Actual Command (spoilers)

[Knight of Slaanesh]

I've seen a few discussions about Blair, but not about Actual Command.

The motivations are still pretty unclear to me as to why we are simply betrayed and abandoned in the last mission.

Especially as Actual Command's character also does a 180 personality change in the mission.

Any ideas on the motives or plans for why this character acts the way he does (for example, hunger for power)? Or is he possibly an infiltrator.

[cANe]

The story isn't exactly all that cohesive in this game and the way it jumps back and forth between the different factions doesn't help. You spend so much time with the movement and the cartel and then suddenly it's quickly back to Legion and the end comes shortly after.

As for Actual honestly I have no idea what his motives are. Obviously the research to make human looking robots seems like something that would serve no use for mankind.
Maybe he is working for a different AI that is unknown? Or maybe Legion is not as much legion as we are led to believe and they have different factions among themselves for some reason?

I don't know, I would love to hear some theories about it all because it just feels so weird the way he acts.

[Knight of Slaanesh]

Originally posted by cANe:

The story isn't exactly all that cohesive in this game and the way it jumps back and forth between the different factions doesn't help. You spend so much time with the movement and the cartel and then suddenly it's quickly back to Legion and the end comes shortly after.

As for Actual honestly I have no idea what his motives are. Obviously the research to make human looking robots seems like something that would serve no use for mankind.
Maybe he is working for a different AI that is unknown? Or maybe Legion is not as much legion as we are led to believe and they have different factions among themselves for some reason?

I don't know, I would love to hear some theories about it all because it just feels so weird the way he acts.

True, the Legion part is almost neglected due to all the cartel missions.
As far as I understand, we have captured another technology from Legion. Apparently they were working on 2 research projects, one is the infiltrators and the other is going towards (cyber implants)?

[Slugcat]

Originally posted by cANe:

The story isn't exactly all that cohesive in this game and the way it jumps back and forth between the different factions doesn't help. You spend so much time with the movement and the cartel and then suddenly it's quickly back to Legion and the end comes shortly after.

As for Actual honestly I have no idea what his motives are. Obviously the research to make human looking robots seems like something that would serve no use for mankind.
Maybe he is working for a different AI that is unknown? Or maybe Legion is not as much legion as we are led to believe and they have different factions among themselves for some reason?

I don't know, I would love to hear some theories about it all because it just feels so weird the way he acts.

There are 2 parts of research, one is making human looking robots and the other is making enhanced human (cyborgs). Actual want to take cyborg tech to create super soldiers for humans.

But I agree that the later half of the story is horrible.

[Cesare]

I think the Actual Command turning on you is because he's hungry for power. He sees how the machines are nearly unstoppable, and what if men became the perfect military power? also it goes in line with the movie, where the protagonist goes under surgery for machine upgrades. Maybe the future faction will be the military dudes seen in the movie? because it is the Dark Fate line, and in the movie the army is super futuristic, while the Founders are basically the US army.

[Darkhart]

Originally posted by Slugcat:

There are 2 parts of research, one is making human looking robots and the other is making enhanced human (cyborgs). Actual want to take cyborg tech to create super soldiers for humans.

Yup its just for the sake of how founders are able to obtained technology to create enhance cybernetic humans, a continuation lore for the movie terminator dark fate, how grace, the female heroine is suppose to be a combination of human and cyborg.

[Booba]

The fact that Church and T-Force are never reinstated and work "off the books," lends itself to the notion that they were always seen as expendable: Defiance's version of Ghost, Roach and Shepherd, but the personality flip and villainy is downright comical as it occurs. There is just no rationalizing it. Something is missing: time maybe, or budget. Three more missions developing the underlying conflict between Actual and Church could have made all the difference.

[cANe]

Originally posted by Slugcat:

Originally posted by cANe:

The story isn't exactly all that cohesive in this game and the way it jumps back and forth between the different factions doesn't help. You spend so much time with the movement and the cartel and then suddenly it's quickly back to Legion and the end comes shortly after.

As for Actual honestly I have no idea what his motives are. Obviously the research to make human looking robots seems like something that would serve no use for mankind.
Maybe he is working for a different AI that is unknown? Or maybe Legion is not as much legion as we are led to believe and they have different factions among themselves for some reason?

I don't know, I would love to hear some theories about it all because it just feels so weird the way he acts.

There are 2 parts of research, one is making human looking robots and the other is making enhanced human (cyborgs). Actual want to take cyborg tech to create super soldiers for humans.

But I agree that the later half of the story is horrible.

