what were they thinking?

[upsetkiller]

as i said what were they thinking taking the name and story of a flopped film that the fandom rejected? this was an opportunity to make a game set in the Main skynet timeline, feature john connor instead of some diversity hire.

[Yorae]

The main problem is that Dark fate was presented as the "official" sequel of Terminator 2 (because Cameron...) Which is stupid given that the ending of Terminator 2 (director's cut) showed us that the Judgement day never happened in 2027.

Maybe it would have been another story if it was presented as an alternate timeline, maybe the movie would not be hated so much.
It doesn't help that we are in a era where the woke agenda ruins everything (meaning now female centric movies with the male being sidelined).
Therefore Dark Fate was catalogued as a woke movie, which doesn't help for its popularity as the majority usually hate woke movies (just take a look at the state of Disney).

As for myself, it's clear now that we have a Terminator multiverse with multiple timeline:

- T1 -> T2 is the timeline that i consider "by default" where Skynet never existed at the end of T2.

- T1 -> T2 -> The Sarah Connor Chronicles.
It's been a while but if i remember correctly, the futur is constantly changing in this one and like Genisys and Salvation, we will never see the end of this story.

- T1 -> T2 -> T3 -> Salvation is the timeline where Skynet was invented but from scratch by the humans (or maybe there were leftovers in Cyberdine systems but i don't remember this)

- T1 -> T2 -> Dark Fate.

- Genisys

You could add the Robocop vs Terminator timeline from the comics but like the T1 -> T2 timeline, this one is resolved.

There's a timeline for every taste, Dark fate is not one i appreciate and it's the case for many.

And that's why i said that the developpers must write a story as good as Terminator Resistance: This one reconciled many people with the Terminator franchise so they have to do the same with Dark Fate : Defiance to make people being interested in this timeline.

As for me, I will have a "wait and see" approach:
Waiting what people think about this game and maybe buy it if it's good as i like RTS and the Terminator franchise.
But again i find that Legion has less appeal than Skynet so it has to be really good.

[Decarien]

Yeah, I'm with you on Legion being less appealing than Skynet but a lot of that for me is just its lack of history. Also the lack of a logo. I compared it to Kylo Ren and Darth Vader in another thread, big shoes to fill, but unlike Ren they haven't ruined things yet. It does have potential.

Skynet was supposedly 'kill all humans' which was, and still is, great but it did close a lot of doors. It was a simpler villain from a simpler time in entertainment. Plus those work/extermination camps instead of just shooting everyone on sight or making the world uninhabitable kinda sent mixed messages.

I think if Legion goes the tyrant route instead, looking to contain and control humanity rather then just wipe out everyone (kill most humans) there is a chance it could establish itself as an interesting alternative. Some "beyond human understanding" never explained reason for why it keeps hostage populations alive would add character and open new narrative possibilities.

[Yorae]

I'm also with you on this, i don't remember Dark fate well so i forgot many things about Legion (easier to forget a movie we don't like), so if the devs play their cards well, we could have some interesting things.

And that's why i keep mentioning Terminator: Resistance: This one made full circle with T1 and T2, explaining many things about the futur wars regarding the Skynet timelines.
On top of that the game can be fitted in many timelines.
There's a reason why many of those who played this game view it at "the third movie we should have had".

Dark fate : Defiance must reach the same level, if Legion is just a reiteration of Skynet in this game with close to nothing new, i'd rather keep the original and my interest will drop significantly.
I'm just the type of guy who put the story at the same level as the gameplay - and it's the weak point of the Dark fate timeline curently.

[upsetkiller]

Originally posted by Decarien:

The Dark Fate movie may not have played as well as its producers would have liked with the original fans but it has a new timeline without a lot of established canon to work around. Its future war is practically a blank canvas that they can tell nearly whatever story they want in without stepping on toes, while still pulling any useful elements from the original if it is convenient. That's pretty nice in an existing universe.

