Terminator: Dark Fate - Defiance

Terminator: Dark Fate - Defiance

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damart Mar 5, 2024 @ 4:47pm
Choose your armor
so, if anyone like me is wondering what is the best armor, here's some info, based on Bradley front hull thickness, second number is health, third is effectiveness against plasma:
Base = 180/600/124
Junk = 223/660/153
Carbon = 260/600/122
Ceramic = 200/630/820(wtf?! but that's what numbers say, it's 4.1 coeff against plasma)
Era = 180/600/522
resistance to ap(kinetic) is 0.69 for all, resistance to heat is variable, but you can guess, that ERA is superior :)
Honestly there is a clear winner here to me, but maybe I am missing something. And junk armor is actually not bad at all, especially on M1.
Last edited by damart; Mar 5, 2024 @ 4:52pm
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HeathenSW Mar 5, 2024 @ 4:54pm 
Yeah, junk is surprisingly nice. All the downsides of it are the same for the other armor types, at least for bradley/abrams - only carbon armor is a bit lighter and thus has less of an impact on speed and fuel consumption.
[CB] Pandasama Mar 5, 2024 @ 6:13pm 
And what about steel armor or cartel armor?
Falcon_BR Mar 5, 2024 @ 8:05pm 
How did you reach that number? Because when I was trying to mod the game I did reach other numbers, but there is also a coeff vs plasma. Like carbon effectiveness vs plasma was still better them base armor vs plasma, even with a 0,77 coef vs plasma
I also got Era for the bradley and it did died to ATGM missile.
damart Mar 5, 2024 @ 8:16pm 
Originally posted by Falcon_BR:
How did you reach that number? Because when I was trying to mod the game I did reach other numbers, but there is also a coeff vs plasma. Like carbon effectiveness vs plasma was still better them base armor vs plasma, even with a 0,77 coef vs plasma
I also got Era for the bradley and it did died to ATGM missile.
coefficients for Bradley are different because its armored vehicle type, not tank. Carbon vs plasma is 0.47
Falcon_BR Mar 5, 2024 @ 8:55pm 
Originally posted by damart:
Originally posted by Falcon_BR:
How did you reach that number? Because when I was trying to mod the game I did reach other numbers, but there is also a coeff vs plasma. Like carbon effectiveness vs plasma was still better them base armor vs plasma, even with a 0,77 coef vs plasma
I also got Era for the bradley and it did died to ATGM missile.
coefficients for Bradley are different because its armored vehicle type, not tank. Carbon vs plasma is 0.47

Thanks, I was checking the abrams carbon armor and it have a 0,77 coef vs plasma, but it did increase a lot before the coef, so it was very good vs all damages and a bit better vs plasma, even with the coef.
A developer corrected me because I thought that the 0,77 coef would make it take more damage from plasma, but that is not true.

Also, I lost a bradley from a single ATGM shot, it had reactive amor, What damage is the ATGM? It makes no sense and on the description of the reactive armor it says it can withstand plasma and ATGMs attacks.
Ook Oook Mar 5, 2024 @ 9:38pm 
Originally posted by Falcon_BR:
Originally posted by damart:
coefficients for Bradley are different because its armored vehicle type, not tank. Carbon vs plasma is 0.47

Thanks, I was checking the abrams carbon armor and it have a 0,77 coef vs plasma, but it did increase a lot before the coef, so it was very good vs all damages and a bit better vs plasma, even with the coef.
A developer corrected me because I thought that the 0,77 coef would make it take more damage from plasma, but that is not true.

Also, I lost a bradley from a single ATGM shot, it had reactive amor, What damage is the ATGM? It makes no sense and on the description of the reactive armor it says it can withstand plasma and ATGMs attacks.
Was it a javelin? The top of the bradley turret does not get any ERA.

And are you sure the armor wasn't damaged? Keep in mind armor can not be repaired mid mission.
RPS 12324 Mar 5, 2024 @ 9:41pm 
I am pretty sure all ATGM are HEAT
FissileUngulate Mar 5, 2024 @ 10:17pm 
I don't know if they modelled it but IRL the Javelin is a Tandem warhead. It has two stacked HEAT charges, the first to defeat ERA and the second to go through the main armor.
wei270 Mar 5, 2024 @ 10:46pm 
............ junk armor tanks your speed by ALOT

ok honest truth here if carbon armor was available for the cartel fights it would be amazing, but no....................................
Last edited by wei270; Mar 5, 2024 @ 10:48pm
damart Mar 5, 2024 @ 11:31pm 
Originally posted by Falcon_BR:
Originally posted by damart:
coefficients for Bradley are different because its armored vehicle type, not tank. Carbon vs plasma is 0.47

Thanks, I was checking the abrams carbon armor and it have a 0,77 coef vs plasma, but it did increase a lot before the coef, so it was very good vs all damages and a bit better vs plasma, even with the coef.
A developer corrected me because I thought that the 0,77 coef would make it take more damage from plasma, but that is not true.

Also, I lost a bradley from a single ATGM shot, it had reactive amor, What damage is the ATGM? It makes no sense and on the description of the reactive armor it says it can withstand plasma and ATGMs attacks.
Thing is that the highest caliber kinetic damage you are going to encounter is 90mm cartel , which is rare and M1 can tank it with default armor. So carbon really makes no sense.
ThatZenoGuy Mar 6, 2024 @ 12:39am 
Sooooooooo Ceramic best choice?
wei270 Mar 6, 2024 @ 12:54am 
200/630/820 definitly best choice when you have it, because by that time you are fighting legion and their only have 4 units that doesn't use plasma. dog( damage too low to matter), walker, both its gun and its missiles and rockets, legion gun tower, and the front machine gun of basic legion transport car.
ThatZenoGuy Mar 6, 2024 @ 1:00am 
Then I suppose ERA is second best.

Why is Carbon armor so terrible, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
wei270 Mar 6, 2024 @ 1:02am 
it is suppose to be very light armor so it doesn't affect speed.
ThatZenoGuy Mar 6, 2024 @ 1:18am 
Originally posted by wei270:
it is suppose to be very light armor so it doesn't affect speed.
Yeah but speed doesn't matter much ingame, even the dozer is viable.
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