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So you're saying that the story is the same just a different delivery?
Agree entirely. Homeworld 2 was memorable, Homeworld 3 just... isn't. Ironically, I would rank the Homeworld games literally in their release order. For me:
Homeworld 1 > Homeworld Cataclysm > Homeworld 2 > Deserts of Kharak >>> Homeworld 3
Because the game isn't a failure, yet.
u know that is not true. Numbers didnt lie
Homeworld Cataclysm > Homeworld 1 > Homeworld 3 >> Homeworld 2 >>>>>> Homeworld DoK
Homeworld 1 retroactively drops a place due to DoK's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with its story, Homeworld 2 is worse for the canon, again due to retcons to HW1 to squeeze in a Jesus story and God ship, Homeworld 3 while fairly bad in execution has no retcons to previous games and have good ideas that were more poorly executed that HW 2 ( I'd rank 2 much higher if it didn't botch the canon of 1 with the Far Jumper and leave us with a very hard to follow-up on story in 3 because how do you account for your faction now having an "I win" button except through contrivances like you see in 3, Sajuuk MIA completely, Karan somehow MIA too, and really limited the possibilities of 3's potential stories to having to deal with that entire plot resolution from 2 to not lock in the storyline options to being S'Jet/hiigaran centric in perpetuity. Could 3's story have been much better done? absolutely, does it leave us room now to have grossly better stories than it in the canon? yes, unlike 2, which is why it goes higher for me).
It's only ever a failure when they stop working to fix it. Numbers have, in exceptions, lied a lot in the past.
It's kinda the same as with people do believe in Jesus, but I doubt many believe he can shoot lazorz from his eyes, move planets around with the flick of the finger and was in cahoots with aliens from outer space. First one is "eh, okay" to most, but second is "yeah, that cannot be true, sounds stupid".
Makaan believed that he will find god. Tiama knows that she is god. Different kinds of crazy people, again - if someone says that he's reborn Napoleon and at least tries to hide himself from medical workers its different from someone believing that he's Napoleon as is and actively trying to conquer the world. First one makes you at least feel pity, second is batsh1t insane and dangerous.
If we make it very simple - all of the story in all of Homeworlds is the same, really. Race of people, cataclysm, hard journey, overcoming all the odds, winning.
Also HW1 does have an instance of VR room (when the Emperor attacked Karan prior to the last mission)
Suspension of disbelief varies by individual.
Not quite, Makaan wanted to be the chosen one of Sajuuk (one of their gods) while Tiaa'ma, if I recall right, likens navigators to gods.
That's too broad of description. HW1, 2 and DoK are exodus versions with 2 having a Jesus figure and DoK technically having a Moises figure in Rachel. HW:C is basically "right we got home, now how do we survive?"
No, the Bentusi referred to Karan as Unbound. Expressly in Cataclysm and I believe in other games. Anyone who is plugged in is Unbound.
It's simply that All Bentusi are plugged in.
Just shows how much opinions can vary... lol.
nice copium you have, putting HW 3 above 2 and DoK is funny
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3269349072
Maybe they are just referring to Karan as Unbound here, since grammar (like "we welcome you, an Unbound, among space-faring cultures" and not "we welcome you among space-faring cultures also collectively known as Unbound"), but I'm not sure anymore.
Gotcha. In Cataclysm, now pseudo cannon, when Somtaw prevent some Bentusi from leaving the galaxy they refer to the Somtaw expressly as Bound and Karan as unbound and both factions go back and force for about 3 sentences on the topic.
Retrospectively it could be one of the many reasons why the Bentusi had more sympathy for the Kushan in HW1. Probably felt more of a Kinship because of Karan.
The counterpoint is that Karan unplugs herself and plugs herself; whereas, the Bentusi are permanently fixed and seemed biologically evolved to it. So, it doesn't seem like it should refer to anyone who is plugged in on a transient basis
Are you actually calling people stupid/dishonest for disagreeing with your rankings?
