Why does HW3 think that S'Jet's did anything particularly special?

[ThatZenoGuy]

The game treats the 'unbound' supercomputer of the mothership as if she's actually important, when all she does is relay commands back and forth.

She should hardly be a character, like S'Jet in HW1.

[Zamza]

I agree, HW:Catalysm/Emergence taught us Homeworld doesn't have to be about S'jet to be a Homeworld game. But then, HW 2 and Deserts of Kharak made it about S'jet or her family so now the series is about S'jet.

[ThatZenoGuy]

Originally posted by Zamza:

I agree, HW:Catalysm/Emergence taught us Homeworld doesn't have to be about S'jet to be a Homeworld game. But then, HW 2 and Deserts of Kharak made it about S'jet or her family so now the series is about S'jet.

I mean even HW1 was barely about S'Jet, all she did was let the actual military/research leaders do their job. She had a few lines but only to remind us she's actually still alive and human.

[HeathenSW]

Story of HW3 is like watching your PC motherboard talking back and forth with your CPU, cry about loosing every single byte of memory that's erased and rewritten constantly and searching for a cause that makes your power supply fluctuate. Real weird.

[rustybroomhandle]

Y'all are confused as a bunch of soggy biscuits.

Karan S'Jet was Fleet Command, ie the one issuing all the orders, ie YOU the player. So if you think Karan S'Jet did not do anything of importance, then by extension you are saying you did not think you the player did anything important. Good job easy-modeing Homeworld then, I guess.

[ThatZenoGuy]

Originally posted by rustybroomhandle:

Y'all are confused as a bunch of soggy biscuits.

Karan S'Jet was Fleet Command, ie the one issuing all the orders, ie YOU the player. So if you think Karan S'Jet did not do anything of importance, then by extension you are saying you did not think you the player did anything important. Good job easy-modeing Homeworld then, I guess.

No? Sjet was merely the relay system. Fleet command is a bunch of actual military leaders.

[Mastermatta]

Originally posted by ThatZenoGuy:

Originally posted by rustybroomhandle:

Y'all are confused as a bunch of soggy biscuits.

Karan S'Jet was Fleet Command, ie the one issuing all the orders, ie YOU the player. So if you think Karan S'Jet did not do anything of importance, then by extension you are saying you did not think you the player did anything important. Good job easy-modeing Homeworld then, I guess.

No? Sjet was merely the relay system. Fleet command is a bunch of actual military leaders.

Lol false, read hw1 manual sjet is fleet command expressly stated in there.

[ThatZenoGuy]

Originally posted by Mastermatta:

Originally posted by ThatZenoGuy:

No? Sjet was merely the relay system. Fleet command is a bunch of actual military leaders.

Lol false, read hw1 manual sjet is fleet command expressly stated in there.

Except Sjet doesn't have any military training, at all. Read WHY she got put in the mothership, it was as a communication/relay system. She takes commands and gives it to the fleet.

[Lindy Bomber]

In home world 1 I always thought of S'Jet as a sort of executive officer responsible for the operation of the ship but serving under a captain or admiral who was in command of the mission.

[Lindy Bomber]

Originally posted by HeathenSW:

Story of HW3 is like watching your PC motherboard talking back and forth with your CPU, cry about loosing every single byte of memory that's erased and rewritten constantly and searching for a cause that makes your power supply fluctuate. Real weird.

From her point of view those ships are crewed by real people. When a ship dies people die.

In a game like this it is really easy to just throw a wall of units against the enemy with the knowledge they are replaceable. I always thought it would be interesting if crew was a finite resource not easily replaceable. That would add a very interesting strategic element.

[REhorror]

Probably someone in the Dev team have some Ghost in the Shell's Motoko crush and decide to make everything about his expy.

It happens.

[Mastermatta]

Originally posted by ThatZenoGuy:

Originally posted by Mastermatta:

Lol false, read hw1 manual sjet is fleet command expressly stated in there.

