why would you make a game based on the worst terminator movie?

[Uncle Crispy]

john connor dies in the first 5 minutes, the protector cant function for over 5 minutes without drugs, they completely disrespect and butcher the character of sarah connor and whoever wrote dark fate NEVER watched terminator 1 or 2 as proven by the fact that thought sarah was only important because she gave birth to john which isnt the case as she taught john how to lead, the new "leader of the resistance" became the leader because she said we should stop fighting each other and fight the machines instead.

and those arent even half the things wrong with that movie

why would you even think making a game based on terminator dark fate was a good idea? the movie itself wasnt even profitable so why do you think releasing a game based on a movie that the existing fanbase hated that also wasnt profitable years after the fact was a good idea?

[redsimonDE]

I agree with the OP.

Dark Fate has a bad story, bad characters and destroys the excellent story of Terminator 1 and 2 further.

You should have taken Terminator: Resistance from your fellow designers at Teyon as an example.

They wisely chose to base their game only on Terminator 1 and 2, and were rewarded by the fans with sales a lot higher than expected and a very high Steam rating.

You might have set yourselves up to failure or at least to very limited success, as opposed if you had chosen only the Future War scenario from T1 and 2.

There is virtually noone who prefers the Future War scenario from Dark Fate over the one of the first two beloved movies. You rejected a money machine and chose a failed setting.

[Paul]

Chalk me up as another one who could not be less interested in DF and its "legion" stupidity. That stuff is bad fanfic-level noncanon nonsense.

[JefferyNothing]

Have to agree also. I have no interest in watching Dark Fate ever again nor do I have any interest in playing in the dreadfully re-imagined future war of it either.

Setting it within that version was a big mistake IMO. This doesn't look like anything related to Terminator.

[TaxOwlbear]

I also wonder why they bothered to tie this to Dark Fate specifically. The film is old news now, so it's not a cash-in on a new film. It also doesn't seem to tie into the film heavily, so why not just pick Skynet instead of Legion?

[[S.A.S]sephchan]

I agree. I'm defo interested because it's a Terminator game, but why would you choose Legion over Skynet?

[Cyber Moduled]

I get the impression they probably didn't exactly have a choice because at the end of the day, movie studios want the more recent thing out of a franchise to be remembered over something older. I know people are going to mention Resistance but aside from that coming out roughly half a year before Dark Fate came out (movie rights owners probably didn't want anything about the film spoiled in advance) but also Teyon weren't exactly proven devs when the last thing they made that people remembered was Rambo: The Video game.

As bad as the film was, I'm willing to differentiate this game from that film so long as said game is "good" given how little we even know of Dark Fate's new future so it's more on the devs to get creative about it.

[redsimonDE]

引用自 Cyber Moduled：

I get the impression they probably didn't exactly have a choice

You say that based on what? Dark Fate came out two years ago, while this game is still in production without release date.
You just made this up, it is highly unlikely the studio tried to meddle in this in any way. More likely Slitherine or Cats Who Play or both thought this was a good idea.

Teyon weren't exactly proven devs when the last thing they made that people remembered was Rambo: The Video game.

You mean like Cats Who Play who have one game that people remember?

As bad as the film was, I'm willing to differentiate this game from that film so long as said game is "good" given how little we even know of Dark Fate's new future so it's more on the devs to get creative about it.

You can try to make gold out of crap, or you can use gold ore.
With this game the former is the case. The setting is clearly inferior to T1 and 2 and clearly less attractive to customers. It seems the companies involved are not interested in making money, but in something else.

[Cyber Moduled]

引用自 redsimonDE：

引用自 Cyber Moduled：

I get the impression they probably didn't exactly have a choice

You say that based on what? Dark Fate came out two years ago, while this game is still in production without release date.
You just made this up, it is highly unlikely the studio tried to meddle in this in any way. More likely Slitherine or Cats Who Play or both thought this was a good idea.

Teyon weren't exactly proven devs when the last thing they made that people remembered was Rambo: The Video game.

You mean like Cats Who Play who have one game that people remember?

As bad as the film was, I'm willing to differentiate this game from that film so long as said game is "good" given how little we even know of Dark Fate's new future so it's more on the devs to get creative about it.

You can try to make gold out of crap, or you can use gold ore.
With this game the former is the case. The setting is clearly inferior to T1 and 2 and clearly less attractive to customers. It seems the companies involved are not interested in making money, but in something else.

That's why I said "impression" jackass. Also wow, video game development taking time, what a shock. I don't think something taking two or more years to develop is much of a stretch given other games require some time in development before pushing out. By the time Cats and Slitherine realized how screwed Dark Fate was, it was probably too late to turn back and redesign what they had. And that Teyon comparison was made because Rambo was a fairly infamous game. Makes sense for a studio to not want to give what they thought their next big blockbuster IP would be to an unproven studio.

