Any tier list available?

[MerongMerong]

Hello everyone, I am just a newbie that just fell in love with this game.
Is there any tier list out there, just to know basically which heroes are good or bad?
Thank you!

[Hootless Tyrell]

It's pretty subjective and it all depends on what items and relics and origin and other heroes you get in your run. Usually heroes work better in specific roles within your comp (tank, damage, etc). That being said, I can give some of my opinions off the top of my head (I'm biased towards what has worked for me so I haven't equally experimented with all of the cast).

I would consider all of the listed heroes to be 'good' and ones that I frequently pick

S (build around if you get): Leuko (makes heroes that can take advantage of attack damage move up tiers too), Giachi
S- (usually include to any comp): Flynn
A: Ruhn, Emily, Ralph, Zoe (better with more melee heroes), Pyro (only with lots of burn)
B: Orion, Zogg, Kris, Jalen

[Hootless Tyrell]

Just looked at the cast and have some additions

A: Eslo (only with lots of frost)
B: Arya, Naka, Kara

F: James, Terros

But I encourage you to experiment and eventually you can decide for yourself

[david.guyueyi]

I would say the synergy matters

[Forgotten Arbiter]

Some heroes are really good early on but fall off later in the game, so you want to swap them out. Some heroes do absolutely nothing early game, but become beastly with the right synergies. Some are just good at all stages, and a couple just never really fit in.

The heroes that I most enjoy having all game long include: Gerald, Leuko, Zephys, and Giachi.

The heroes that I completely avoid include: Nyria, Silas, Nox, Karina, Okhar, and Terros.

Some decent early game heroes that tend to fall off include Layla, Kasara, Flynn, Alaric, and Kara.

Some heroes that suck early on but will absolutely destroy the enemy late game in the right comp include James, Pyro, Azura, and Dagon.

Most heroes are somewhere in the middle.

[Ice-Nine]

Don't know if it's worth making a tier list at this point anyway.

The game is fun, but quite frankly the hero balance is horrible. I expect it will change a lot over the coming weeks/months/years. It's going to take a while for the game to be stable enough for a tier list to make sense.

[Nylk]

Tbh I feel like lot of the power comes from synergies from items, relics, passives and origins. Most heroes can end up super strong depending on the circumstances. It’s just that some of them tend to get easier to build than others. I would recommend to just try and experiment with different heroes and synergies to get your own opinion

[hyfe]

My goto has Joanna + Some healing (Zogg often) + Okhar (wolf-guy) + More summons or whatever. The more spell power every 3 seconds for summons is really nice on act 3 for higher difficulties.

[Postman Pat]

I think the only "clear" SSSS giga chad champ is probably Leuko. Omnicrit out of the gate and he scales your entire team just by existing? Even if your heroes aren't doing attack damage as a focus (although, with Leuko, you should probably have at least one guy capitalizing on that) it's still really good. Everyone is always auto attacking.

The only "probably not that good" champs are Nyria and Celeste. They really need some kind of effect on top of what they have already. Nyria's passive does NOT make her tanky enough on its own and Celeste, while theoretically strong, takes up a whole party slot when you could just give someone a +3 book or an ogre axe.

I think if you hit surge items they could be really strong, and I really really like the surge system despite not having much success with it yet (and hope some other systems like it get added) but it needs a bit more love imo.

Oh, maybe also near the bottom of the list is Rose. If her ability was changed to "just hits all allies" like Jaden's ability I think she'd be better.

[Nylk]

Originally posted by Postman Pat:

I think the only "clear" SSSS giga chad champ is probably Leuko. Omnicrit out of the gate and he scales your entire team just by existing? Even if your heroes aren't doing attack damage as a focus (although, with Leuko, you should probably have at least one guy capitalizing on that) it's still really good. Everyone is always auto attacking.

The only "probably not that good" champs are Nyria and Celeste. They really need some kind of effect on top of what they have already. Nyria's passive does NOT make her tanky enough on its own and Celeste, while theoretically strong, takes up a whole party slot when you could just give someone a +3 book or an ogre axe.

I think if you hit surge items they could be really strong, and I really really like the surge system despite not having much success with it yet (and hope some other systems like it get added) but it needs a bit more love imo.

Oh, maybe also near the bottom of the list is Rose. If her ability was changed to "just hits all allies" like Jaden's ability I think she'd be better.

Gonna have to disagree. I think leuko is really strong but I also think most people would consider Giachi to be SSS. Also celeste and Nyria are really good. Nyria can tank super well with the right items and in particular if you stack mana regen as she scales both hp and def really fast. Celeste with enough mana regen and / or omnicrit can basically scale your whole team on her own.

