those who left your people without a home and murdered billions if not trillions of your kind in a mass genocide.

[『Insperatus』]

Originally posted by Mythos:

No idea. Instead of expanding the lore writers decided to focus on momma drama and the most cliché one dimensional villain in gaming history.

I was hoping all that would be answered in 3 same as you.

I agree with this sentiment. Instead of expanding the story we have so far, it went off the rails into cliche, unimaginative 3 page bedtime story. I waited 21years to watch a high school drama in terrible 3d animation that doesn't connect or world build on the current lore.

[RoReaver]

Originally posted by 『Insperatus』:

I agree with this sentiment. Instead of expanding the story we have so far, it went off the rails into cliche, unimaginative 3 page bedtime story. I waited 21years to watch a high school drama in terrible 3d animation that doesn't connect or world build on the current lore.

Delivery's ass in a lot of places but there's more than enough lore in those cutscenes if you actually look for it. It isn't hammered home like HW1 or provided in After Action Report like Cataclysm so you need to parse it out. The big giant ladies are saying things in their verbal sparring sessions regarding the world that does build it up as well.

[『Insperatus』]

Originally posted by Rajive:

At the end of HW 2 we get to use Sajuuk, a starship way more powerfull than anything else, even the Bentusi from HW1 and HW C/R.

In 120 years the Higaran had plenty of time to study the ship and it's technology yet it feels like they didn't advance a bit. In fact on some aspect the Higaran ships are less efficiant and powerfull than they were in HW2 (Bomber, battlecruiser and corvette were more advance then).

Also, why didn't Karan use Sajuuk when going in the anomaly, or Imogen after?
It is a very dangerous place and the mothership is not even close to Sajuuk power & structure.

Bonus question : What happened to the Pride of Hiigara?

Hiigaraans also had Field Frigate and Gravity well tech, what happened to those, why didn't those evolve?

I was also hoping there would be a twist where Karan became the antagonist for HW3 and DLC's to where she took the Pride of Hiigara with assimilated Sajuuk/progenitor tech. For being missing for so long she wouldve had time collecting progenitor tech in the outer rim to help advance current higaran tech as you progress into the story. I'd rather have something along that concept than this silly story we have.

[RoReaver]

Originally posted by 『Insperatus』:

Hiigaraans also had Field Frigate and Gravity well tech, what happened to those, why didn't those evolve?

I was also hoping there would be a twist where Karan became the antagonist for HW3 and DLC's to where she took the Pride of Hiigara with assimilated Sajuuk/progenitor tech. For being missing for so long she wouldve had time collecting progenitor tech in the outer rim to help advance current higaran tech as you progress into the story. I'd rather have something along that concept than this silly story we have.

Regrettably your idea hinges on sufficient returns and a sufficiently stable community to warrant what amounts to a Homeworld Mass Effect trilogy in all but name (as I can well see that arc taking more than one expansion sized DLC as you'd need some sort of preamble to explain the turn from messiah to monster and then 1-2 more to go through the action). And while silly, at least this story was something new. They went off to do their own thing, some fans liked it, some loved it, some didn't, some even hate it, is what it is, at least it didn't put more holes in the canon large enough to jump a fleet through.

[Oobaneko]

Sajuuk is part of network, because it's key and three hyperspace cores gives energy to it via main cannon.