few hours and i am already out

[S-Ranked Detective]

I litrally played the game for only a few hours. And i am already bored. Its simply not intresting the weaponry and upgrades are not intresting the combat is not intresting and clunky even to a certain degree you cant inspect other players to see what they wear or have to have a reference and u need to pay for orbs to port to different places instantly without going a round about way which is also ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ i recommend no1 to play this game.

[NightStar]

S-Ranked Detective huh??? I wouldn't call you that. You haven't done alot of detective work clearly by your own words. It takes more than a few hours to do any good detective work.
Let me help you out alittle bit. First do like any real gamer does, look at online guides. Even the old ones can shine light on this game, how it works, different builds, various items to get, ETC. Do some real detective work. Playing for a few hours isn't going to cut it.

Combat isn't clunky. It's designed a specific way. Once you learn it, you would realize combat in Toram is not meant to be like other games. It's primarily about knowing when to dodge and, for tanks, when to block. The old stand there and take the hits and let your stats do the work formula you see in other games doesn't work here.
Likewise weaponry and upgrades take alot of work too. Xtals are hard to get and building your first character when you have so little Spina (in game currency) is the hardest part of the game.
Teleport tickets can be acquired from the orb shop or from some events. You don't need orbs from the cash shop to succeed but it does require alot of work and boss farming to get the best stuff. The game centers the economy around having to form parties and farm bosses for hours to get the rare drops like Xtals to either use or sell.
Inspecting other players to see what they have would be pointless as the appearance of gear is often overwritten with other gears appearances and all player made equipment has access to the same stats regardless of appearance. It depends on the player who made it as to what stats it has so before you buy, you have to look at the stats on an item to know what your getting. Some gear doesn't even have stats because the player made it but didn't use it's potential to grant it stats. Another nuance of crafting in Toram. Potential points and the crafter's skills allow them to attach stats to and player made item. Once the Potential points are used, no more stats can be added.

[Ducky]

Originally posted by NightStar:

S-Ranked Detective huh??? I wouldn't call you that. You haven't done alot of detective work clearly by your own words. It takes more than a few hours to do any good detective work.
Let me help you out alittle bit. First do like any real gamer does, look at online guides. Even the old ones can shine light on this game, how it works, different builds, various items to get, ETC. Do some real detective work. Playing for a few hours isn't going to cut it.

Combat isn't clunky. It's designed a specific way. Once you learn it, you would realize combat in Toram is not meant to be like other games. It's primarily about knowing when to dodge and, for tanks, when to block. The old stand there and take the hits and let your stats do the work formula you see in other games doesn't work here.
Likewise weaponry and upgrades take alot of work too. Xtals are hard to get and building your first character when you have so little Spina (in game currency) is the hardest part of the game.
Teleport tickets can be acquired from the orb shop or from some events. You don't need orbs from the cash shop to succeed but it does require alot of work and boss farming to get the best stuff. The game centers the economy around having to form parties and farm bosses for hours to get the rare drops like Xtals to either use or sell.
Inspecting other players to see what they have would be pointless as the appearance of gear is often overwritten with other gears appearances and all player made equipment has access to the same stats regardless of appearance. It depends on the player who made it as to what stats it has so before you buy, you have to look at the stats on an item to know what your getting. Some gear doesn't even have stats because the player made it but didn't use it's potential to grant it stats. Another nuance of crafting in Toram. Potential points and the crafter's skills allow them to attach stats to and player made item. Once the Potential points are used, no more stats can be added.

All of this is true, the first character in Toram is not when you play toram, the third or fourth character is. First characters are often used as a throwaway for getting certain emblems and also unlokcing combos, whereas second characters for me are always mob farmers, the third character i'd start using as a DPS or Tank for actually playing the game, though tanks dont really shine till like the later part of the game.

Originally posted by S-Ranked Detective:

I litrally played the game for only a few hours. And i am already bored. Its simply not intresting the weaponry and upgrades are not intresting the combat is not intresting and clunky even to a certain degree you cant inspect other players to see what they wear or have to have a reference and u need to pay for orbs to port to different places instantly without going a round about way which is also ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ i recommend no1 to play this game.