[AncientSpark]

Originally posted by Postman Pat:

I think the only "clear" SSSS giga chad champ is probably Leuko. Omnicrit out of the gate and he scales your entire team just by existing? Even if your heroes aren't doing attack damage as a focus (although, with Leuko, you should probably have at least one guy capitalizing on that) it's still really good. Everyone is always auto attacking.

The only "probably not that good" champs are Nyria and Celeste. They really need some kind of effect on top of what they have already. Nyria's passive does NOT make her tanky enough on its own and Celeste, while theoretically strong, takes up a whole party slot when you could just give someone a +3 book or an ogre axe.

I think if you hit surge items they could be really strong, and I really really like the surge system despite not having much success with it yet (and hope some other systems like it get added) but it needs a bit more love imo.

Oh, maybe also near the bottom of the list is Rose. If her ability was changed to "just hits all allies" like Jaden's ability I think she'd be better.

Celeste is commonly cited as one of the strongest end-game heroes. Using her allows you to largely ignore mana regen on other heroes, there are certain heroes that have low enough cast time or attack style spells that it's hard to cap mana regen on them even with Celeste, and there are lots of mana regen abuses, such as Sage's Pipe or Psychic Knife setups. She is usually worth more than 3 items worth of buffs on every other character in the game if done correctly, and also has funny outs to Omnicrit. Her main issue is that she's awful early game (she's pretty untakable Act 1), but there's a reason why she had to be nerfed a few patches ago.

Nyria is probably a bit more fair as kind of a bad hero, as she is extremely narrow, requiring high mana regen, some Surge payoffs, and maybe Omnicrit. There are ways to snowball her into immortality or huge damage outs, it's just very very narrow, and she also has a pretty poor early game as well.

[Postman Pat]

Yeah I can see Celeste being wild endgame, but you have to basically high roll to get there. She is incredibly weak on her own, and needs a complete team setup in order to hit that "dream potential." This makes her, imo, very weak. But it depends what you're rating for. I'm rating more toward consistent performance and chain-wins, not "theoretical max power."

Compare Celeste to, say, Layla, who you can slap a just a Helmet on and she will tank 4 mobs the entire game without you doing anything else. Or Atreos who, with a mana dagger or a little mana regen, will tank 50% of the game on his own while also applying AOE burn to everything. These two champs have lower high roll potential than Celeste, surely, but just as a unit with nothing else going on, absolutely dumpster her. So as far as consistent performance and win-streaking would go, I would never recommend Celeste or Nyria - at least not as starting pieces. They are tantalising bait for a high roll you will likely not see.

[Nylk]

Originally posted by Postman Pat:

Yeah I can see Celeste being wild endgame, but you have to basically high roll to get there. She is incredibly weak on her own, and needs a complete team setup in order to hit that "dream potential." This makes her, imo, very weak. But it depends what you're rating for. I'm rating more toward consistent performance and chain-wins, not "theoretical max power."

Compare Celeste to, say, Layla, who you can slap a just a Helmet on and she will tank 4 mobs the entire game without you doing anything else. Or Atreos who, with a mana dagger or a little mana regen, will tank 50% of the game on his own while also applying AOE burn to everything. These two champs have lower high roll potential than Celeste, surely, but just as a unit with nothing else going on, absolutely dumpster her. So as far as consistent performance and win-streaking would go, I would never recommend Celeste or Nyria - at least not as starting pieces. They are tantalising bait for a high roll you will likely not see.

Again it depends what content you are doing. If your goal is to just win, you arr looking for consistency however if your goal is to go as far as you can in endless mode you are gonna need character with high potential and celeste is definitely one of them.

[Postman Pat]

Originally posted by Nylk:

Originally posted by Postman Pat:

Yeah I can see Celeste being wild endgame...

Again it depends what content you are doing. If your goal is to just win, you arr looking for consistency however if your goal is to go as far as you can in endless mode you are gonna need character with high potential and celeste is definitely one of them.

Surely. But this post is "I am just a newbie that just fell in love with this game" and not "what are the Endless Mode theoretical high roll min/max picks."

[Nylk]

Good point, in that case heroes like giachi, leuko might be a good start. But tbh I just encourage to try out many heroes and different comps. Especially in the first levels of difficulty, I do not feel like a tier list is relevant. Start by trying simple concepts like stacking only heroes with frost or burn or shock debuffs for instance. That way you can discover more heroes

[Dirain]

I think this has a lot to do with what you are trying to do. I have been running Nyria in almost every comp including flame master endless up to floor 20. I think Nyria is the most consistent of the tanks. She is very easy to go infinite with. If you want Nyria to carry, she is going to need one item to turn HP or defense into damage. Aside form that she just needs mana regeneration.

Giachi is still better because he returns really good damage without needing damage items. That said, I see my Gaichi die in <1sec more often than Nyria.