wtf is year one pass?

[lily40k]

i really hope this is not them turning HW into another garbage subscription based pay to win game...

Does anyone know what it is factually? i considered collectors edition until i saw that

[Vyndicu]

The Year One Pass includes three DLC drops that expand the co-op War Games mode with new playable factions and artifacts.

From here: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2689700/Homeworld_3__Year_One_Pass/


War Games mode is an online replayable roguelike co-op mode, and the one-year DLC is not a 'subscription' if you don't want to do online co-op.

https://www.gearboxpublishing.com/press_release/homeworld-3s-new-roguelike-inspired-multiplayer-mode-war-games-and-story-arc-unveiled-at-gamescom/

Example of gameplay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeRLb2dx9JA

[lily40k]

Thanks for very detailed answers. I wonder if those factions are only locked for coop and you can use them for pvp?

cos it kinda sucks now that all new players in DOK cant play soban and khaneph

[lily40k]

Originally posted by Kaos:

If you are buying the Collector's Edition, then it is not for the Year 1 Pass since the Collector's Edition includes a bunch of physical items and not available through Steam. The Year 1 Pass only costs $20 USD while the Collector's Edition costs $175 USD.

For most games, Year 1 Passes are for any DLC that they have scheduled for the next year. There might be a Year 2 Pass and a Year 3 Pass that include additional content, but at least Year 1 Pass only affects War Games mode not PvP. So there is currently nothing stating that there are subscriptions or Pay to Win in the game.

yes i mainly want collectors edition for the physical models of the ships, though seems i have another problem : they do not ship to singapore.

the game looks awesome from that youtube link :)

[Charnel]

Way to taint homeworld with this garbage

[lily40k]

Originally posted by Charnel:

Way to taint homeworld with this garbage

they literally hidden the year one pass steam page, i'm not sure why

[Katitoff]

Originally posted by Charnel:

Way to taint homeworld with this garbage

Funny how the only RTS games that are not abandonware or dead are the ones that monetized future content and mixed free and paid content.

[lily40k]

Originally posted by Katitoff:

Originally posted by Charnel:

Way to taint homeworld with this garbage

Funny how the only RTS games that are not abandonware or dead are the ones that monetized future content and mixed free and paid content.

i have no problem monetising games, but i do have a problem with pay to win games, no matter how slight the advantage. There are many examples of those games with "passes" that give loot or skins that give advantage to players who have it.

[lily40k]

Originally posted by Kaos:

Originally posted by lily40k:

yes i mainly want collectors edition for the physical models of the ships, though seems i have another problem : they do not ship to singapore.

the game looks awesome from that youtube link :)

Just did a quick check and there is a company called Big Apple Buddy that buy certain items in the US and ships them to other countries. This website has the Collector's Edition listed and ships to Singapore. Of course, there is likely to be a hefty shipping fee and service fee for it and I have no idea how trustworthy they are.

I believe companies like this and through companies like Ebay are the only way to get the collector's edition. EG Games Australia also allows you to preorder it, but I doubt they are willing to ship it to Singapore.

I found also amazon is selling collectors edition. So i think i might use that.
AMZN works very well in sg.

[Affronter]

Originally posted by Kaos:

If you are buying the Collector's Edition,...

Thank you for mentioning this Collector's Edition. I had not realised Gearbox was releasing one until your comment and I went to the google search. Amazon has it for pre-order, and since I have the Homeworld Remastered Edition w/ mothership model, naturally I ordered this. Bonus it releases on my birthday (March 5) even though Steam pre-order gets that 72 hour pre-release game access.

Fwiw, $225 CDN from Amazon. Oof!

Points to you, Kaos!

[alex010300]

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[Katitoff]

Originally posted by lily40k:

Originally posted by Katitoff:

Funny how the only RTS games that are not abandonware or dead are the ones that monetized future content and mixed free and paid content.

i have no problem monetising games, but i do have a problem with pay to win games, no matter how slight the advantage. There are many examples of those games with "passes" that give loot or skins that give advantage to players who have it.

