Anyone doing Alphabetician? What stats about?

[FenrirAdra]

I can grind pretty much everything else reasonably well, but the new Alphabetician is... frustrating.

I have PLENTY of Health from the a conversion that it can't kill me, or it'd take months for it to do it.

My b% is at 76.7Qi - but this "feels low".

Working on getting the Theory Combo multiplier boosted, and the Battle XP combo multiplier too; but in about 5 minutes I can get up to 150k% combo mult on 10x nuke; and that's still not doing any damage (only about 8Oc on super crits, while it has 10No def; this'll take a while).

Anyone else having success against it, what kind of stats do you have for b, f, g?

[Mordtziel]

To quote another player from about a week ago...

After a few days of farming variables I'm currently doing 7.88 nonillion damage to alphabetician, and with my attack speed and combo multiplier it's currently taking me about 2.5 seconds per 10x nuke mode 10x scavenger mode kill. But a few days ago before farming variables it took me like 5-10 minutes to beat it once.

[Porky Minch]

Can confirm what Mordtziel quoted because I am the quotee. Right now my b is at 5.21Dc while my super crit rate and damage are at 20% and 7.99Dc. Basically all that matters is b.

If you plan to go for alphabetician I would recommend you focus purely on farming b1 and b2 from beta and varman. I think my b was around a few hundred octodecillion before I even considered farming alphabetician for attack speed 3. The past few days I've been going between farming b and AS3 since farming one makes farming makes farming the other more efficient. Also make sure to level up the simple yellow spiral design's active effect, as that will increase your attack by a good amount. I've also noticed that it's better for the main spiral than the blue dotted line spiral design, probably due to the exponent on b.

If trying to farm b in the first place is way to slow you may need to farm gamma for more attack speed 1.

And a general tip is to make sure you're up to date on all the challenges and make sure you're tornado prestieging whenever you can for the bonus attack speed. For reference I'm currently at T139.

[Goober]

Originally posted by Porky Minch:

Can confirm what Mordtziel quoted because I am the quotee. Right now my b is at 5.21Dc while my super crit rate and damage are at 20% and 7.99Dc. Basically all that matters is b.

If you plan to go for alphabetician I would recommend you focus purely on farming b1 and b2 from beta and varman. I think my b was around a few hundred octodecillion before I even considered farming alphabetician for attack speed 3. The past few days I've been going between farming b and AS3 since farming one makes farming makes farming the other more efficient. Also make sure to level up the simple yellow spiral design's active effect, as that will increase your attack by a good amount. I've also noticed that it's better for the main spiral than the blue dotted line spiral design, probably due to the exponent on b.

If trying to farm b in the first place is way to slow you may need to farm gamma for more attack speed 1.

And a general tip is to make sure you're up to date on all the challenges and make sure you're tornado prestieging whenever you can for the bonus attack speed. For reference I'm currently at T139.

Octodecillion or Octillion? It feels like Octodecillion isn't even possible for like 3 updates.

[Flem]

I think the best is to increase your speed, increase b and increase your combo a bit with spiral equation. You can get a spiral equation that upgrade you b from Alphabetician which will be usefull.

So i would do spiral equation : combo and farm varman. The new bonus of 1% speed for each tornado after 100 has a big impact at the beginning.

Like that you got combo, b and speed increased at the same time.

After this worked for me but it depend on where you are in the game.

[Mordtziel]

Just a hundred octiliion huh...alright...so at my current rate of farming Varman...that'd take...about 2,225 years. Welp...better get started I guess...

[Porky Minch]

Originally posted by Goober | T.I.D.K:

Octodecillion or Octillion? It feels like Octodecillion isn't even possible for like 3 updates.

Meant octillion, sorry. I have no idea if octodecillion b is even possible in the current version of the game, lol.

[Goober]

Originally posted by Porky Minch:

Originally posted by Goober | T.I.D.K:

Octodecillion or Octillion? It feels like Octodecillion isn't even possible for like 3 updates.

Meant octillion, sorry. I have no idea if octodecillion b is even possible in the current version of the game, lol.

Me neither, I'm only at T95.