Man, those words were so prophetic
shall i remind you that those "who were around" know the HW:SB was first announced in late 2012-early 2013? you yourself admitted GB got the license in late 2012
Again weren't you around back then? THQ got the IP license in 2007 and again you just proved my point BBI, tried to pitch the game to THQ, but by the time they had something in a working condition THQ was already shutting down, HW:SB didnt had an open to public testing phase till 2013 (THQ was already gone and GB already had the HW IP), BTW internal alpha testing took place somewhere around 2011
the HW1 manual never stated khar toba was the only ship and DOK states they have several "anomalies" to investigate but the main one was the not yet discovered khar toba (primary anomaly) due to the energy readings it had. The discovery of the anomalies being start ships is made during DOK campaign
Those who played DOK know it was no plasma bomb as it is clearly stated to be some kind of beam, but not an ion cannon beam cause it explodes on impact (Ion Cannon beams don't do that and last way longer). perhaps some kind of giant pulsar beam? (which are a variation of ion cannon tech BTW) but who says kushans didnt have the tech? they did, as stated in the HW! manual page 14....
What the bentusi gave the kushans wasn't ion cannon tech, kushans already had that (can you guess how they got it?) , what the bentusi gave to kushans was the tech to build ships large enough to host and power such weapons
in game lore states that this carrier crashed almost 1 thousand years before the events of DOK and according to the HW1 manual that was 800 years before the kushan even rediscovered gunpowder (or as the HW1 manual states, chemical explosives), pretty much the event was just shunned by the taiidan as an accident, not the doing of a 3 thousand year old enemy who got reset to the stone age in a very far away border system,
also HW 1 stated that hirgaran surrender treaty forbid them from developing/using again HS technology (hence the destruction of kharak in HW1 shortly after the first hyper space jump) all the other HS activity was from other ships who got sucked by a "gravitational anomaly" as far as the Taiidan knew. Sure they could have suspected it was the doing of a HS core but everyone "who was around know back then" knows the kushan got to kharak by using conventional drives in generational ships as they were hiding the core to convince the Taiidan they did not had such tech with them.
On top of that the gravitational anomaly caused by the core could have helped to mask the presence of the core and the kushans in kharak even preventing the Taiidan carrier that fell into kharak from reporting its findings/actions, which means the Taiidan may have never knew what happen to their carrier nor that the kushans were there, until the HS core was triggered in HW1 (remember that in HW1 is stated the fleet that destroyed kharak was not specifically sent there from the heart of the empire, nor it was monitoring Kharak, it was just a FRONTIER fleet that happen to be patrolling nearby)
DOK never states how many ships are buried in the sand, nor their size/tonnage, neither HW1 state how many materials were needed, just that it was way more than what they could get form the surface of kharak, so whats your point?
several centuries, 1000 years? those who were there when HW1 launched know it was 4 thousand years and again those who have played DOK know the core had a power reactor of its own. for an unknown reason it shuttled down once (at least one thousand years ago) forcing the khar toba residents to venture into the deserts of kharak and then reignited on its own (again, due to an unknown reason) causing a power surge reading higher than the signature of Kharak's sun, making the kushan noticing the kar toba location on the desert)
...for someone who claims to have been there for so long you have a lot of gaps in your knowledge of the game lore or you are just conveniently ignore that contradict your arguments (text definition of intellectual dishonesty)
hold on, who mentioned any race? any gender? female power? male looking women? only you
are you accusing me or anyone else who disagree with the HW3 plot and narrative direction to be a "whatever-you-think-phobic"?.... why don't you cut the chase and Call the Godwin's law at once?.... all you are managing here is to look like some kind of shill trying to pull up strawman and ad-hominem fallacies to appease Slaanesh
like it or not the HW3 plot and SP campaing is a pile of burning garbage, and anyone who saw the announcement trailers and promotional documentaries can tell the plot and the artistic style of HW was massacred just to tick the DEI hedge fund check boxes and that this decision along with betting on the GAAS model killed the franchise for ever