100% GARBAGE for 100% GREED

[𝟡𝟡𝟡𝕷𝕬𝖅𝕬𝕽𝖀𝕾𝟡𝟡𝟡]

Dont support Franchises what ruin a beautifull story as the last Cinema Movie of Terminator did because of Greed!!!

No John Conner = NO TERMINATOR thats how symple it is!!!

[Dwarf Floyd]

Lol. I played the game already. Its pretty good. But yeah, just scream around and cry like a baby.

[𝟡𝟡𝟡𝕷𝕬𝖅𝕬𝕽𝖀𝕾𝟡𝟡𝟡]

@SirLancealot I see you dont get it... Well im srsly sry for you buddy.

[ThatZenoGuy]

Terminator has been ruined since T3. This game isn't really hurting it anymore than it already hurts.

[Decarien]

As far as I see it, the Terminator franchise has always been about The Terminator. Killer AI trying to exterminate [the last of] humanity.

Long as we've got those glorious metal skeletons of death and the various bigger killbots, I really don't care who's doing what on the meatbag side of things.

[EagleLeader]

No John Connor is the breaking point for you? He barely existed as a character in the 1st movie & the 2nd movie he was an annoying kid. I went to the Terminator movies for the Terminator, never for John Connor.

[𝟡𝟡𝟡𝕷𝕬𝖅𝕬𝕽𝖀𝕾𝟡𝟡𝟡]

The essence of the 'Terminator' story has always been John Connor, the leader of the Resistance. Without him, there is no Resistance, no pivotal figure teaching humanity to fight against Skynet. The best part of the movies, in my opinion, was indeed the first one, a matter of personal taste. However, what they did with 'Terminator: Dark Fate' was to effectively dismantle the core of the story, making it almost ridiculous. By sidelining John Connor, they didn't just change a character; they disrupted the fundamental narrative that was the backbone of the franchise. This move, in my view, has severely damaged the integrity and appeal of the 'Terminator' series, straying too far from what made it compelling in the first place.

This shift seems driven by the same kind of greed that has influenced companies like Disney, prioritizing profit over storytelling integrity. Such decisions, which undermine the essence of beloved stories, should not go unchecked. It's important for audiences to hold these studios accountable for messing up great stories. By voicing our dissatisfaction and choosing not to support these misguided ventures financially, we can send a clear message that the original spirit and narrative of iconic franchises should be respected and preserved.

[󠀡󠀡MɨxɇđǤȺmɨnǥ]

i played the demo and it was great for me, sure i understand no main chts like JC or no Skynet is a shame and rely weird but it's set in a lore i like so i will still buy it for the fun open world part they added and shown at the end of the demo, kinda like the CoH3 campaign top down move units around and then go into battles and ofc this will lead to you getting lands and the machine's lol. seems fun but i do hope they add Skynet/JC later as a DLC or FLC

[Decarien]

Origineel geplaatst door 999LAZAGOAT999:

The essence of the 'Terminator' story has always been John Connor, the leader of the Resistance. Without him, there is no Resistance, no pivotal figure teaching humanity to fight against Skynet. The best part of the movies, in my opinion, was indeed the first one, a matter of personal taste. However, what they did with 'Terminator: Dark Fate' was to effectively dismantle the core of the story, making it almost ridiculous. By sidelining John Connor, they didn't just change a character; they disrupted the fundamental narrative that was the backbone of the franchise. This move, in my view, has severely damaged the integrity and appeal of the 'Terminator' series, straying too far from what made it compelling in the first place.

If that's the part of of the series you really connected with then I can see why you're upset, but I'm not. John Connor was never that important, except off screen and as a symbol. He was a plot device and damsel-in-distress for the first trilogy, while Salvation and Genisys (where he actually did things) were poorly received.

Johns termination certainly didn't disrupt the fundamental narrative of anything. Rather like Genisys (when he became the t-3000), this timeline without John is nothing more than another branching what-if possibility in the already chaotic canon of the franchise (par for the course when it comes to time-travel stories). That his removal just lead to someone else taking his place was the most realistic part of the movie. It's a good lesson: "heroes" are usually replaceable.

Honestly I'm more annoyed that they changed Skynet to Legion. There was nowhere near enough future war explanation of the differences between the two, and it comes off like Kylo Ren to Darth Vader: small feet in far bigger shoes.

[ThatZenoGuy]

Yeah John Connor was never the centre of the franchise, if anything the most important character is Sarah of all people. Functionally the 'messiah' of the resistance movement.

[𝟡𝟡𝟡𝕷𝕬𝖅𝕬𝕽𝖀𝕾𝟡𝟡𝟡]

Let's revisit 'Terminator 1'. Why was a soldier sent back in time, and by whom? This was the foundation of the entire franchise. The central plot revolves around Skynet's attempts to eliminate key figures across three movies. Indeed, I agree that the franchise began to lose its essence after 'Terminator 3', but the motivation for Skynet to engage in time travel is intrinsically linked to John Connor. The core story is about a machine sent to the past to kill the woman who will become the mother of the most crucial leader of the resistance in the future. This is the lore at the heart of 'Terminator'. Did you overlook the fundamental plot of the first three movies? The presence of John Connor, whether represented by an actor or not, is essential to the narrative, transcending his physical appearance in the films. I also agree that Legion was a bad ****ing joke...