Except Sjet doesn't have any military training, at all. Read WHY she got put in the mothership, it was as a communication/relay system. She takes commands and gives it to the fleet.

Im not saying it makes sense im just saying the original writing implied she was the the defacto leader of the higarran people. She acts against fleet intels recommendations a couple times implying she had final say. "The journey was treacherous, but Karan led her people across the galaxy to Hiigara. Though Fleet Intelligence handled most of the decisions, it was Karan who managed the fleet, and would often show compassion where Fleet Intelligence didn't. Karan's kindness led them to several allies, including the Bentusi and the Taiidan Rebellion. As such, Karan more than earned her love amongst the Kushan people." This is from the wiki but you can go confirm in game if you like. Also her title of "fleet command" in very straight foward terms indicates she is in command of the fleet.

[Mastermatta]

Originally posted by Mastermatta:

Originally posted by ThatZenoGuy:

Except Sjet doesn't have any military training, at all. Read WHY she got put in the mothership, it was as a communication/relay system. She takes commands and gives it to the fleet.

Im not saying it makes sense im just saying the original writing implied she was the the defacto leader of the higarran people. She acts against fleet intels recommendations a couple times implying she had final say. "The journey was treacherous, but Karan led her people across the galaxy to Hiigara. Though Fleet Intelligence handled most of the decisions, it was Karan who managed the fleet, and would often show compassion where Fleet Intelligence didn't. Karan's kindness led them to several allies, including the Bentusi and the Taiidan Rebellion. As such, Karan more than earned her love amongst the Kushan people." This is from the wiki but you can go confirm in game if you like. Also her title of "fleet command" in very straight foward terms indicates she is in command of the fleet.

They way i look at it is fleet intelligence is basically the generals and karan is thd president (a civilian leader who relies on generals but gets final say)

[Exile]

Originally posted by Mastermatta:

Originally posted by ThatZenoGuy:

Except Sjet doesn't have any military training, at all. Read WHY she got put in the mothership, it was as a communication/relay system. She takes commands and gives it to the fleet.

Im not saying it makes sense im just saying the original writing implied she was the the defacto leader of the higarran people. She acts against fleet intels recommendations a couple times implying she had final say. "The journey was treacherous, but Karan led her people across the galaxy to Hiigara. Though Fleet Intelligence handled most of the decisions, it was Karan who managed the fleet, and would often show compassion where Fleet Intelligence didn't. Karan's kindness led them to several allies, including the Bentusi and the Taiidan Rebellion. As such, Karan more than earned her love amongst the Kushan people." This is from the wiki but you can go confirm in game if you like. Also her title of "fleet command" in very straight foward terms indicates she is in command of the fleet.

That is "The Story So Far" saying that, not the original game or technical manual. The Kiith Council known as the Daiamid is what rules the Hiigaran people, not Karan.

[Mastermatta]

Originally posted by Exile:

Originally posted by Mastermatta:

Im not saying it makes sense im just saying the original writing implied she was the the defacto leader of the higarran people. She acts against fleet intels recommendations a couple times implying she had final say. "The journey was treacherous, but Karan led her people across the galaxy to Hiigara. Though Fleet Intelligence handled most of the decisions, it was Karan who managed the fleet, and would often show compassion where Fleet Intelligence didn't. Karan's kindness led them to several allies, including the Bentusi and the Taiidan Rebellion. As such, Karan more than earned her love amongst the Kushan people." This is from the wiki but you can go confirm in game if you like. Also her title of "fleet command" in very straight foward terms indicates she is in command of the fleet.

That is "The Story So Far" saying that, not the original game or technical manual. The Kiith Council known as the Daiamid is what rules the Hiigaran people, not Karan.

Sure but not necessarily during the journey. There planet was annilated, likely with the daiamid on it. I doubt they would have been already in cryosleep during the strike.

[Mofuji]

Cata makes her out to be important, to the Bentusi anyway. Because she's unbound. But then, Cata also seems to ignore the whole guilt of the Bentusi and also the whole "prophecy" thing that was throw out in one line in HW1.