You can try to bruteforce the game with your first character, but i guarantee you wont enjoy it as you will be lacking so many skill/stat points from emblems alone and i doubt anyone would know what to allocate the points in on their first character. Also I dont think OP has even unlocked Combos yet. Combos are the main thing about combat.

I dont blame anyone for disliking how the game is set, its not for everyone.

[Ranked Fap Hero]

Originally posted by NightStar:

S-Ranked Detective huh??? I wouldn't call you that. You haven't done alot of detective work clearly by your own words. It takes more than a few hours to do any good detective work.
Let me help you out alittle bit. First do like any real gamer does, look at online guides. Even the old ones can shine light on this game, how it works, different builds, various items to get, ETC. Do some real detective work. Playing for a few hours isn't going to cut it.

Combat isn't clunky. It's designed a specific way. Once you learn it, you would realize combat in Toram is not meant to be like other games. It's primarily about knowing when to dodge and, for tanks, when to block. The old stand there and take the hits and let your stats do the work formula you see in other games doesn't work here.
Likewise weaponry and upgrades take alot of work too. Xtals are hard to get and building your first character when you have so little Spina (in game currency) is the hardest part of the game.
Teleport tickets can be acquired from the orb shop or from some events. You don't need orbs from the cash shop to succeed but it does require alot of work and boss farming to get the best stuff. The game centers the economy around having to form parties and farm bosses for hours to get the rare drops like Xtals to either use or sell.
Inspecting other players to see what they have would be pointless as the appearance of gear is often overwritten with other gears appearances and all player made equipment has access to the same stats regardless of appearance. It depends on the player who made it as to what stats it has so before you buy, you have to look at the stats on an item to know what your getting. Some gear doesn't even have stats because the player made it but didn't use it's potential to grant it stats. Another nuance of crafting in Toram. Potential points and the crafter's skills allow them to attach stats to and player made item. Once the Potential points are used, no more stats can be added.

Its fine if you like the game, but that doesnt make it a good game lol

time gated grinding with a low skill ceiling, this is far from my first rodeo

[GREY]

If you play Toram, you either want a mobile MMO, or you've invested so much time into toram, you wouldent be equal in power in annother game,

[S-Ranked Detective]

Originally posted by NightStar:

S-Ranked Detective huh??? I wouldn't call you that. You haven't done alot of detective work clearly by your own words. It takes more than a few hours to do any good detective work.
Let me help you out alittle bit. First do like any real gamer does, look at online guides. Even the old ones can shine light on this game, how it works, different builds, various items to get, ETC. Do some real detective work. Playing for a few hours isn't going to cut it.

Combat isn't clunky. It's designed a specific way. Once you learn it, you would realize combat in Toram is not meant to be like other games. It's primarily about knowing when to dodge and, for tanks, when to block. The old stand there and take the hits and let your stats do the work formula you see in other games doesn't work here.
Likewise weaponry and upgrades take alot of work too. Xtals are hard to get and building your first character when you have so little Spina (in game currency) is the hardest part of the game.
Teleport tickets can be acquired from the orb shop or from some events. You don't need orbs from the cash shop to succeed but it does require alot of work and boss farming to get the best stuff. The game centers the economy around having to form parties and farm bosses for hours to get the rare drops like Xtals to either use or sell.
Inspecting other players to see what they have would be pointless as the appearance of gear is often overwritten with other gears appearances and all player made equipment has access to the same stats regardless of appearance. It depends on the player who made it as to what stats it has so before you buy, you have to look at the stats on an item to know what your getting. Some gear doesn't even have stats because the player made it but didn't use it's potential to grant it stats. Another nuance of crafting in Toram. Potential points and the crafter's skills allow them to attach stats to and player made item. Once the Potential points are used, no more stats can be added.

your just butthurt because no1 is ever playing this trash with so many beter games out there

[S-Ranked Detective]

Originally posted by Niddy:

If you play Toram, you either want a mobile MMO, or you've invested so much time into toram, you wouldent be equal in power in annother game,

its one of those games where the only people that are playing this is out of nostalgia of the past and they are simply stuck in it no1 of the current generation will invest a hour in this trash game and i am supprised that i even spend a few hours in this game with so many new and good games comming out right now the entire time its safe to say that this game is a 1 out of 10

[</>]

Honestly? Good choice. While the game is fun for a few hours, it doesn't work for the long run despite that being the point of mmorpgs anyway.