[𝟡𝟡𝟡𝕷𝕬𝖅𝕬𝕽𝖀𝕾𝟡𝟡𝟡]

With 'Dark Fate', it's clear that the essence of what made the 'Terminator' franchise great has been fundamentally betrayed. The creators appear to be urging the audience to dismiss the original movies – the ones that fans have held dear for years – in favor of a completely altered narrative. It's almost as if they're saying, 'Forget the classics; here's something new, but not necessarily improved.' If this trend of altering beloved stories continues, we risk seeing another 30 years of countless movies that further water down the 'Terminator' brand, each straying further from what originally drew us in. Continuously rewriting a story to the point of erasing its successful elements is not just disrespectful; it's a disservice to a beloved franchise. This isn't about evolving a story; it's about erasing its impactful legacy.

This approach is akin to a 'locust mentality for quick profiteering', exploiting the franchise for rapid financial gain without considering the long-term consequences or the sustainability of the narrative's core. And who suffers from this? Look at yourself, at your favorite stories, and realize that they could be destroyed in the same way 'Terminator' and 'Star Wars' have been. It's a trend that not only disrespects the original material but also disregards the loyal fan base.

[Decarien]

The difference here is not a question of facts, it's perspective. You've built your views on the man, I've built mine on the machine.

The T-800 mowing down a police station was cool. the T-1000 walking through the bars and making blade arms was a treat. The T-X solid/liquid metal combo and the T-850 it fought were great, especially the death scene where Arnold finally said 'You are Terminated'. The harvester, prison transport, HK vs A10, and plenty of others made Salvation a treat. The T-3000 was fantastic. Even in spite of legion, the Rev-7 and Rev-9 were an interesting step in a new direction. The 'bad guys' have iterated, innovated, and gotten more worth watching with every release, and I'm looking forward to whatever they come up with next.

I just don't give a damn about some destined chosen one and their tiny squad of plucky rebels that plot armor their way past impossible odds while somehow managing to be more generic than the mass produced enemies they fight. Reece, John, Dani, the humans have always been the weakest part of the stories, physically and metaphorically. Part of why I'm looking forward to Dark Fate - Defiance, maybe we'll actually see the humans do something besides die or get saved by their token machine ally.

As for this discussion, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree at this point.

[Jimmy Booker]

The series/Franchise has always been about the inevitability of Judgment Day, and what comes to follow. Trying to prevent it was shown to be an illusion in T3. They were quite clear, you cannot stop it from coming.

The game we're being presented is the aftermath. Was John Connor critical to a timeline at one point? Sure. He was. Emphasis on was.

Time progressed. The timeline shifted. But Judgment day still comes.

It's totally okay to not have a titular character poorly ripped from existing Hollywood media. The movies laid the framework. We're in the battle. We're making critical decisions. That is the point of this game. And it looks like they're doing it quite well.

[Blitzwing]

Origineel geplaatst door 999LAZAGOAT999:

Dont support Franchises what ruin a beautifull story as the last Cinema Movie of Terminator did because of Greed!!!

No John Conner = NO TERMINATOR thats how symple it is!!!

Problem is, the better timeline is way more expensive IP.

[phroZac]

Origineel geplaatst door 999LAZAGOAT999:

The essence of the 'Terminator' story has always been John Connor, the leader of the Resistance. Without him, there is no Resistance, no pivotal figure teaching humanity to fight against Skynet. The best part of the movies, in my opinion, was indeed the first one, a matter of personal taste. However, what they did with 'Terminator: Dark Fate' was to effectively dismantle the core of the story, making it almost ridiculous. By sidelining John Connor, they didn't just change a character; they disrupted the fundamental narrative that was the backbone of the franchise. This move, in my view, has severely damaged the integrity and appeal of the 'Terminator' series, straying too far from what made it compelling in the first place.

This shift seems driven by the same kind of greed that has influenced companies like Disney, prioritizing profit over storytelling integrity. Such decisions, which undermine the essence of beloved stories, should not go unchecked. It's important for audiences to hold these studios accountable for messing up great stories. By voicing our dissatisfaction and choosing not to support these misguided ventures financially, we can send a clear message that the original spirit and narrative of iconic franchises should be respected and preserved.

Where'd you swipe that wall of text from, kid? The grammar, syntax, and spelling doesn't match your OP or your first response to another's comment. Are these essays you're dropping from ChatGPT? I mean, given the context, an A.I. answer makes sense.

If you don't like anything past T2, don't take part. Simple as that. If other people do, let them enjoy things. I personally think the franchise began a steady decline from T3 on with few noteworthy moments across all variety of media. However, I can still enjoy what remains of the franchise as a guilty pleasure because at the end of the day it's just entertainment.