Is this Dawn of War 3 all over again?

[Def]

-Terrible story
-Disrespecting established lore
-Casualization and simplification of gameplay

Hmm... this looks bad.

[Mythos]

引用自 RoReaver：

引用自 Mythos：

Story isn't that bad, but it's not great either.
It's a pretty decent rts game. It's a bad Homeworld game.

Decent Homeworld game after two straight ♥♥♥♥ ones (storyline middling in 2, gameplay ass, storyline ass and gameplay middling in DoK) after two gold ones.
Feel free to disagree though.

Homeworld: Cataclysm >= Homeworld > Homeworld 2 > DoK > Homeworld 3

[Def]

引用自 Muad'Dib：

引用自 Def：

If you, Mr. Private Profile, would look at my profile, you'd see that I've owned the Homeworld Remastered collection for quite some time. I played Homeworld 2 before that, years ago. Remastered died because you can only do so much with games that are mechanically outdated and/or stale. I was hoping 3 might revive this series, but oh well.

I have over 5 times your playtime in remastered, you barely even touched it, lmao. Once again, the recurring theme of all the people being negative nancies about HW3 is they either don't own it(and probably not the previous games either), or they barely touched the older games and played them so long ago that they have ridiculous nostalgia goggle based standards they're applying to HW3.

Remastered didn't die because the gameplay was 'stale in modern times'. Homeworld was just never that popular, even in it's prime. The real primary reason remastered died so fast was because Gearbox completely dropped the ball on multiplayer service in the first few months and it had a huge negative impact on the online play(I know this because I played in one of the few tournaments the game had, where you had to constantly change STEAM'S region to play with others internationally or you'd get a crash).

Homeworld was always niche, and now because people are so brain fried from 4chan and reddit their capacity for proportionality and logic has gone out of the window and since the devs didn't make a bunch of millenials with receeding hairlines feel 12 again based entirely off of nostalgia-fed imaginations and head canons, we have a review bombing campaign.

What, 30 hours is not enough to get a good sense of the game? Psh, why don't you try something other than playing defense for an incompetent multimillion-dollar company sometime eh?

[RoReaver]

引用自 Muad'Dib：

Homeworld was always niche, and now because people are so brain fried from 4chan and reddit their capacity for proportionality and logic has gone out of the window and since the devs didn't make a bunch of millenials with receeding hairlines feel 12 again based entirely off of nostalgia-fed imaginations and head canons, we have a review bombing campaign.

Tbh Remastered isn't even dead in the way that matters:
https://www.moddb.com/games/homeworld-remastered
It's how the whole series survived on for nearly 20 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ years to begin with before Homeworld 3.
And Homeworld 3 already lined up greater mod support than we had for over 10 years of those 20. I was there when people figured out how to inject shaders via the texture mapping to give HW2 more realistic graphics and I was also around to see the insanity of the Chinese crew on the un-remastered HW2 engine.

[RoReaver]

引用自 Mythos：

Homeworld: Cataclysm = Homeworld 1 > Homeworld 3 >> Homeworld 2; DoK ->Trash

Fixed it for accuracy.

引用自 Def：

What, 30 hours is not enough to get a good sense of the game? Psh, why don't you try something other than playing defense for an incompetent multimillion-dollar company sometime eh?

Which one? The one that barely survived on the profits of DoK after Gearbox headhunted them post IP acquisition and gave them a shoestring budget to retool Hardware: Shipbreakers into Homeworld Deserts of Kharak or the same company that basically had to ask the archivists in their fanbase if they still had HW1 and 2 source copies as Sierra and THQ were such idiots they lost both?
Those companies?
Yeah thought so.

[Mythos]

引用自 RoReaver：

引用自 Mythos：

Homeworld: Cataclysm = Homeworld 1 > Homeworld 3 >> Homeworld 2; DoK ->Trash

Fixed it for accuracy.

You are free to be part of the discussion and have your opinion, but do you need to be so inflammatory?

[Muad'Dib]

引用自 Def：

What, 30 hours is not enough to get a good sense of the game? Psh, why don't you try something other than playing defense for an incompetent multimillion-dollar company sometime eh?

30 hours between TWO games, you mean, and it's safe to say with that play time, accounting for stuff like menu idling, you probably played very little to no multiplayer either.