And then we have games like SC2 coop commanders or CoH2 doctrines, which brought variety into multiplayer and no pay2win(tho balance in CoH2 was questionable at times, if doctrines were proven to be too strong, they had no problems nerfing them to the ground).
Same thing with new clans in Northgard.

You can't really have p2w in an RTS game if you want that RTS game to survive.

Originally posted by Perfection:

Originally posted by Katitoff:

Funny how the only RTS games that are not abandonware or dead are the ones that monetized future content and mixed free and paid content.

Funny how people call perfectly finished games abandonware or dead. These terms are for online-only garbage, not for single-player with optional multiplayer.

Gray Goo
8-bit armies
Red Alert remaster

List goes on and on and on.
All of them abandoned right post release or shortly after, according to your definition, they were "perfectly finished games", yet all players have left them.

RTS lives and dies by its multiplayer.
Campaign is irrelevant.

Now, could you maybe tell the class what kept SC2 and CoH2 and AoE2 players playing these games for more than 10 years?

[lily40k]

I do not agree that campaign is irrelevant, if not for campaign and good story i would never even try HW, or SC or AOE... its essential part of the game, there is a reason SC invested so much into campaign and cinematics, there is a reason microsoft keeps pumping new AOE campaigns and civs... we try the games for story we return to them for MP.

[Katitoff]

Originally posted by lily40k:

I do not agree that campaign is irrelevant, if not for campaign and good story i would never even try HW, or SC or AOE... its essential part of the game, there is a reason SC invested so much into campaign and cinematics, there is a reason microsoft keeps pumping new AOE campaigns and civs... we try the games for story we return to them for MP.

Let me rephrase - it is irrelevant for longevity of the game, regardless how replayable it is.
People who play campaign and mp also are most of the time now the same people.

Relic RTS are great example here, they all live and die by their multiplayer, campaigns are alright, but they aren't what holds people in for 1000 hours.

Tho I do have a biased pov of mp player here, which I feel I should point out.

[lege]

RTS doesn't have to 'live' or keep being re-playable forever via multiplayer, it isn't supposed to be an always live game service like DOTA and Homeworld series never was strong in the e-sports scene unlike SC2 and the others.

Homeworld's strength has always been in campaigns, world and story. Plenty of people bought the game, finish only campaign, played a few skirmish vs AI and then uninstalled. After a few years they reinstall it again to replay the story and repeat, some might make it into multiplayer if it still had any activity by then. HW:DoK's multiplayer scene was mostly via discord. A mod scene would have helped longevity but we had no luck with DoK unlike other RTS that providing map making tools and scenario editors, Steam workshop etc. It is like they made multiplayer and afterthought for DoK.

Many of the legendary RTS games had good campaigns as a basis first before trying to keep the mutliplayer scene afloat, unless you are trying to make an e-sports contender to the biggest RTS games, then they would have invested heavily into multiplayer.

The same 'longevity' thing happens with aRPGs, ever since Diablo 2 and the concept of seasons, later popular aRPGs like POE basically became a 'live' game, always online. But luckily not all follow suit as they know they can't challenge the big names in the genre, but they have their own replayability. Grim Dawn had multiplayer and kept things fresh with expansions/story like the old school Diablo II games minus the continuing seasons. I mean it is time to stop following Starcraft's footsteps if you can barely keep a game going, the e-sports scene is not for every RTS to strike gold with. I mean at least bring back LAN mode instead. And do you really want to see Homeworld 3 with multiple small multiplayer only factions / commanders / doctrine DLCs or just a quality expansion with new story and new faction introduced?

[lily40k]

HW DOK multiplayer would be amazing if the devs actually bothered to fix the lobby issues, desync and all sorts of crashes, they know very well how sloppy it is. Otherwise i still play it these days and its awesome. Entirely devs fault for dok not reaching levels of AOE. There were already people doing casts and tournaments, even mods.

I'm still mad that they treat the game such way, cos its the only thing i play these days.