2nd ascension

[Kharnath]

how exactly do you get to the next ascension? i did the tower scenario but it just wants me to do it again do i need to get to the end of the research or get to a specific tower size or something? because that would be insane the scenario is almost impossible to do as is.

[Alakhai]

early acces is sadly only ascension tier 2 :(

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Publicado originalmente por DeweyJohnson:

unfortunately there is no unlocking ascension level 2, i built the tower to lvl 30 which took like 2 and a half hours, i Ascended coz i got bored , nothing unlocked

What was your strat, I feel like everything from the beta has been patched :o

[robbie.price]

Publicado originalmente por In ProgressMini-wall:

Publicado originalmente por DeweyJohnson:

unfortunately there is no unlocking ascension level 2, i built the tower to lvl 30 which took like 2 and a half hours, i Ascended coz i got bored , nothing unlocked

What was your strat, I feel like everything from the beta has been patched :o

Stick with the pointed sticks?

Stunning stops working when you get bows and arrows, or soldiers. Just get a high enough team of heros and let them empower your dudes with Pointed Sticks to infinity and beyond.

[Fluffy Bunny of Despair]

I got to level 12 and died there.
I felt like my damage was way to low so i gonna go for all the base damage upgrades and see if i can get a few more better heroes before going for it again.

[Titanite Chunk]

Publicado originalmente por Fluffy Bunny of Despair:

I got to level 12 and died there.
I felt like my damage was way to low so i gonna go for all the base damage upgrades and see if i can get a few more better heroes before going for it again.

I was able to go pretty much infinite (as in, the crisis arrow wasn't able to move) by going with a stun on attack and click focused build. The buff you can get to clicks from the scenario leader is insane, and I was able to build a crosbowman in less than 2 seconds just by holding S, so it didn't matter that I did little damage to the crisis, since it wasn't able to progress.

[FenrirAdra]

A "tech as much as you want" strategy for it (got me to lvl 10)...

Have Pyramid Wonders unlocked. Build about 10 of them. More can work (more on these later).

Take the Marduk hero when given the option; the massive stone bonus and oligarchy toggle option to boost wood/stone/iron is why.

Avoid picking the "corruption" option when that comes up; this will act as a permanent corruption on Marduk that makes you take double damage, and disables the Oligarchy toggle. I haven't tried any of the other options for it (yet), I just know that the corruption option screws Marduk's Oligarchy toggle/perma-corrupts him.

There are 2 options to get a 20 minute, 160 stone/sec buff - get those.

;;

The basic idea is to use Marduk's stone bonus to turn it around to fueling gold through sell stone, and use the gold to spam research speed & lumber purchases.

The massive amount of stone makes building a lot of the buildings stupidly quick.

Pyramids are noteworthy because, for each 1000 gold you spend, it charges a pyramid. A charged pyramid gives +4 stone/sec, but has a penalty of -1 gold/sec. It only takes 3 "sell stone" to balance this out; and Marduk's stone bonus is huge to fueling this. The highest I got stone/sec up to was around 6500 (with around 400 stacks of the sell stone buff) before the game started to lag a ton due to the amount of sell stone buffs.

You do need to spend the gold to get it rolling, but once charged, Pyramids stay charged until you let it lapse - the -1 gold/sec penalty can go negative and drain your cash instead, if you hit 0 gold (either by having perfect amount of gold to spend or the .33 gold/sec buffs wearing off), the de-charge and you lose the stone/sec.

In any case it's still the same general idea as it was in demo - get a ton of gold, get the Lumber buff every 5 minutes, and spam the hell out of your military units. You'll have enough stone production that rebuilding any hill forts/walls/barriers is also very quick, but some of the later Curse of Tongues events 'prevent' blocking some of the penalties.

Because you can take this up to Crossbowmen, it also means you can clear most of the quest map reasonably easily (the 20-24 areas are still kinda tough, and 32-36's aren't really doable); you can turn any/all mountains you find into quarries pretty easily for even more stone production to cycle into gold.