Awfully strong opinions for a pair of games you barely touched long enough to at most get through the campaigns once before never touching again.

[RoReaver]

引用自 Mythos：

引用自 RoReaver：

Fixed it for accuracy.

You are free to be part of the discussion and have your opinion, but do you need to be so inflammatory?

If the truth is inflammatory then let me go get my sanctified flamer.

And don't argue, you sniped far worse in that other thread.

[Def]

引用自 Muad'Dib：

引用自 Def：

What, 30 hours is not enough to get a good sense of the game? Psh, why don't you try something other than playing defense for an incompetent multimillion-dollar company sometime eh?

30 hours between TWO games, you mean, and it's safe to say with that play time, accounting for stuff like menu idling, you probably played very little to no multiplayer either.

Awfully strong opinions for a pair of games you barely touched long enough to at most get through the campaigns once before never touching again.

You can keep playing No True Scotsman all you want, little consumerist bro. Fact is, potential customers like me have been turned off from the game, and I am comparing this to Dawn of War III. No more, no less.

[Vault Traveler]

The thread title simply states why homeworld 3 failed.

There was a push to make RTS more like Moba because this was a trend, nowadays most (space) strategy games are very complex (granted most have X4 vibes).

Thing is devs who made Homeworld 3 did completely miss the mark, they pissed of a die hard community, did miss the current thing with complex games and even if you consider the current gameplay in its streamlined form interesting they didnt put enough content.

Its the trifecta of failed ideas.

[RoReaver]

引用自 Def：

引用自 Muad'Dib：

30 hours between TWO games, you mean, and it's safe to say with that play time, accounting for stuff like menu idling, you probably played very little to no multiplayer either.

Awfully strong opinions for a pair of games you barely touched long enough to at most get through the campaigns once before never touching again.

You can keep playing No True Scotsman all you want, little consumerist bro. Fact is, potential customers like me have been turned off from the game, and I am comparing this to Dawn of War III. No more, no less.

Well for a group of people that includes those that think HW3 is DEI-fied, not saying it's your own view mind you, it's kind of ironic that you're in essence arguing someone's a consumer while gatekeeping and then saying it's bad for the game because people who compare a MOBA-lite take on what was a RTT that came about from an RTS is the same as an RTS going back to its RTS roots and stripping out some of the trappings added on in a transition to a more realistic RTS nature.
Granted calling HW2 more realistic is like calling Master of Orion (Wargaming) as realistic as Aurora 4x but digressing.

引用自 Vault Traveler：

The thread title simply states why homeworld 3 failed.

There was a push to make RTS more like Moba because this was a trend, nowadays most (space) strategy games are very complex (granted most have X4 vibes).

Thing is devs who made Homeworld 3 did completely miss the mark, they pissed of a die hard community, did miss the current thing with complex games and even if you consider the current gameplay in its streamlined form interesting they didnt put enough content.

Its the trifecta of failed ideas.

Okay, I am curious: What good RTS do you know of that's more complex than this that's still alive? I won't even try to ask you for a recognizable IP that's been active in the last decade noticeably as that'll make you play Dark Souls with your goolies hooked up to a car battery.

[Muad'Dib]

引用自 Def：

引用自 Muad'Dib：

30 hours between TWO games, you mean, and it's safe to say with that play time, accounting for stuff like menu idling, you probably played very little to no multiplayer either.

Awfully strong opinions for a pair of games you barely touched long enough to at most get through the campaigns once before never touching again.

You can keep playing No True Scotsman all you want, little consumerist bro. Fact is, potential customers like me have been turned off from the game, and I am comparing this to Dawn of War III. No more, no less.

You're not a potential customer. You never were, lmao. You're literally just here to complain about something you never intended to buy, from a franchise you were never that interested in and passionate about, considering you put less time into it than I have in friggin' Plants vs Zombies. Heck I might even have more time in Ricochet.

The goal here was to just be negative for the sake of being negative. Why? Heck if I know, I don't have answers to the big questions of the universe, but all I know is that over the last 5-ish years the gaming community has turned completely clownish in expectations with zero grounding in logic or reality, and it's why so many games just get straight review bombed over the tiniest possible infractions now.

