Is it really that bad?

[AwesomeWolfgang]

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[LadyVodka]

Have you played the Demo?
There wont be Homeworld 4 for sure after this.

[Marauder]

That depends, it's objectively not great or even good. The real kicker for many is, they came for a Homeworld game. But this isn't. This might be a mediocre action RTS, but slapping the Homeworld label on it created certain expectations and relations which simply don't exist.

This isn't really an "open space 3d map" kind of game. It's a fast paced action RTS with very little substance where you could switch out the sprites for tanks and infantry, the background for a rocky planet with tunnels, and you'd have the exact same game.

Add too high a price, denuvo, a horrible EULA, and some other issues and a mediocre game is getting lambasted.

[Vault Traveler]

As a game? No its quite decent.

As Homeworld? Its a shadow of itself.

[Marauder]

Originally posted by LadyVodka:

Have you played the Demo?
There wont be Homeworld 4 for sure after this.

If this has been a non HW game. It would've simply been forgettable and nobody would've much cared about it. It does nothing original, it's pretty mediocre, and just kinda exists.

[Wintermist]

I haven't bought it yet, but I will later no matter the reviews, if it's got a Homeworld title I atleast have to play it.

I'm wondering though, what is it that's wrong with it? Story? Gameplay?

[Illusia]

Originally posted by Wintermist:

I haven't bought it yet, but I will later no matter the reviews, if it's got a Homeworld title I atleast have to play it.

I'm wondering though, what is it that's wrong with it? Story? Gameplay?

Judging by most of the other discussion posts, its the story. The gameplay has been apparently also simplified down a bit too much. Something about skirmish AI being broken (pretty standard for new release for something to be broken though)
I haven't played other homeworld games, but while the story is definitely not great, i think the moment to moment gameplay is fine, if definitely a bit standard if you've played a lot of other space rts games. I think it does its job well enough and if skirmish and Wargames comes around to being properly fun even with the mechanics in their current state of simplification to previous homeworld games I think it'l turn out okay.

[Overread]

Originally posted by Wintermist:

I haven't bought it yet, but I will later no matter the reviews, if it's got a Homeworld title I atleast have to play it.

I'm wondering though, what is it that's wrong with it? Story? Gameplay?

Some of it is the normal "this new game isn't the previous game with a graphics update" which is normal and happens if anything changes; and you get the flipside where if nothing changes people go "why am I paying for a graphics update and no gameplay changes".

Another is the reduction of the subsystem element from specific zones of larger ships to single healthbars, but with varied armour levels (larger ships have more on the rear than the front but you can't specifically just target the rear of the ship you have to use movement to attack from the rear so that is acutally more tactical than before)

Then there's the fact that the game is faster game with a more complex map design. Homeworld 1 and 2 were honestly slow by even standard RTS metrics and the maps were pretty big.
HW3 maps are smaller, tighter and you get into fights much more readily and everything moves faster. Resource points are harvested quicker forcing you to move on fast. everything is kicked up a gear and some really don't like that.





Personally this version feels a LOT better than the Demo. There has been no overhaul, but a lot of subtle changes that make it feel far better. There's still a few ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ here and there that I feel should/could be fixed and improved upon.

I'd also love to see more skirmish maps and perhaps an expansion of the skirmish system to be more involved.


There's also been a reduction in ship variety within the two standard faction fleets. Mostly in terms of specialist ships. It's not that fleets feel like they are missing tricks but that there aren't a few "fun" things in there to increase fleet variety. In some ways osme of the complaints are simply that the game is almost too optimised a combat game

[Overread]

Originally posted by Illusia:

Originally posted by Wintermist:

I haven't bought it yet, but I will later no matter the reviews, if it's got a Homeworld title I atleast have to play it.

I'm wondering though, what is it that's wrong with it? Story? Gameplay?

Judging by most of the other discussion posts, its the story. The gameplay has been apparently also simplified down a bit too much. Something about skirmish AI being broken (pretty standard for new release for something to be broken though)
I haven't played other homeworld games, but while the story is definitely not great, i think the moment to moment gameplay is fine, if definitely a bit standard if you've played a lot of other space rts games. I think it does its job well enough and if skirmish and Wargames comes around to being properly fun even with the mechanics in their current state of simplification to previous homeworld games I think it'l turn out okay.

Honetsly so far the skirmish AI feels pretty good to me. It might be a bit broken on resources it gets and its spending rate being a little high; but its doing a decent job. I think if maps were a little bigger and the starting points spread out a bit more that might help some.

[Wintermist]

Thanks for the answers, I see. And I guess I can agree with the subsystem thing then, I like to be able to customize the ships a bit. Guess they simply made it... simpler in terms of that and ship classes then.

I want it more advanced, like the good ole Complex mod did. I suppose they will get to work on this title too and then I guess that solves it for me atleast :D

[Utwig_Chenjesu]

Originally posted by Wintermist:

I haven't bought it yet, but I will later no matter the reviews, if it's got a Homeworld title I atleast have to play it.

I'm wondering though, what is it that's wrong with it? Story? Gameplay?

I feel for you man, I really do. If you are a fan of the Alien franchise, then your going to feel like you did when Alien 3 came out when you play it. Its Kinda alright as a game, but dumbed down to the level of a mobile game compared to HW1 or 2. As the 3rd instalment in an epic story, it just fails and you may feel like you've been conned out of 50 quid, like me.

[Mastermatta]

The gameplay is good the story is cringe. Some grumpy old fans have the reflexs of a sloth so they cant handle the pace of the game being about 40% faster.

[Swaggaccino]

Don't listen to the haters. The game is a lot of fun. People are calling it short, it has 2 less missions than Homeworld 2. Seriously that's short? It also has a few less ships because controllers can actually do multiple tasks like collect and objectives now whereas support frigates heal. It's more organized and less cluttered. Some of the missions are legit 1:1 copies of previous games like navigating the asteroid field or the first encounter with the pirates. I'm half way done with the game and I adore it. Graphics, sound and controls/camera is WAY better than the remasters which no one mentions and that's probably because they haven't even played the game. Furthermore your strikefighters can actually take cover now and formations actually mean something and tell you what they do. Story is ehhh but I never really cared for the first two games either - It's got throwbacks to BSG, Star Wars, Gate, Dune, clone. Give it a shot.

[Robmo]

I'm loving it, idk what else to say

[Quilnux]

If you never played any HW game from the past you probably won't notice any problems with the story, so you will probably have no trouble enjoying it. If you have played the previous HW games and you played them for what us old-players call, 'the right reasons' (meaning you played it for the story) then you will likely hate it. But it's subjective. So only you can decide if it's 'that bad' or not.

[Mastermatta]

Originally posted by Utwig_Chenjesu:

Originally posted by Wintermist:

I haven't bought it yet, but I will later no matter the reviews, if it's got a Homeworld title I atleast have to play it.

I'm wondering though, what is it that's wrong with it? Story? Gameplay?

I feel for you man, I really do. If you are a fan of the Alien franchise, then your going to feel like you did when Alien 3 came out when you play it. Its Kinda alright as a game, but dumbed down to the level of a mobile game compared to HW1 or 2. As the 3rd instalment in an epic story, it just fails and you may feel like you've been conned out of 50 quid, like me.

It only dumbed down in one aspects and thats subsytems. Directional armor is still present formations have comeback from hw1. The number of ship types is on par with homeworld 2 (though less utility objects), and terrain adds adiditional complexity.