I must have completely missed the part about the cyborg research, I guess it wasn't mentioned more than once at most? I guess that at least makes the story make a lot more sense because I kept thinking "wtf does this guy need this research for"

[Knight of Slaanesh]

Originally posted by cANe:

Originally posted by Slugcat:

There are 2 parts of research, one is making human looking robots and the other is making enhanced human (cyborgs). Actual want to take cyborg tech to create super soldiers for humans.

But I agree that the later half of the story is horrible.

I must have completely missed the part about the cyborg research, I guess it wasn't mentioned more than once at most? I guess that at least makes the story make a lot more sense because I kept thinking "wtf does this guy need this research for"

But it could also be that your brain simply skipped over it and ignored it for reasons of logic alone.
Because what does a machine want with cyborg implants for organic life forms?
Somehow that doesn't still make sense

[Crystal meth enthusiast]

SIMPLE

In movies they have cyborgs. Need a story how they come up with it. And that's it. Just a poor story to connect with movies.
Do not overthink it.

[Knight of Slaanesh]

Originally posted by Crystal meth enthusiast:

SIMPLE

In movies they have cyborgs. Need a story how they come up with it. And that's it. Just a poor story to connect with movies.
Do not overthink it.

You could be right, however, this would also mean that Actual is ultimately successful with the plan to use the technology for himself. I also just remembered that Actual says something very strange in one of the dialogs after the Fort Worth mission regarding the information about the 2 technologies. Somehow that the information alone puts us in a worse position than before and he needs to rethink it? I need to look it up with one of my saves.

[Cpt. Tomilin]

There are two explanations here:
1. The Commander of the Founders is an infiltrator, like a met fake Blair. And he got rid of a dangerous opponent.
2. The Founders' Command never trusted Church. They decided to use his mechanized company and throw it in the trash.

[Crystal meth enthusiast]

Originally posted by Knight of Slaanesh:

Originally posted by Crystal meth enthusiast:

SIMPLE

In movies they have cyborgs. Need a story how they come up with it. And that's it. Just a poor story to connect with movies.
Do not overthink it.

You could be right, however, this would also mean that Actual is ultimately successful with the plan to use the technology for himself. I also just remembered that Actual says something very strange in one of the dialogs after the Fort Worth mission regarding the information about the 2 technologies. Somehow that the information alone puts us in a worse position than before and he needs to rethink it? I need to look it up with one of my saves.

You just wrote a better story.

[kongxinga]

Is actual the black commander that talks to Cop Stevens during the Atlanta pullback? If so the 180 was very unexpected.

[cANe]

Originally posted by kongxinga:

Is actual the black commander that talks to Cop Stevens during the Atlanta pullback? If so the 180 was very unexpected.

It certainly looks and sounds like him so I presume they are the same person

[Wardaddouche]

Actual, is the military officer that Stevens met in Atlanta, he's sketchy from the start (He doesn't want to continue the war as the US Armed Force, he wants to build something better...), he also seems to have lost his control over the Founders, Actual isn't the suprem chief, he refers to "Founders High Council" as mentionned by General Blair ( He wanted to asked them to put Church under court martial). He give you a fake choice of either disbanding your T-Force and rejoin some other unit, or to go after Major Stevens, he knows Church is an indealist and will NEVER give up Stevens. After Fort Worth, thank to IT Command (the Geek lady, which seems to have a lot of say in the Founders by the way), we discover that Legion is researching 2 things in its facilities at Galveston:

1- The T800 infiltrator unit (We see one, pretending to be Captain Blair outside said facility, as a last ditch effort to eliminate Founder's leadership)

2- Some kind of technology to turn people into cyborgs, it's never said why Legion, which sole objective has been to genocide humanity is trying to make cyborgs...Maybe Legion goals are switching, wipping humanity isn't good enough anymore, it looks like it's trying to replace humanity (you got a bit of lore in the encyclopedia, about the Legion Tank that Legion likes to make thing that look like living being, which is quite strange).

Actual says that we need to after that 2nd technology and use it to our own benefit, that's fair, it does seem useful to be able to upgrade our men to be better soldiers to fight off the machines (remember we aren't exactly winning that war). IT Command also tells us, that now, Legion know that we know about its ressearch and will try to rush it up (and the production of prototypes too), so now Actual feels the need to rush and grab that tech.

Here's the unsaid part, He never let you rejoin the Founders officially as we said earlier, and for a good reason, you're being set up. If your unit doesn't exist, it can be discarded after achieving its mission, you've been useful and now Actual is discarding you. Why? Because he's glory hunting, he seems that he's loosing influence in the council and he need to regain back his power...How? By bringing home some sweet tech that will turn the tide of the war, and he can't let you take the credit for it.

(Sorry for the thesis^^).