capital ships dps

[beeza38]

destroyer ships and battleship dps terrible ?

[Mythos]

Yup, not great. Lead designer wanted the game to be "frigate" focused in a interview somewhere without any reasoning.

[OKOK]

I have two battleship sit beside 1 enemy for god know how long.
Don't even see battleship fire a single shot.
Junk! And ps fire that designer

[Oobaneko]

Originally posted by OKOK:

I have two battleship sit beside 1 enemy for god know how long.
Don't even see battleship fire a single shot.
Junk! And ps fire that designer

Dayum, no wonder game got such negative score.
At HW2 I seen it shooting three different targets.

[SgtRicko]

Use the Targeting Support ability on Battlecruisers, keep it in a pack of frigates, and watch it tear through hordes with ease. Sure, the Battlecruiser loses it’s ability to fire any weapons, but it’s compensating by buffing the DPS of all the other ships, including other Battlecruisers.

[Flushing]

Originally posted by beeza38:

destroyer ships and battleship dps terrible ?

Incarnate Battlecruiser is absolutely insane in all ways.

That being said, destroyers and cruisers have good dps, but they are most strategically useful as tanks.

Frigates go down extraordinarily fast but destroyers and cruisers have a sustained presence. Good to have them and torpedo frigates at extreme range.

[菜鸡]

actually it‘s ok on dps，but terrible ai destroy everything

[Ezarkal]

Originally posted by Mythos:

Yup, not great. Lead designer wanted the game to be "frigate" focused in a interview somewhere without any reasoning.

I've been with this franchise from the start, so I'll just put my two cents on that.

-HW1 (not the remastered, then original version) was very frigate-focused. They were the backbone of your fleet, the main source of damage and the main damage absorption, too. Destroyers were a nice bonus, but a destroyer was nothing that would beat having 5 extra frigates. Cruisers were ultimately too slow to achieve much, but once in place they did what they were supposed to, which was distract the frigates while tanking their DPS.

-HW2 was very capital-ship focussed. Frigates became cannon fodder as soon as destroyers came into play. Destroyers were a quick meal for battlecruisers. (The balancing part was the BC's vulnerability to bombers.) But there has been quite a few comments on the fact that frigates became a bit useless compared to capital ships unless they moved in packs of 15.
So yeah, I can see why they wanted to refocus a bit on frigates, and I'm personally happy to see this.

I'd still like the HW3's hiigaran battlecruiser to be able to achieve a few kills on his own, though. I guess a few more patches will be needed.

[Flushing]

Originally posted by Ezarkal:

Originally posted by Mythos:

Yup, not great. Lead designer wanted the game to be "frigate" focused in a interview somewhere without any reasoning.

I've been with this franchise from the start, so I'll just put my two cents on that.

-HW1 (not the remastered, then original version) was very frigate-focused. They were the backbone of your fleet, the main source of damage and the main damage absorption, too. Destroyers were a nice bonus, but a destroyer was nothing that would beat having 5 extra frigates. Cruisers were ultimately too slow to achieve much, but once in place they did what they were supposed to, which was distract the frigates while tanking their DPS.

-HW2 was very capital-ship focussed. Frigates became cannon fodder as soon as destroyers came into play. Destroyers were a quick meal for battlecruisers. (The balancing part was the BC's vulnerability to bombers.) But there has been quite a few comments on the fact that frigates became a bit useless compared to capital ships unless they moved in packs of 15.
So yeah, I can see why they wanted to refocus a bit on frigates, and I'm personally happy to see this.

I'd still like the HW3's hiigaran battlecruiser to be able to achieve a few kills on his own, though. I guess a few more patches will be needed.

I agree with you. Homeworld 3 is definitely trying to deliver a similar gameplay experience to Homeworld 1. There the frigate class was the most important.

Homeworld 2 was all over the place.

Try incarnate, I think their cruiser delivers what you are looking for.

[Limz]

Battlecruiser for Hiigarans is just there for the buff. Sit and buff.

Also, a great way to fast repair since you can dock and rejoin the fight immediately.

Destroyers are fine for Hiigarans, they can fight anything but suppression frigates and trade. Use their barrage upgrade.

[Limz]

Originally posted by Ezarkal:

-HW1 (not the remastered, then original version) was very frigate-focused. They were the backbone of your fleet, the main source of damage and the main damage absorption, too. Destroyers were a nice bonus, but a destroyer was nothing that would beat having 5 extra frigates. Cruisers were ultimately too slow to achieve much, but once in place they did what they were supposed to, which was distract the frigates while tanking their DPS.

Four destroyers can take on their equivalent cost in frigates and trade decently unless we're talking about Suppression Frigates in which case destroyers will lose. Destroyers can pretty much take on way more ions assuming micro vs no micro too.

