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Raptor 2024 年 2 月 1 日 上午 6:21
How to kill enemy after Super PI?
I have no idea what is his name, that strange "f" or something. But I can't figure out battle stats.
My ATK shows Log451 = 13.60 against his DEF 50.00
My DEF shows Log451 = 12.75 against his ATK 1e45
It is really strange for me - 12.75 vs 1e45???
最后由 Raptor 编辑于; 2024 年 2 月 1 日 上午 6:21
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eishiya 2024 年 2 月 1 日 上午 7:00 
Get more Non-Raid Debuff to reduce the log number, which will raise your stats.
Perhaps more importantly, get higher Combo, which will increase your attack on successive attacks, and more Attack Speed. Eventually, with a low non-raid debuff effect and a long enough combo, you'll start doing damage to the enemy.

F attacks slowly, so the idea is that you're able to combo it enough times at a high enough attack speed to kill it before it kills you. Also, your health is untouched by its debuff, so by the time you're ready to fight it, you'll be able to tank some hits.

Before 2.6.0, F was easier because the Multiattack multiplier was applied to your calculated attack rather than before the log, but now, you really have to work on getting that Combo up and its debuff down. It's still perfectly beatable though, I'm just now reaching the point where I can kill it in 2.6 :D For reference, my regular combat stats are around e47, NRD is around 24%, and all my combo upgrades are from the Spiral Equation and Theory, I don't have any from the Theory upgrade yet.

Edit: Because Combo needs Nuke Mode, Math Skill/Math Skill 2 are also very helpful, to make sure using Nuke Mode doesn't increase F's stats too much. You'll probably be farming Quantum Quirk a long time (for stats, Math Skill 2, and Fragments) before you're ready for F.
最后由 eishiya 编辑于; 2024 年 2 月 1 日 下午 12:03
Mordtziel 2024 年 2 月 1 日 下午 12:21 
Above post is more or less correct, but I'll give you an additional checklist...
  • Math Skill Soft Capped (90%)
  • Math Skill2 Soft Capped (90%, totaling 99%)
  • Non-Raid Debuff Effect Upgrades capped (<25%)
  • At least SxD (e51) atk/def/hp.
  • 100k% Rare Drop Rate
  • At least 20 levels in Fibonacci Theory (combo) and 2 levels of Theory Upgrade 20
  • Time to attack under 2 seconds when using Nuke Mode 1k (must use nuke to combo).
You can clear it earlier than this (e46, nuke10x) for the equation (combo), but you'll want at least these stats to farm it well enough to reach into diminishing returns on LPM (rare) and grabbing some RDR2 (uncommon). Long term farm is still quite a bit higher than that (mostly more attack speed and combo).
Raptor 2024 年 2 月 1 日 下午 12:57 
Seems it takes so long to get fragments to update Non-Raid Debuff. I'm not able to farm Quantum Quirk. Got fragments only from Theory. Is there any other way I missed?
My debuf is 45% now.
最后由 Raptor 编辑于; 2024 年 2 月 1 日 下午 12:57
Mordtziel 2024 年 2 月 1 日 下午 1:11 
引用自 Raptor
Seems it takes so long to get fragments to update Non-Raid Debuff. I'm not able to farm Quantum Quirk. Got fragments only from Theory. Is there any other way I missed?
Fragment Farm Rank
S - QuantumQuirk
A - Li
B - Fibanomnom (Softcapped)
C - Super Pi
D - Pentangle, Varman
F - Napier, Gamma, Pi, Beta, Alpha, Training
N/A - Alphabetician

Keep in mind how far you can take difficulty and loot. Pythagorean Theorem and Theory Upgrade 11 will also have a large effect on how much you can farm.
Jerry 2024 年 2 月 1 日 下午 1:30 
引用自 Raptor
I'm not able to farm Quantum Quirk.

Get into this one step by step. Make sure, you already got enough Math Skill 1 from Pentangle to bring you to 90% reduction (in the left column). Then cycle through QQ, until you find one with a Math Skill 2 and use the highest regular Scavenger Mode (if you have not unlocked this one yet, farm Gamma for Attack Speed). Keep going, until it defeats you, then reduce Scavenger to a rate, where you can defeat it in one hit for another few levels. Even if you can only get it down once in the beginning, this will quickly pile up.
Repeat the process, until you get to... don't know, level 200 maybe, then change for autofarming.
Mordtziel 2024 年 2 月 1 日 下午 2:08 
Can't remember what Math Skill 1 softcaps at, but it's pretty low (1-10m?). Math Skill 2 softcaps somewhere around 400-450m. However, early on, every 3-5m has a tremendous effect on how far you can push.
Jerry 2024 年 2 月 2 日 上午 7:52 
I just noticed, that the last Professor III challenge is to defeat [f] (and not, as I thought, Super Pi) on Root values. At the point, I am at currently, I can't quite imagine how this will be possible...
Goober 2024 年 2 月 2 日 上午 8:35 
Your probably going to need, atleast, like, QaVg+ attack, just to get even near it.
Clubs Deuce 2024 年 2 月 2 日 下午 12:48 
on a similar note, anyone close to killing alphabetician within a sane time frame? At my current level it feels completely unfathomable.
Mordtziel 2024 年 2 月 2 日 下午 12:59 
I won't presume these last two to be completely impossible. But I wouldn't be surprised if nobody is clearing either yet. Between the root and log effects for the challenge, it seems pretty impossible. For Alphabetician, you would need an absurd amount of parameters and combo running for quite some time.

They seem pretty out there, but any time I straight up call something impossible/insane, someone usually comes along and is like "nah, I've been doing 100x more than that for months" or something.
Porky Minch 2024 年 2 月 3 日 上午 12:28 
After a few days of farming variables I'm currently doing 7.88 nonillion damage to alphabetician, and with my attack speed and combo multiplier it's currently taking me about 2.5 seconds per 10x nuke mode 10x scavenger mode kill. But a few days ago before farming variables it took me like 5-10 minutes to beat it once.

But I had already farmed F a bit before the new update, so I've got almost +1k loot progress multiplier. I couldn't imagine reaching my current point within any decent timeframe without being able to level up theory as much as I have.
Mordtziel 2024 年 2 月 3 日 上午 2:04 
But I had already farmed F a bit before the new update, so I've got almost +1k loot progress multiplier. I couldn't imagine reaching my current point within any decent timeframe without being able to level up theory as much as I have.
It's not as if farming Li is impossible now. I farmed up 321% after the patch before deciding to change priorities. Curiousity though, how high are your theorems?
Porky Minch 2024 年 2 月 3 日 上午 2:14 
Pythag is currently level 62k, square sum is 99, and archimedes (my current lowest theory) is 46.
The main issue I see is that building non-raid debuff and combo multiplier requires a lot of loot drops, but to farm loot drops you now need high non-raid debuff and/or a high combo, meaning slowing one slows down both, slowing down the one even more.
Mordtziel 2024 年 2 月 3 日 上午 2:18 
Well, excluding Pythag (171), you're about twice as many theorem levels as I am atm. Interesting.
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Pulski 2024 年 2 月 3 日 下午 7:09 
引用自 Jerry
I just noticed, that the last Professor III challenge is to defeat [f] (and not, as I thought, Super Pi) on Root values. At the point, I am at currently, I can't quite imagine how this will be possible...
Need to hit e90 Att/Def/HP to even start. I'm at e60 and keeping hope alive. xD
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