CHARGE BLADE is it practical or nah?

[NizzBizz]

If you want a comfortable charge blade build in sunbreak your literally looking at 6 - 12 skills needed for that. Also why even bother having morph slash in the game, no one is gonna run morph slash with rapid morph if they can just use counter morph slash instead. Why doesn't morph slash get the discharge buff and counter morph slash get a guard buff, literally rename it to defensive morph slash and make the morph times the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ same.

Also SAED'ing still ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sucks because it take 3 - 6 seconds to use, you practically trade blows with the monster with your "hit to being hit" ratio decreasing for each phial induced KO you do... Swaxe's finishing discharge literally sends the hunter flying off the monster and has a long time after you land before you can go back to your neutral state, but that doesn't matter when you can just cancel that out using diving wyvern which has a short cooldown time (I think) AND costs one wirebug. This is why I wanted a new switch skill that replaced SAED, but we got that aerial CSS switch skill instead which I don't actually mind. To bad we're gonna be stuck with whiffing SAED phials and trading blows, at least for those people who want to use the SAED for the rest of sunbreak.

[JPM岩]

Seeing people use the last wirebug move that was in the demo files via mods, CB in SB seems pretty good.
https://youtu.be/-BjfNgje2Tg

[Wookiee]

Charge blade is currently the 3rd best weapons in terms of speedrun dps (solo) So practical? more so than most other weapon :)

[helix]

Absolutely practical. Sounds like you just don't like it.

[DaBa]

Agreed with the rest. Sounds like it's just not your cup of tea. I've killed everything in Rise with Charge Blade and it's absolutely fine, I'd even say it feels like cheating at times when you keep chaining guard points and the silkbind block.

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If you want a comfortable charge blade build in sunbreak your literally looking at 6 - 12 skills needed for that

Also please, stop acting like a meta slave. Are you a speedrunner? Bet you're not, at least not a serious one. Then you literally do not need any armor skill to play the weapon "comfortably". There are literally no mandatory skills for any weapon, unless you are literally a speedrunner and only care to lower your kill time.

I played Charge blade through the whole game, up until killing valstrax, with a thrown together mixed armor set. It had artillery 2, Attack boost 7 and Bludgeon 3. That's it, no rapid morph, no focus, no guard up, load shells, evade extender, whatever you may think you "need". Why? I just didn't want to waste time farming before the endgame so I just threw together a random mixed set that worked with my charm. Did I ever have any problems? No, I first tried every single quest. Then I went to fight apexes and emergency apexes. No longer a first try in most of them, but the only change I made was to swap the charm so I can get evade extender 3. And then I was done. I have also since made the armor set I'd consider to be optimal for my Charge Blade style, and the only meaningful difference is bigger numbers and faster quests. Does the weapon feel way more comfortable now that I have spent dozens of hours farming this armor set? Not really. It's slightly more effective and faster, but it's just as playable and practical as it used to be.

[NizzBizz]

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Agreed with the rest. Sounds like it's just not your cup of tea. I've killed everything in Rise with Charge Blade and it's absolutely fine, I'd even say it feels like cheating at times when you keep chaining guard points and the silkbind block.

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If you want a comfortable charge blade build in sunbreak your literally looking at 6 - 12 skills needed for that

Also please, stop acting like a meta slave. Are you a speedrunner? Bet you're not, at least not a serious one. Then you literally do not need any armor skill to play the weapon "comfortably". There are literally no mandatory skills for any weapon, unless you are literally a speedrunner and only care to lower your kill time.

I played Charge blade through the whole game, up until killing valstrax, with a thrown together mixed armor set. It had artillery 2, Attack boost 7 and Bludgeon 3. That's it, no rapid morph, no focus, no guard up, load shells, evade extender, whatever you may think you "need". Why? I just didn't want to waste time farming before the endgame so I just threw together a random mixed set that worked with my charm. Did I ever have any problems? No, I first tried every single quest. Then I went to fight apexes and emergency apexes. No longer a first try in most of them, but the only change I made was to swap the charm so I can get evade extender 3. And then I was done. I have also since made the armor set I'd consider to be optimal for my Charge Blade style, and the only meaningful difference is bigger numbers and faster quests. Does the weapon feel way more comfortable now that I have spent dozens of hours farming this armor set? Not really. It's slightly more effective and faster, but it's just as playable and practical as it used to be.

Sounds like you've never played charge blade before, besides that you probably didn't read most of what I typed.

I basically said that charge blade has 6 - 12 skills that makes certain aspects less annoying (or comfortable), rapid morph, focus, load shells, partbreaker, slugger and artillery then we got guard, guard up and offensive guard alongside critical boost and weakness exploit and also evade extender if you really want. Look 12 skills right there that I thought up of while typing it, you don't need every skill but if you want to use each aspect of the CB effectively you are at least looking at 6 skills.

Then I said "why is morph slash useless once people get counter morph slash, at least give morph slash the discharge buff and make counter morph slash defensive instead" to sum that up.

THEN I said, SAED'ing sucks because of its hitboxes and HOW long it is to use - which is 3 - 6 seconds... Swaxe's finishing discharge literally latches onto the monster and sends the hunter flying and that takes like 9 seconds entirely I guess, but you can just cancel 3 - 4 seconds of the recoil by using diving wyvern and go right on to the offensive again (you can even use finishing discharge again, also im pretty sure you can finish early).

Then I practically just vented about wanting a replacement for the SAED, if they want to make a old skill like morph slash obsolete then they can make a new one without many cons.

I KNOW charge blade is "practical" but its just so annoying on how its SOOOO skill tax heavy, you practically trade blows with monsters and you can miss OR whiff and the SAED... charge blades bread and butter is annoying to use.