[Kharnath]

it would be nice if the game actually told you that ascension 2 is not available yet.

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So far the one saying he hit floor 30 doesn't have the success (16/20) on his profil.
The other one talking about infinite stunt doesn't even have the game. (and ofc it doesn't work duh...crisis stacking will kill you)

Why people that don't know what they are talking about are answering this post lol.
The game is far different from the beta/demo and reaching lvl 20 of the tower is a little harder than just grinding 4 lvl 43 heros with some spike dmg....

The difficulty gap from level 10 to level 21 (needed for the 20 achievement) is huge. The crisis from the tower floor 20 is level 50.

Gold isn't enough by itself, from floor 10 to 20 its 50 minute, if you want one crossbowman a seconde you need (300 for +10 wood per 5 minute, so 3000 for +10 wood for the 50 minutes, with a crossbowman costing 1570 wood, if you want to get one crossbowman every 2 secondes you need about 70*3000 gold which is 210 000 gold) which is far from what you can achieve with the pyramid strat.
Thats not even taking into account the fact that you need more gold to stop the crisis, nor the fact that at one point you will still get hit by invulnerable attack since you need some time to apply the crisis stunt (since there are no shortcut) between all attack).

I still think its doable since I got to 20 and can optimize some stuff but you need to use most mechanics to do it, at least that's what I found.

TL;dr : There is no "easy no brain" mechanics to reach floor 20+ as far as I know, you need to abuse most strats (full map clear, lvl 43 heros with ok stats, gold mechanics and careful planning on how you'll get more ressources) to reach floor 20+

[Titanite Chunk]

Publicado originalmente por In ProgressMini-wall:

So far the one saying he hit floor 30 doesn't have the success (16/20) on his profil.
The other one talking about infinite stunt doesn't even have the game. (and ofc it doesn't work duh...crisis stacking will kill you)

Why people that don't know what they are talking about are answering this post lol.
The game is far different from the beta/demo and reaching lvl 20 of the tower is a little harder than just grinding 4 lvl 43 heros with some spike dmg....

The difficulty gap from level 10 to level 21 (needed for the 20 achievement) is huge. The crisis from the tower floor 20 is level 50.

Gold isn't enough by itself, from floor 10 to 20 its 50 minute, if you want one crossbowman a seconde you need (300 for +10 wood per 5 minute, so 3000 for +10 wood for the 50 minutes, with a crossbowman costing 1570 wood, if you want to get one crossbowman every 2 secondes you need about 70*3000 gold which is 210 000 gold) which is far from what you can achieve with the pyramid strat.
Thats not even taking into account the fact that you need more gold to stop the crisis, nor the fact that at one point you will still get hit by invulnerable attack since you need some time to apply the crisis stunt (since there are no shortcut) between all attack).

I still think its doable since I got to 20 and can optimize some stuff but you need to use most mechanics to do it, at least that's what I found.

TL;dr : There is no "easy no brain" mechanics to reach floor 20+ as far as I know, you need to abuse most strats (full map clear, lvl 43 heros with ok stats, gold mechanics and careful planning on how you'll get more ressources) to reach floor 20+

Are you talking about me? Because unless I had a fever dream, I think I have played 8 hours of the full game.

Gotta love complaining about people talking with no clue about what they are saying while also not having a clue about what oneself is saying lol

Infinite stun is OP in the scenario, and I got the 20 tower achievement on first try, while not paying any attention and just maxing simulation speed and spamming crossbowmen.

The click buff you can get is insane, and it 100% works. Even if the arrow could start to very slowly move (which mine didn't), you could just use one stone wall to give yourself a huge amount of extra time. I noticed I was immortal and just went ahead until I got the 20 achievement. I then ascended because I thought there was more game yet, but I am positive that I could have kept it on for quite some time, specially considering that I was not even trying, since at 400% simulation speed you have much less time to react to events.