As for John Connor, his story has been told from before his birth to after multiple instances of his death now. The more that's said, the less room there is to say anything else. At this point, that well is pretty much dry. Salvation tried to add more to the future but that flopped. Genisys tried to rewrite his past but that flopped too. Then Dark Fate explored what happened if the terminator killed him and frankly: it's the best received of the 3, so here we are. Even Resistance only had him as a cameo/side character.

As long as Defiance has fun gameplay, a good story and an AI overlord with armies of machines bent on world conquest built on the corpses of as many humans as necessary/possible: it's worth a shot.

highly disagreed, salvation made allot more money than either AND did it without china releases. these stats are without inflation adjustment as well. Salvation was a decent movie that was panned because sarah conner was killed off screen as well as the hate that it got before release for the leaked script which would have led to a much better outcome had that universe survived like we saw in the salvation comics

problem with dark fate is , its rehashing the exact same story as john but replacing john with that Mexican girl that had no charisma and kyle with some weird character, no one was going to like that. why even bother changing characters if its going to be the same story again? even t3 was a much better film than genysis and darkfate ,it was hated on for the humour it contained, but its ending was beautiful and led into the closed loop timeline theory of T1 and t2

[upsetkiller]

Originally posted by Yorae:

I'm also with you on this, i don't remember Dark fate well so i forgot many things about Legion (easier to forget a movie we don't like), so if the devs play their cards well, we could have some interesting things.

And that's why i keep mentioning Terminator: Resistance: This one made full circle with T1 and T2, explaining many things about the futur wars regarding the Skynet timelines.
On top of that the game can be fitted in many timelines.
There's a reason why many of those who played this game view it at "the third movie we should have had".

Dark fate : Defiance must reach the same level, if Legion is just a reiteration of Skynet in this game with close to nothing new, i'd rather keep the original and my interest will drop significantly.
I'm just the type of guy who put the story at the same level as the gameplay - and it's the weak point of the Dark fate timeline curently.

terminator resistance has to be the absolute best instance of when developers know the source material even better than an ageing author like James Cameron, years after the material was first published. that game gave me the chills, especially its annihilation line DLC

Originally posted by Yorae:

The main problem is that Dark fate was presented as the "official" sequel of Terminator 2 (because Cameron...) Which is stupid given that the ending of Terminator 2 (director's cut) showed us that the Judgement day never happened in 2027.

Maybe it would have been another story if it was presented as an alternate timeline, maybe the movie would not be hated so much.
It doesn't help that we are in a era where the woke agenda ruins everything (meaning now female centric movies with the male being sidelined).
Therefore Dark Fate was catalogued as a woke movie, which doesn't help for its popularity as the majority usually hate woke movies (just take a look at the state of Disney).

- T1 -> T2 -> T3 -> Salvation is the timeline where Skynet was invented but from scratch by the humans (or maybe there were leftovers in Cyberdine systems but i don't remember this)

100% agreed , and i personally consider this timeline to be the one that makes the most sense.

[Dark_Takeda]

Honestly, not sure what you guys are smoking. This game is good and reminds me of the days of the early 2000's where you only had a few units and you needed to survive with what you got. I approve of this game.

[XLLDARKCRISIS]

Originally posted by Dark_Takeda:

Honestly, not sure what you guys are smoking. This game is good and reminds me of the days of the early 2000's where you only had a few units and you needed to survive with what you got. I approve of this game.

they are crying over the movie and how the game doesn't have skynet instead of legion

[Nemesis]

They were right in calling it dark fate and some what Ironic.

[Warnoise]

Movie is garbage but the game is good. Sometimes that happens

[whiteanacondaS]

Originally posted by Krieger:

lol Dark Fate

a couple of months after release there will be OG Terminator DLC to try and backpedal and appease anyone who has actual taste, but that will be too little too late, and this game will fade into obscurity.

dude hush the games good