Lore Question on Incarnate Queen

[Flushing]

The Incarnate seem to be this existential threat to the universe.

Wouldn't the Bentusi or other ancient races have killed her. Or the beast?

It seems like she such a supreme existential threat to the universe with powers over hyperspace rivaling the progenitors but the homeworld universe seems completely unaware of her until about one week ago.

[HeathenSW]

Supposedly she was trapped somewhere for a really REALLY long time by someone unknown, possible progenitors. Possibly she was trapped within hyperspace network (I guess like stuck in a Star Trek transporter buffer, but she was conscious for all that time) and thus when it was unlocked anew she broke free finally. But we really don't know anything about her and it was never explained.

Bentusi would definitely do something about her, but they did not seem to meet each other or even knew of each other, since otherwise she wouldn't be so happy to find another Navigator like her - Bentusi were a whole race of Navigators after all.

[Foodoman]

Originally posted by HeathenSW:

Supposedly she was trapped somewhere for a really REALLY long time by someone unknown, possible progenitors. Possibly she was trapped within hyperspace network (I guess like stuck in a Star Trek transporter buffer, but she was conscious for all that time) and thus when it was unlocked anew she broke free finally. But we really don't know anything about her and it was never explained.

Bentusi would definitely do something about her, but they did not seem to meet each other or even knew of each other, since otherwise she wouldn't be so happy to find another Navigator like her - Bentusi were a whole race of Navigators after all.

The one thing I will point out is technically the Bentusi are extinct. Last ship sacrificed itself in HW2

[RoReaver]

Originally posted by Foodoman:

Originally posted by HeathenSW:

Supposedly she was trapped somewhere for a really REALLY long time by someone unknown, possible progenitors. Possibly she was trapped within hyperspace network (I guess like stuck in a Star Trek transporter buffer, but she was conscious for all that time) and thus when it was unlocked anew she broke free finally. But we really don't know anything about her and it was never explained.

Bentusi would definitely do something about her, but they did not seem to meet each other or even knew of each other, since otherwise she wouldn't be so happy to find another Navigator like her - Bentusi were a whole race of Navigators after all.

The one thing I will point out is technically the Bentusi are extinct. Last ship sacrificed itself in HW2

I think here Flushing was asking more historically than HW2-HW3 time period. It's a good question so wherever she was sequestered must've either been hard to detect (progenitor possibility higher there) or maybe she's one of the reasons why the Vaygr could hunt down Bentusi so well (as they are the reason the Bentus was the last one).

[Flushing]

Originally posted by RoReaver:

Originally posted by Foodoman:

The one thing I will point out is technically the Bentusi are extinct. Last ship sacrificed itself in HW2

I think here Flushing was asking more historically than HW2-HW3 time period. It's a good question so wherever she was sequestered must've either been hard to detect (progenitor possibility higher there) or maybe she's one of the reasons why the Vaygr could hunt down Bentusi so well (as they are the reason the Bentus was the last one).

Not just that.

My issue is that she exhibits more power than any being or race in the universe, so story wise, there should have been some lore link to her in prior games that develop the core elements of the Homeworld Story .

Like, some relationship to the projegentors, like she was taught by them or was one of the first navigators. Perhaps a link to the creation of the hyperspace cores.

Could have developed more about the concept of the "unbound" in general, with more of a Bentusi connection, so there is that thread, instead of this new "Navigator" buzzword.

There is a part in the HW3 campaign where the incarnate ships are first introduced and described as having Progenitor language, or style, something of the sort, but it isn't developed at all, at least not that I remember and is dropped.

There is the Lament, and the use of progenitor tech. Is she a progenitor herself, or did the progenitor teach her and her people?

We don't get much backstory, or anything.

[Bovril Brigadier]

A coherent plot kind of went out the window with HW2 though they could have recycled the whole Sajuuk being a traitor to the Progenitors from older HW2 storyboards and explain why the Keepers were so hostile to the Hiigarans trying to reach him.

