Season Pass : Undeliverable?

[Disorganic]

BBI/GX have this roadmap for deployment, but looking at concurrent player count and review score, If I were in the finance departments for either company I wouldnt be paying a single dev to deliver on this. Why push new content for a game mode nobody plays into a hostile review environment? doesnt make any financial sense.

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Ursprungligen skrivet av RoReaver:

Think it was Psy in one of the latest threads. And I don't lie either.

See, you have been antagonistic this entire forum so everything you say has to be seriously questioned.

So when you say the TINNIEST kernel of truth I will not know, because you have an unsavioury reputation as such.

I vouch for RoReaver. He's reacting to bad faith posts.

That doesn't mean you.

There is just a ton of misinformation circulating here. The reality of HW3 is that it is a solid RTS judged from Skirmish and Wargames.

is it worth the original sticker price? No, and that's because it doesn't have $59.99 worth of content. That being said, if we had a rubric with objective metrics, Homeworld 3 comes very close to capturing the Homeworld 1 experience, but in 2024.

HW3 is a shift from HW2 back to HW1.

If you thought HW2 or HW Remastered was the peek Homeworld experience, than HW3 might not be for you.

But, I have played all the titles contemporaneously during the HW3 release and would rank them as follows:

1. Homeworld 1 and Cataclysm (tied for first).
2. Homeworld 3.
3. Homeworld Remastered.
4. Homeworld 2.
5. Deserts of Kharak.

I won't reiterate why I think Homeworld 2 is one of the weakest titles in the series, but I think Homeworld fans are missing out on Homeworld 3, and if the game was supported we would be getting the best content drops in the series.

As is, we will never see a Homeworld 4.

All that aside, some posteres draw parallels between HW3 and DoW3, and I think those are valid because DoW3 is a solid RTS that was review bombed because Gabriel Angelos does backflips. Consequantly, we never saw or DoW4 or had much needed new faction drops.

I'm a big DoW fan and still play DoW1 through DoW2, but I never played DoW3 until recently because I bought into the negative hype. That's very unfortunate because DoW3 is one of the best RTS games that I have played in 2024 but Relic stopped supporting it after 10 months because of the negative feedback.

I urge you to watch this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih1gzltSecA

The one to one parallels between HW3 and DoW3 but not because of the negative hype that destroyed DoW3.

Unfortunately, Relic took risks and missed the mark by inches with DoW3 and instead of giving them a chance to react to player feedback, the so-called "W40k fanbase" destroyed the DoW future.

[RoReaver]

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I respect quite a few people but most of them don't frequent this forum as currently those you more readily agree with have turned it into a cesspit-grade echo chamber.
Anything else?

Don't get comfortable just yet.

I've yet to see anything worth sweating over from that group. Good luck if you wanna be part of it, it tends to eat its own.

[Zytel]

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Sorry, I have to cut this short.

I'm sorry, but this means nothing to me. I am not interested in e-sports of any kind, I may watch some people play and that is the extent of that.

And it is just goes to show that whenever I need to take Reaver on his word I need to go ask someone else.

This is not good.

[RoReaver]

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Sorry, I have to cut this short.

I'm sorry, but this means nothing to me.

Is all that's actually worthwhile in your post because, again, you confuse yourself with any great number of people. Even if we take steam's review score at face value lowest estimate for purchases would place it around 30-40k peeps running around who like the game, highest estimate at twice that. And that's if the steam review score is accurate which it isn't from the get go because it only counts steam purchased copy reviews.

[Zytel]

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I'm sorry, but this means nothing to me.

Is all that's actually worthwhile in your post because, again, you confuse yourself with any great number of people. Even if we take steam's review score at face value lowest estimate for purchases would place it around 30-40k peeps running around who like the game, highest estimate at twice that. And that's if the steam review score is accurate which it isn't from the get go because it only counts steam purchased copy reviews.

And this is why I can't trust you.

You keep dancing around the topic, avoiding to answer the questions, mudding the issue, just putting crap out there that no one asked and makes me not give a damn about anything you wrote.

Some people answer a press conference this way and you can't get anything concrete out of them.

[RoReaver]

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Is all that's actually worthwhile in your post because, again, you confuse yourself with any great number of people. Even if we take steam's review score at face value lowest estimate for purchases would place it around 30-40k peeps running around who like the game, highest estimate at twice that. And that's if the steam review score is accurate which it isn't from the get go because it only counts steam purchased copy reviews.

And this is why I can't trust you.

You keep dancing around the topic, avoiding to answer the questions, mudding the issue, just putting crap out there that no one asked and makes me not give a damn about anything you wrote.

Some people answer a press conference this way and you can't get anything concrete out of them.

Those people are politicians just FYI not journalists.

[Zytel]

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And this is why I can't trust you.

You keep dancing around the topic, avoiding to answer the questions, mudding the issue, just putting crap out there that no one asked and makes me not give a damn about anything you wrote.

Some people answer a press conference this way and you can't get anything concrete out of them.

Those people are politicians just FYI not journalists.

Because you interview a politician, not a journalist.

Where did I say otherwise?

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Sorry, I have to cut this short.

I'm sorry, but this means nothing to me. I am not interested in e-sports of any kind, I may watch some people play and that is the extent of that.

And it is just goes to show that whenever I need to take Reaver on his word I need to go ask someone else.

This is not good.

Is this my quote? This is attributed to me, but I don't think I ever said this.

[Zytel]

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I'm sorry, but this means nothing to me. I am not interested in e-sports of any kind, I may watch some people play and that is the extent of that.

And it is just goes to show that whenever I need to take Reaver on his word I need to go ask someone else.

This is not good.

Is this my quote? This is attributed to me, but I don't think I ever said this.