[Kill'o'gor]

Originally posted by Ezarkal:

Originally posted by Mythos:

Yup, not great. Lead designer wanted the game to be "frigate" focused in a interview somewhere without any reasoning.

I've been with this franchise from the start, so I'll just put my two cents on that.

-HW1 (not the remastered, then original version) was very frigate-focused. They were the backbone of your fleet, the main source of damage and the main damage absorption, too. Destroyers were a nice bonus, but a destroyer was nothing that would beat having 5 extra frigates. Cruisers were ultimately too slow to achieve much, but once in place they did what they were supposed to, which was distract the frigates while tanking their DPS.

-HW2 was very capital-ship focussed. Frigates became cannon fodder as soon as destroyers came into play. Destroyers were a quick meal for battlecruisers. (The balancing part was the BC's vulnerability to bombers.) But there has been quite a few comments on the fact that frigates became a bit useless compared to capital ships unless they moved in packs of 15.
So yeah, I can see why they wanted to refocus a bit on frigates, and I'm personally happy to see this.

I'd still like the HW3's hiigaran battlecruiser to be able to achieve a few kills on his own, though. I guess a few more patches will be needed.

wait, just wait: a pair of BC with a support of 4-6 repair frigate plus the cover of multicannon corvettes was all you need in a battle in HW1.

[Overread]

Frigate class focus is good because it sits in the rough middle of the classes. In theory that means each class remains viable and it means that rushing to the end of the tech tree doesn't make you all powerful.

That said in the feedback section the concept of "squirrelly" has been discussed when it comes to movement and target selection; and it seems that a good many elements of the tracking and target selection have an issue with them. Capital ships are big so its really easy to see them struggling to target even big static ships and fire in an effective manner - but smaller ships are doing the same thing so its some quirk with the targeting and movement logic the game is using.

It should be fixable - the earlier HW games were fine and it might just be a quirk or glitch that's causing it.


But yeah right now that's a greater issue than the relative power of ship classes in the game.

[=X-men=]

I don't see a frigate focused balance, it's more like an unrealistic ship's class balance bigger ships mean better armor, more advanced self-defence and attack weapon available, frigate is unbalanced too, if you get rushed by spam of ships in war game mode, you will lose and frigate doesn't help you they too low hp, don't have the armor to survive and dps low.
Looks like because bots get some bonuses you not get them.
Battleships must be a main force to destroy frigates with 2-4 hits, frigate need to be able destroy a destroyer, battleships in group equal 5x and10x, but what we see 1 destroyer fall to 2-3 ion frigates to fast, destroyers unbalanced they have to be capable destroy 2-5 frigates at ease.
This game is more bomber interceptor focused, this need to be as was in hw2 balance or hw1 thy look more realistic, and battlecruiser needs some beam array weapon from dreadnought, this is more expected to see. Mothership hp need to be 800k-1000k, battlecruiser 250k-500k, destroyers 80k, -150k frigates 10-20k, corvettes 4k-8k, fighters 1k-2k hull.
Artifact system makes a game even more unrealistic, and ruin a balance even more.

[Overread]

Wargames is more fighter focused because you can build more of them and load them up with boons; but that's its intention and its different to skirmish gameplay and balance

[Mastermatta]

Originally posted by =X-men=:

I don't see a frigate focused balance, it's more like an unrealistic ship's class balance bigger ships mean better armor, more advanced self-defence and attack weapon available, frigate is unbalanced too, if you get rushed by spam of ships in war game mode, you will lose and frigate doesn't help you they too low hp, don't have the armor to survive and dps low.
Looks like because bots get some bonuses you not get them.
Battleships must be a main force to destroy frigates with 2-4 hits, frigate need to be able destroy a destroyer, battleships in group equal 5x and10x, but what we see 1 destroyer fall to 2-3 ion frigates to fast, destroyers unbalanced they have to be capable destroy 2-5 frigates at ease.
This game is more bomber interceptor focused, this need to be as was in hw2 balance or hw1 thy look more realistic, and battlecruiser needs some beam array weapon from dreadnought, this is more expected to see. Mothership hp need to be 800k-1000k, battlecruiser 250k-500k, destroyers 80k, -150k frigates 10-20k, corvettes 4k-8k, fighters 1k-2k hull.
Artifact system makes a game even more unrealistic, and ruin a balance even more.

Sorry but this doesnt make any sense. The battlecruiser costs less than 2 destroyers. It should not have have 3x-6x destoryer health. Destroyer costs less than 3 frigrates but you want it to have 4x-8x the health? You just want to balance in favor of large capital ships.