If it was explained the Incarnate Queen was what Sajuuk had "betrayed" or perhaps been what he locked up might have flowed a lot better.

[RoReaver]

Originally posted by Strayed:

A coherent plot kind of went out the window with HW2 though they could have recycled the whole Sajuuk being a traitor to the Progenitors from older HW2 storyboards and explain why the Keepers were so hostile to the Hiigarans trying to reach him.

If it was explained the Incarnate Queen was what Sajuuk had "betrayed" or perhaps been what he locked up might have flowed a lot better.

Or she might be pissy because she's also a traitor and Sajuuk's bounty got taken by upstart races.

[Flushing]

Originally posted by Strayed:

A coherent plot kind of went out the window with HW2 though they could have recycled the whole Sajuuk being a traitor to the Progenitors from older HW2 storyboards and explain why the Keepers were so hostile to the Hiigarans trying to reach him.

If it was explained the Incarnate Queen was what Sajuuk had "betrayed" or perhaps been what he locked up might have flowed a lot better.

Wasn't Sajuuk a progenitor ship? I don't get it.

Yes, Homeworld 2 was semi-incoherent and the ending nonsensical (did Karen become a god, or elevated in someway), but I still don't understand what is going on in Homeworld 3.

It's like a one-off, kinda how Homeworld Cataclysm was supposed to be because it was not "canon", but at least they nestled it in the Homeworld universe in a way that accounted for lore and prior relationships that gave them deference, like the Bentusi, Taidan, Kith culture/hiararchy.

Whenever similar things are referenced in Homeworld 3, it's more like an easter egg, or done in the clingiest of ways. Like, whenever Imogen mentions Kith Pactu, or they strain to make their own cultural references, like when the captain says the "let their memory remain, cliche" or whatever throw away line that was.

There were times that I was just so embarassed by the script and voice acting that I put headphones on so that my 13 year old daughter wouldn't make fun or me because that's how corny everything was.

I don't care what Narrative Consulting Firm did this, it was just a bad job. And, not for any of the conspiracy thinking referenced on this forum. Bad is bad.

[RoReaver]

Originally posted by Flushing:

Wasn't Sajuuk a progenitor ship? I don't get it.

Dustwars concept scripts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLnkOyQRuGQ (some of it, there was more but I cannot find links as they were leaks way, way,way ago)

[Chickens]

You seem to think the people that made this story cared about Homeworld lore.

[Flushing]

Originally posted by Chickens:

You seem to think the people that made this story cared about Homeworld lore.

No. At this point, I am going to assume that they either didn't care or are terrible writers.

[RoReaver]

Originally posted by Flushing:

Originally posted by Chickens:

You seem to think the people that made this story cared about Homeworld lore.

No. At this point, I am going to assume that they either didn't care or are terrible writers.

Or were rushed and needed to get into budget too (eyo HW2 we got). Makes more sense considering nothing in HW3 is far jumper tier or dozens of ships including a military warship on Kharak and 60 years only for one mothership, 5 recons and 1 resourcer. In the grand of scheme of things story's not great but we've had far worse if timeline and consistency is considered.

[Flushing]

Originally posted by RoReaver:

Originally posted by Flushing:

No. At this point, I am going to assume that they either didn't care or are terrible writers.

Or were rushed and needed to get into budget too (eyo HW2 we got). Makes more sense considering nothing in HW3 is far jumper tier or dozens of ships including a military warship on Kharak and 60 years only for one mothership, 5 recons and 1 resourcer. In the grand of scheme of things story's not great but we've had far worse if timeline and consistency is considered.

That's plausible too

[RoReaver]

Considering the amount of cut content

Imma say Rob Cunningham has a bit of Chris Roberts' ambition just not enough luck to get the cash for it.

[Mofuji]

Originally posted by Chickens:

You seem to think the people that made this story cared about Homeworld lore.

They didn't care about lore since HW2, what with all of its nonsense retcons, so why start now?

[Black Mews]

What if, she was Bentusi?