Again, I fully understand why Valve never made Half Life 3.

[Def]

引用自 Muad'Dib：

引用自 Def：

You can keep playing No True Scotsman all you want, little consumerist bro. Fact is, potential customers like me have been turned off from the game, and I am comparing this to Dawn of War III. No more, no less.

You're not a potential customer. You never were, lmao. You're literally just here to complain about something you never intended to buy, from a franchise you were never that interested in and passionate about, considering you put less time into it than I have in friggin' Plants vs Zombies. Heck I might even have more time in Ricochet.

The goal here was to just be negative for the sake of being negative. Why? Heck if I know, I don't have answers to the big questions of the universe, but all I know is that over the last 5-ish years the gaming community has turned completely clownish in expectations with zero grounding in logic or reality, and it's why so many games just get straight review bombed over the tiniest possible infractions now.

Again, I fully understand why Valve never made Half Life 3.

Well I'll tell you this, little bro, if Homeworld 3 was as finely designed as Helldivers 2 - which I have 200 hours in - then instead of posting in this forum I'd be playing it right now.

[RoReaver]

引用自 Def：

I have 200 hours in - then instead of posting in this forum I'd be playing it right now.

Well onii-sama, you just ♥♥♥♥ yourself. As the developers of HD2 sold you for chump change to Sony and y'all begging with flipping reviews back while Sony is just keeping HD2 off non-PSN markets so they'll slip in the dong straight back with much less care.

But sure, 200 hours (near 100 myself), enjoy the perma-nerfing of fun and the devs who totally didn't know from day 1 the illegality of selling a product they would, totally without they forewarning from sony, need to make unavailable for everyone who already bought it sans about 68-70 countries.

[RoReaver]

引用自 Vault Traveler：

引用自 RoReaver：

Well for a group of people that includes those that think HW3 is DEI-fied, not saying it's your own view mind you, it's kind of ironic that you're in essence arguing someone's a consumer while gatekeeping and then saying it's bad for the game because people who compare a MOBA-lite take on what was a RTT that came about from an RTS is the same as an RTS going back to its RTS roots and stripping out some of the trappings added on in a transition to a more realistic RTS nature.
Granted calling HW2 more realistic is like calling Master of Orion (Wargaming) as realistic as Aurora 4x but digressing.



Okay, I am curious: What good RTS do you know of that's more complex than this that's still alive? I won't even try to ask you for a recognizable IP that's been active in the last decade noticeably as that'll make you play Dark Souls with your goolies hooked up to a car battery.

As I said many of those games have X4 influence because people like that.

Upcoming space games hype a lot of people because it has complex gameplay.

And very few, if any, have a Z axis.

And they're not RTS if they have 4X (stop using X4, that's a game name =)) and it's a space sim, german one so might be where you're getting confused) as that'll make them lite 4X (Sins of a Solar empire).

[Muad'Dib]

引用自 Def：

引用自 Muad'Dib：

You're not a potential customer. You never were, lmao. You're literally just here to complain about something you never intended to buy, from a franchise you were never that interested in and passionate about, considering you put less time into it than I have in friggin' Plants vs Zombies. Heck I might even have more time in Ricochet.

The goal here was to just be negative for the sake of being negative. Why? Heck if I know, I don't have answers to the big questions of the universe, but all I know is that over the last 5-ish years the gaming community has turned completely clownish in expectations with zero grounding in logic or reality, and it's why so many games just get straight review bombed over the tiniest possible infractions now.

Again, I fully understand why Valve never made Half Life 3.

Well I'll tell you this, little bro, if Homeworld 3 was as finely designed as Helldivers 2 - which I have 200 hours in - then instead of posting in this forum I'd be playing it right now.

So if homeworld was a shooter with a party and automatching shooter you'd play it?

Okay? What point are you trying to make? The point I already made that Homeworld is an incredibly niche game even in the bounds and standards of it's own genre?

Now you're just grasping for straws like the dweebs claiming DEI because of a woman on the screen because they didn't play the previous games. 'Finely designed'....lmao, in what regard? Where is the 'failure' in design in HW3? Not having thousands of players online for a niche RTT? Not investing in and paying the upkeep for a matchmaking system for the 200 people online running 5-6 public lobbies?