Later on you end up seeing how shallow it is with endless grinding, ruined markets (by gold sellers and scammers), and the sea of scammers being a common occurrence... In a game where trading plays a massive part in your growth, very likely you run into scammers more than any game (whether that's face 2 face or on the board)
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Yes, you can still technically do it all yourself, take my advice as someone that did try it; it ain't fun.
Unless you're a masochist or one of those people who like playing 12 different characters to be self-sufficient.. at that point, just play a single player game that wouldn't milk you lol.
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It's a mixture of people who sunk so much time/money & those who live & breath through this games' economy (gold sellers)+(scammers)

Game's fun for a bit of mindless grinds, but that's really it. Treating it like a proper mmorpg will be a mistake.
I always check up on it from time to time cause while I did enjoy what little fun I had in it, the shock of the community just left a strong impression on me.

Anyone who denies the scammer & ruined economy issues, just check the community servers for this game, blacklists bigger than the server itself, constant toxicity towards new people in a game where a small mistake can cost you money, and a strong sense of accomplishment (by buying spina lol)

Have never seen this much goldselling, scamming, toxicity, and terrible management in like, forever.
Such a shame, too. Game has some cute outfits and neat class ideas but executed poorly due to the driving force of "pay more money for basic functions" at the helm.

It's not all bad of course, met some decent apples here n' there, but they're few & far.
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TL;DR
either you join the spina buyers, toxic people, and scammers alike (bonus points if you sunk too much and can't leave the game)
or
you sell your account and move on.

[lensmoor]

S-Ranked Detective? Not much detective work on your end bud. You are C-Ranked tops.

[PewkiMark]

imagine a detective only investigate for "few hours" and say the investigation is complete.

[Yehi'Or]

It's funny how people are commenting more on OP's name. :D
Anyway, all points are valid (both from OP and the commenters). The game is fun for me, because I already spent lots of hours on it. I'm not good with the game, nor my characters are strong, but I don't shy away from grinding. Really. I just play the game to doze off to sleep, and style my in-game character to my liking. and it gets the job done. points for extra Nostalgia. But if you are a new-gen player, then you probably don't really belong to games like these. (try that AAA graphics game with auto-everything and bouncing bewbs physics)

I also spent $0 on the game, yet still enjoy the premium benefits. (lots of cash items are free on events, or if you spend them wisely) I've played this game on and off for years, and everytime I take a few months break, I create another character. LOL. I play to have fun, not so that I can have something to show for. But that's just my experience.

But you better turn off shout chat. Lots of scammers there. Play it like a singleplayer with random party system instead. And if you join a good guild - all the better.

[76561199511347321]

Originally posted by S-Ranked Detective:

Originally posted by Niddy:

If you play Toram, you either want a mobile MMO, or you've invested so much time into toram, you wouldent be equal in power in annother game,

its one of those games where the only people that are playing this is out of nostalgia of the past and they are simply stuck in it no1 of the current generation will invest a hour in this trash game and i am supprised that i even spend a few hours in this game with so many new and good games comming out right now the entire time its safe to say that this game is a 1 out of 10

I am not against you at all but 1/10 and trash is exaggeration.

Also can you tell me about the better upcoming games, i am tired of trash games and all new games are trash, i am surprised that someone onows about good games AND upcoming good games

Can you suggest any better game?
It will be better if the game had good combat mechanics, tons of skills and classes and finaly no gacha sh!ty transactions.

Btw nice pfp

[76561199511347321]

Originally posted by S-Ranked Detective:

I personally like toram because i played it when younger, and the world is beautiful, all the skills and the classless system is nice .

Combat is clunky but when fighting end game bosses it is really great.

Cute and funny events, cute character Customization, cool looking avatars (outfits, like skins in other games).

The crafting system is hard, the economy is not that good.

Actually it ruined the MMORPG genre to me, I thought that this is how MMORPG should be, even though it is not good, this is what i expect from any MMORPG.

But it is great game to play with friends and you can have a piece of land where you build a house, you can just chill in the game, farming is very grindy, and you can't just chat in game while griding because chat messages is very limited.