[Mordtziel]

Alright so I'm guessing the hundred octillion meant in the fight, not in the main spiral. I can clear Alphabetician now after spending a day farming b2 and another day farming b, both from Varman. This gave me about 59Sx% in the Parameters. Combined with T-127, that gives me about 150Sp in the main spiral and 114Oc in the fight.

EDIT: Figured out that you get the exponent from the professor challenges in the battle. Which explains how it gets to the 113Oc from 150Sp since you'll have 1.11 b-exponent with the first professor challenge completed.

[Porky Minch]

That's why I said to make sure you're up to date on all the challenges :P

Anyway after reaching about 90Dc attack (using the yellow spiral) and can one-hit alphabetician, about 10 hours ago I decided I'd that I should try farming some attack speed 3 with 10k nuke 30M scavenger mode. But since there's a single b3 in the past 10 hours I've gone all the way up to 2.15Ud. I haven't tried pushing the reward multiplier up with my new attack but I probably should. At this point I already feel like combo multiplier is now useless for alphabetician and only still useful for F (since my attack there is still only at 29 and it'll take a long time to surpass its 50 defense). Heck, after typing the last part of this comment my alphabetician damage is now at 2.23Ud.

[Mordtziel]

lol jesus, you have some monstrous mods now. How much attack speed3 are ya up to now?

[Porky Minch]

It's currently at 568%, but shortly after my previous message I changed to farming other stuff instead. Currently getting tons of the other variables from alphabetician.

[crazyabe111]

I'm Currently running cycles of 10'000 Alphabetician, Nuke/scav is set to 50 x 10'000- attack speed is at 0.05.

[eishiya]

For the impatient who don't want to farm octillions of b before taking on Alphabetician: I've reached what feels like a reasonable time to kill to start getting some rewards, though obviously not good enough for effective farming. It takes me about 5 minutes to start doing damage, and about 20 minutes total to kill, at Nuke x1000.
My stats:
b: 7.25Sp^1.11
b parameter gain: +3.28Sx%
Wearing Simple Yellow design with upgrade Lv. 23, for an additional 43%-ish)
Combo: Roughly 60% per Nuke x1000 attack, at about +860K% total by the end
Time to attack: about 0.087 at Nuke x1000

So, if you just want to kill it a few times before you're ready to farm it and want some numbers to aim for, hopefully this helps.

Edit: A few weeks later, at about 8Sp% parameter gain and 8-shotting Alphabetician at Nuke 1000 with the Simple Yellow design (Lv 45, +126%), I took a few hours to farm Attack Speed 3 at Nuke 1000, Scavenger 1000, going from about 3% to 300%, where diminishing returns begin. Well worth the time despite the farming feeling slow, as farming VarMan is significantly faster now.
I also got all the equations, including Kolmogorov, quite a while back through just occasional brief Alphabetician sessions.

[Mordtziel]

To add onto beginning farm information...
10k/1: ~536s
1k/10: ~380s
1k/1: ~37s
100/10: ~125s

1k nuke should be your go-to until you're able to clear without combo. As for your scavenge, well that's up to you on how much you want from current reward list. Your early goal is unlocking Bernhard Bolzano (equation XXII). Once unlocked, level it up as high as you realistically can. It will dramatically help with farming. But you should probably retreat back to Varman for more b and b2 afterwards.

EDIT: Also if someone wouldn't mind passing the suggestion to the developer: As you loot the equations from Alphabetician, instead of just being removed from the loot table, they should be replaced by normal loot (inspiration, fragments, etc).

[FenrirAdra]

Came back and I've managed to clear it on 10nuke/1scav, like Mordtziel's post in the other thread, just grinded a-g in Varman for a day or two, and then it took a couple minutes to let combo build up to actually clear it.

Currently though, I think i'm a bit behind the curve on Quirk farming (more out of trying to clear the 39501 professor challenge on F - getting a ton of XP to max out the battle upgrades will help, and the rest of pushing up/maxing out the Theory upgrades from Gaussian souls will help).

Took until around 5.0Sx on b for the first kill just to get the initial unlock on the "just clear a difficulty" equation.