[DaBa]

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Sounds like you've never played charge blade before, besides that you probably didn't read most of what I typed.

The irony of that statement is unreal I literally explained I played the whole game with Charge Blade and explained how I didn't need any of the "needed" skills. I've read your whole comment and I just don't agree with anything you've said, that's all. I don't like using counter morph, the weapon still works just fine without it. No problem using SAED either without getting hit, sounds like a skill issue to me. It's literally faster than Swaxe's ZSD as well so it's easier not to take damage when you use it. But that doesn't matter because weapons are designed to be different, would also complain that Dual Blades have a smaller range than a lance, or that lance can block better than SNS? of course not.

So yeah, it's still a practical weapon, even without any armor skills. The only thing I'd change is to give SAED's hitbox higher, right now it's so short it sometimes misses the monster if it goes between their legs.

[NizzBizz]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από NizzBizz:

Sounds like you've never played charge blade before, besides that you probably didn't read most of what I typed.

The irony of that statement is unreal I literally explained I played the whole game with Charge Blade and explained how I didn't need any of the "needed" skills. I've read your whole comment and I just don't agree with anything you've said, that's all. I don't like using counter morph, the weapon still works just fine without it. No problem using SAED either without getting hit, sounds like a skill issue to me. It's literally faster than Swaxe's ZSD as well so it's easier not to take damage when you use it. But that doesn't matter because weapons are designed to be different, would also complain that Dual Blades have a smaller range than a lance, or that lance can block better than SNS? of course not.

So yeah, it's still a practical weapon, even without any armor skills. The only thing I'd change is to give SAED's hitbox higher, right now it's so short it sometimes misses the monster if it goes between their legs.

Bro what do you think I mean by you probably didn't read most of what I typed, you can of course play CB without the needed armor skills but I doubt its gonna be very fun. OF course you can use SAED or AED without artillery or slugger like how you can use lance without guard. Also with finishing discharge is you cant really miss, you can use it consecutively and shorten the overall time it is to use it. You can literally stop finishing discharge early and go right into diving wyve- well now that I think about it you can technically cancel into AED so NVM that. I wont lie sure it probably is a skill issue, but I can literally play every other weapon around the same or even better.

[DaBa]

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The irony of that statement is unreal I literally explained I played the whole game with Charge Blade and explained how I didn't need any of the "needed" skills. I've read your whole comment and I just don't agree with anything you've said, that's all. I don't like using counter morph, the weapon still works just fine without it. No problem using SAED either without getting hit, sounds like a skill issue to me. It's literally faster than Swaxe's ZSD as well so it's easier not to take damage when you use it. But that doesn't matter because weapons are designed to be different, would also complain that Dual Blades have a smaller range than a lance, or that lance can block better than SNS? of course not.

So yeah, it's still a practical weapon, even without any armor skills. The only thing I'd change is to give SAED's hitbox higher, right now it's so short it sometimes misses the monster if it goes between their legs.

Bro what do you think I mean by you probably didn't read most of what I typed, you can of course play CB without the needed armor skills but I doubt its gonna be very fun. OF course you can use SAED or AED without artillery or slugger like how you can use lance without guard. Also with finishing discharge is you cant really miss, you can use it consecutively and shorten the overall time it is to use it. You can literally stop finishing discharge early and go right into diving wyve- well now that I think about it you can technically cancel into AED so NVM that. I wont lie sure it probably is a skill issue, but I can literally play every other weapon around the same or even better.

> Declares he can play every single weapon without any armor skill just fine
> Claims you have to trade blows to use SAED, despite allegedly knowing how to use the weapon
> Went on a ramble on how you "literally need 6-12 skills to play it comfortably", even though supposedly you can play every weapon without armor skills?

You're contradicting yourself and moving the goalpost. My answer was simple: it's still a practical weapon and your claims don't hold water. That's it, learn to take the L my dude, or just ignore me if you find it so hard.

[NizzBizz]

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Bro what do you think I mean by you probably didn't read most of what I typed, you can of course play CB without the needed armor skills but I doubt its gonna be very fun. OF course you can use SAED or AED without artillery or slugger like how you can use lance without guard. Also with finishing discharge is you cant really miss, you can use it consecutively and shorten the overall time it is to use it. You can literally stop finishing discharge early and go right into diving wyve- well now that I think about it you can technically cancel into AED so NVM that. I wont lie sure it probably is a skill issue, but I can literally play every other weapon around the same or even better.

> Declares he can play every single weapon without any armor skill just fine
> Claims you have to trade blows to use SAED, despite allegedly knowing how to use the weapon
> Went on a ramble on how you "literally need 6-12 skills to play it comfortably", even though supposedly you can play every weapon without armor skills?

You're contradicting yourself and moving the goalpost. My answer was simple: it's still a practical weapon and your claims don't hold water. That's it, learn to take the L my dude, or just ignore me if you find it so hard.

Jesus man you really don't read.

>I said yeah, you can play charge blade without any armor skills but I said it wouldn't be very fun. Then I said you can SAED without artillery or slugger like how you can play lance without guard.

>I know I have to trade blows with monsters when I try to use SAED I DO, which is why I said "sure it might be a skill issue". But I cant really do anything about that because there isn't a set I can build to do that, unless I build around CSS.

>I said I can play every other weapon about the same or better then charge blade, I never said I could without armor skills.

My claims do hold water just because I'm worse at CB then you obviously doesn't invalidate my opinion. Me being able to play every other weapon and not really have many problems with it besides LS really, is a valid point. Besides that there wasn't anything wrong with charge blade in world, hit boxes were good, damage was ok, sure it was OP but the charge blade is literally a weapon built around armor skills.