At the end of the day it's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ RTS. Would I prefer a classic Terminator aesthetic look to this game? Yes. At the same time, I'm also willing to not give a flying ♥♥♥♥ since the best games of this genre all come between the 90s to mid 2000s. Gameplay is paramount to this genre at the end of the day and beyond unit visibility, visuals don't particularly matter much besides first impressions.

[redsimonDE]

引用自 Cyber Moduled：

Also wow, video game development taking time, what a shock. I don't think something taking two or more years to develop is much of a stretch given other games require some time in development before pushing out.

Games based on movies that want to cash in on a recent movie are usually released before movie release, at movie release or shortly after.
This game coming out more than two years, perhaps three years after the movie indicates that this deal was made with the failure of Dark Fate already known. It was a stupid deal.

At the end of the day it's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ RTS. Would I prefer a classic Terminator aesthetic look to this game? Yes. At the same time, I'm also willing to not give a flying ♥♥♥♥ since the best games of this genre all come between the 90s to mid 2000s. Gameplay is paramount to this genre at the end of the day and beyond unit visibility, visuals don't particularly matter much besides first impressions.

So you admit that the setting is inferior? Fine.
It's also ok to admit that you are willing to accept this inferiority.

Just don't try to tell other players that this is ok and they should accept it, too. It is not and it is absolutely correct to call out nonsensical decisions of companies that result in inferior products, especially because they expect us as potential customers to give them money for this.

[MTL5]

This is licensed by SkyDance who made Genisys and Dark Fate. So it is only legally allowed to use one of those settings.

[Warnoise]

My hype dropped to the ground the moment I saw the name Dark fate in there. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

[Nightlulu]

Bruh yall insane! You think they have that much money to acquire OG terminator licences. Their games have been getting better in recent years but let's be realistic here. From the trailers looks great so far in comparison what they usually develop especially when it's niche games

[TheDutchGhost]

引用自 Uncle Crispy：

john connor snip good idea?

引用自 Paul：

Chalk me up as another one who could not be less interested in DF and its "legion" stupidity. That stuff is bad fanfic-level noncanon nonsense.

引用自 rH：

Have to agree also. I have no interest in watching Dark Fate ever again nor do I have any interest in playing in the dreadfully re-imagined future war of it either.

Setting it within that version was a big mistake IMO. This doesn't look like anything related to Terminator.

Same feelings here.
When someone on a forum just mentioned this project to me, in the recent past I had made it clear that I am a fan of Terminator Resistance, I immediately wanted to check out this project as it could be interesting.
I was thinking that perhaps even Teyon was making this.

Then I saw the name, and all my interest immediately disappeared. Especially after I saw the ingame 'machine' units.

Really disappointing, but I think Terminator fans and people who would like to see games based on favorite movies are used to this by now.

引用自 TaxOwlbear：

I also wonder why they bothered to tie this to Dark Fate specifically. The film is old news now, so it's not a cash-in on a new film. It also doesn't seem to tie into the film heavily, so why not just pick Skynet instead of Legion?

Good question. I can only think of the reason Cyber Moduled also brought up; because it is the most recent released Terminator movie.
Though like most of you also mention; why make use of a movie title which movie was a major bomb.
Its now more than two years later, who is still waiting for any kind of tie in to that movie?

Personally I think the title Terminator, or The Terminator is brand recognizable enough that it doesn't need to tie in to any of the specific terminator movies.

In the 90s Bethesda also released plenty of Terminator games that did not refer to Terminator 1 or 2 directly other than their background lore.


I don't know what to say to the developers. I don't wish failure in general to anyone (except Abrams, Orci, Kurtzman, and their pals. And Todd Howard and his goons at Bethesda).
Perhaps it will work out for you and you get your investment out it and some profit as well.
I am not saying what you should have done, one must do what one thinks is wise. But I won't be supporting this game.

[Icevenom]

引用自 Lu：

Bruh yall insane! You think they have that much money to acquire OG terminator licences. Their games have been getting better in recent years but let's be realistic here. From the trailers looks great so far in comparison what they usually develop especially when it's niche games

First of all this ^

But secondly .. why are you guys so interested into story/lore for an RTS? like.. THAT interested.
T2 is by far my fav movie (not only t series..but top 5 all movies), i agree that DF sucks goat butt and i ...don't care.

The gameplay looks amazing (not even that big of a RTS fan) and that works for me; i don't need a story or to play 'heroes' in a RTS.

[Warnoise]

In the Slitherine stream the guy mentioned that they are going to implement many stages from the first 2 movies.

Perhaps they had to put the dark fates name due to licence agreement or something like that but let's pray the content is nothing like that.