Do you know how loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong quotes can sometimes be just, well how do I put this, unneceseraly long?

That's why I wrote it like that.

It wasn't meant to use Reavers tactics against you.

[RoReaver]

"Tactics"

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Ursprungligen skrivet av Zytel:

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Is this my quote? This is attributed to me, but I don't think I ever said this.

Do you know how loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong quotes can sometimes be just, well how do I put this, unneceseraly long?

That's why I wrote it like that.

It wasn't meant to use Reavers tactics against you.

Got it. I understand. As to the Dawn of War 3 point, I only started playing recently and never played the mode that you reference. Relic added an annihilation mode based on player feedback, so I was never part of the resentment following their experimental mode.

I think most players dimiss the game based on what they heard at release but don't realize that it was fixed to their feedback.

There are other issues for sure but an esports/moba mode isn't one of them.

That mode didn't connect with the player base at release but regular skirmish mode followed.

Many posters, including myself, never knew that and just dismiss the title based on grievances at release, which are no longer valid.

[Zytel]

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Got it. I understand. As to the Dawn of War 3 point, I only started playing recently and never played the mode that you reference. Relic added an annihilation mode based on player feedback, so I was never part of the resentment following their experimental mode.

I think most players dimiss the game based on what they heard at release but don't realize that it was fixed to their feedback.

There are other issues for sure but an esports/moba mode isn't one of them.

That mode didn't connect with the player base at release but regular skirmish mode followed.

Many posters, including myself, never knew that and just dismiss the title based on grievances at release, which are no longer valid.

I don't know about Dawn of War 3 and I honestly care more about DOW1 games since they are more RTS.

So I honestly just want the truth since I don't know entirely the topic of Honeworld 3.

And here I am, being treated like a dog for daring to question anything.

It is as if I was told for not being a Command & Conquer fan for disliking C&C4.

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Got it. I understand. As to the Dawn of War 3 point, I only started playing recently and never played the mode that you reference. Relic added an annihilation mode based on player feedback, so I was never part of the resentment following their experimental mode.

I think most players dimiss the game based on what they heard at release but don't realize that it was fixed to their feedback.

There are other issues for sure but an esports/moba mode isn't one of them.

That mode didn't connect with the player base at release but regular skirmish mode followed.

Many posters, including myself, never knew that and just dismiss the title based on grievances at release, which are no longer valid.

I don't know about Dawn of War 3 and I honestly care more about DOW1 games since they are more RTS.

So I honestly just want the truth since I don't know entirely the topic of Honeworld 3.

And here I am, being treated like a dog for daring to question anything.

It is as if I was told for not being a Command & Conquer fan for disliking C&C4.

Back to Dawn of War 3, the thing it was most similar to DoW1 and has the same base building. It actually comes closer to traditional RTS (Kinda DoW1 plus Warcraft 3) than its predecessors.

Whereas, DoW2 had very limited building.

We have been trying to get you factual information.

Yes, everyone dislikes C&C4, compared to it's predecessors, because it's simply not a C&C game.

In this forum, the issue is that we have so many baseless accusations from people who never played the game.

Yes. The narrative is weak, and if you have issues with DEI than you can go down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories.

That being said, the gameplay remarks, from non-owners, that there are no ballistics or directional damage are entirely false.

The gameplay is a solid Homeworld experience that compares directly to Homeworld 1.

Again, it just moved away from Homeworld 2 gameplay mechanics, and treated it as if it never existed (not the narrative, the gameplay), but returned to Homeworld 1.

[Zytel]

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Back to Dawn of War 3, the thing is it came back to DoW1 and has the same base building. It actually comes closer to traditional RTS. (Kinda DoW1 plus Warcraft 3).

Whereas, DoW2 had very limited building.

We're trying to get yo factual information.

Yes, everyone dislikes C&C4, compared to it's predecessors, because it's simply not a C&C game.

In this forum, the issue is that we have so many baseless accusations from people who never played the game.

Yes. The narrative is weak, but the gameplay remarks that there are no ballistics or directional damage are entirely false.

The game is a solid, Homeworld experience that compares directly to Homeworld 1.

Again, it just moved away from Homeworld 2 gameplay mechanics, and treated it as if it never existed (not the narrative, the gameplay), but returned to Homeworld 1.

And what about the Steam review? What about the people who have payed money for it? Are their opinions wrong? Are they to be filtered? Do the publishers don't care because by the time people bought the game it is no longer publishers problem?

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Back to Dawn of War 3, the thing is it came back to DoW1 and has the same base building. It actually comes closer to traditional RTS. (Kinda DoW1 plus Warcraft 3).

Whereas, DoW2 had very limited building.

We're trying to get yo factual information.

Yes, everyone dislikes C&C4, compared to it's predecessors, because it's simply not a C&C game.

In this forum, the issue is that we have so many baseless accusations from people who never played the game.

Yes. The narrative is weak, but the gameplay remarks that there are no ballistics or directional damage are entirely false.

The game is a solid, Homeworld experience that compares directly to Homeworld 1.

Again, it just moved away from Homeworld 2 gameplay mechanics, and treated it as if it never existed (not the narrative, the gameplay), but returned to Homeworld 1.

And what about the Steam review? What about the people who have payed money for it? Are their opinions wrong? Are they to be filtered? Do the publishers don't care because by the time people bought the game it is no longer publishers problem?

I go by PC-Gamer and IGN because they have rubrics for grading every game in each genre.

Some steam consumers may, most don't.

Acclaimed critics compare HW3 against all other RTS games that they've reviewed with an eye to the genre as a whole. They ask, how the game stacks up against all other games in the genre, and its predecessors if part of a series.

Steam consumers don't have any general or basic metrics, instead, these days they act like they're going through a divorce with the publisher when they don't like a game and that's how their posts read.