But what i realy like about this game is mainly the classless system and then idea of player based economy system. And a little bit the combat system.

Here what fighting bosses look like

https://youtu.be/eHKN7JWOYxo?si=SG3_CmZSyak00iDD

Yeah, and i totally agree that people might get bored, everything here might not be appealing to everyone.

The game have very old graphics have very great potential, but you are right about the part where people may play this for nostalgia.

It is not trash actually it is very great game. And it is better than most MMORPG, like the good mmos are the old ones not the new ones.

[Paches]

So much hate in here. I think the game goes over a lot of your heads. Combat is interactive compared to your normal point and click mmo. There isn't a single active mmo that gives you the amount of freedom to do what you want as much as this game other then mabinogi, even ff14 falls short since they removed sub job system. They're also constantly expanding the game, unlike other mmos that maybe pop out a level cap increase every few years if ever.

Honestly one of the best mmos made, 99% of everything else is static warrior/mage/rogue rpgs that don't even have support mechanics in them anymore. May as well play a single player game if you don't need any team play.

[That_Weird_Guy38]

Just sounds like the OP Is butthurt because they didn't have a good experience in the game, I've been playing since beta. Granted I am not one of those players that are in like all the time. I only play every now and than. But lately I've been cleaning out my storage because It's a complete mess, selling what I don't want. Made about 10M, I think so far.

[havoc7777]

Originally posted by That_Weird_Guy38:

Just sounds like the OP Is butthurt because they didn't have a good experience in the game, I've been playing since beta. Granted I am not one of those players that are in like all the time. I only play every now and than. But lately I've been cleaning out my storage because It's a complete mess, selling what I don't want. Made about 10M, I think so far.

This is a thread from a year ago so who knows if the OP is even still around.

That aside, the OP gives off the vibes of someone who tried a game, instantly hated it, and feel as if they have to complain about it. Been playing for a couple weeks now (and a bit more before that but lost that account because of how the game's registration system is set up) and the game does indeed have a lo of flaws but the thing things the OP is whining about, they didn't look very hard.

Starting with "the combat is not interesting" it's a mobile game first and foremost thus the controls will be limited, even so it's on the higher end of phone games.

In regards to "clunky" this game doesn't have a clunky UI at all, though it can be confusing to navigate to new players

"degree you cant inspect other players to see what they wear or have to have a reference"
This one I agree is a problem. It's almost unheard of for a game to not have this option

"u need to pay for orbs to port to different places instantly without going a round"
While true for the most part, the OP clearly never checked the emblems section which can reward teleport tickets for completing certain weekly missions. That aside, teleporting to Sophia City is free and there's teleport items you can by to teleport to any of the main cities


Moving on to the game's actual problems, it's an extremely complex game that makes little effort to explain what anything is thus if you play without a guide, you're in for a bad time.

In regards to stats, there's no true class builds like in any other game, you have to build for roles and if you mess up, you have to spend orbs to reset or hope for an oblivion book from events which resets stats+skills

In regards to skills, the descriptions are vague and barely explain what they do. If you truly want to understand them, you have to visit third party sites and learn to read Indonesian. Even then, many of those sites are out of date and lacking information such as toram-id having no information on Wizardry whatsoever. The game itself also doesn't say at all how taming works

In regards to items, the game floods you with items, possibly even more so than Ragnarok Online did while having a much smaller inventory limit. Unfortunately, it doesn't give the courtesy of telling which items are truly worthless and only exist as a "flavor item" to be sold to vendors thus you have to use third party sites to find out which isn't always an option as most info sites on this game are out of date. I can't even find one that tells what drops Flugel Halo

In regards to equipment, most equipment in this game is severely underwhelming and many items will have you sacrifice one stat to increase another. There is also the matter of the game lacking any good melee dps special gear (accessories). Sure there's Time Warp Watch which gives +1000 attack speed and -6% all resistances but that's nothing compared to mage's Philosopher's Ring which gives:
INT +3%
MaxMP +300
Casting Speed +30%

It doesn't help that the market doesn't have an option to search by stats either


Also a side note, this game gives certain perks to playing on Mobile that's not available if playing on steam such as domination bonuses from killing a certain number of mobs on a map which gives a massive amount of items.