[Criticalmeds]

Im currently at tower level 21 i was seriously hoping 20 would be the end and ide unlock tier 2 but the time it takes to kill off the crises post fighting the tower they almost become back to back fights you can stun it for multiple minutes whilst you rebuild your troops as long as its not hit the stun stays active. But the biggest issue now is my gold income just cant keep up with what im needing to spend. If im doing this for nothing its quiet upsetting.

[Holger]

To me it seems like there isn't any ascension 2. I've unlocked all 37 achievements (that's available so far), so I think its a matter of the game being in early acces.
My favorite strategy so far is stacking autoclicks, my maximum so far is 16 clicks/s which absolutely devastes all early challenges and makes beating the quest map a breeze.
When it comes to the tower you do hit a hard cap in terms of lacking dmg to kill it before new crises spawns, as more crises makes it progressively faster (i hit around 897% extra speed at 9 crises) this makes stunlocking irrelevant late game. The only solution I've for this is stacking gold and buying enough lumber/iron to kill it fast enough, but you will run out of gold at some point.
PS. The maximum stone pr click i've seen is 1200, which is accomplished by using the scenario hero, who increases click power by 300% while getting the correct 400 % extra stone pr click buff on her, combined with the unique hero, who increases stone pr. click by 35% pr. farmland. this resulted in 400.000 gold and a crashed game.

[Criticalmeds]

Publicado originalmente por Holger:

To me it seems like there isn't any ascension 2. I've unlocked all 37 achievements (that's available so far), so I think its a matter of the game being in early acces.
My favorite strategy so far is stacking autoclicks, my maximum so far is 16 clicks/s which absolutely devastes all early challenges and makes beating the quest map a breeze.
When it comes to the tower you do hit a hard cap in terms of lacking dmg to kill it before new crises spawns, as more crises makes it progressively faster (i hit around 897% extra speed at 9 crises) this makes stunlocking irrelevant late game. The only solution I've for this is stacking gold and buying enough lumber/iron to kill it fast enough, but you will run out of gold at some point.
PS. The maximum stone pr click i've seen is 1200, which is accomplished by using the scenario hero, who increases click power by 300% while getting the correct 400 % extra stone pr click buff on her, combined with the unique hero, who increases stone pr. click by 35% pr. farmland. this resulted in 400.000 gold and a crashed game.

I too made a stone click style and was maxing out gold super fast and it would result in crashing the game just +1ing this.

[Fluffy Bunny of Despair]

Publicado originalmente por Titanite Chunk:

Publicado originalmente por In ProgressMini-wall:

So far the one saying he hit floor 30 doesn't have the success (16/20) on his profil.
The other one talking about infinite stunt doesn't even have the game. (and ofc it doesn't work duh...crisis stacking will kill you)

Why people that don't know what they are talking about are answering this post lol.
The game is far different from the beta/demo and reaching lvl 20 of the tower is a little harder than just grinding 4 lvl 43 heros with some spike dmg....

The difficulty gap from level 10 to level 21 (needed for the 20 achievement) is huge. The crisis from the tower floor 20 is level 50.

Gold isn't enough by itself, from floor 10 to 20 its 50 minute, if you want one crossbowman a seconde you need (300 for +10 wood per 5 minute, so 3000 for +10 wood for the 50 minutes, with a crossbowman costing 1570 wood, if you want to get one crossbowman every 2 secondes you need about 70*3000 gold which is 210 000 gold) which is far from what you can achieve with the pyramid strat.
Thats not even taking into account the fact that you need more gold to stop the crisis, nor the fact that at one point you will still get hit by invulnerable attack since you need some time to apply the crisis stunt (since there are no shortcut) between all attack).

I still think its doable since I got to 20 and can optimize some stuff but you need to use most mechanics to do it, at least that's what I found.

TL;dr : There is no "easy no brain" mechanics to reach floor 20+ as far as I know, you need to abuse most strats (full map clear, lvl 43 heros with ok stats, gold mechanics and careful planning on how you'll get more ressources) to reach floor 20+

Are you talking about me? Because unless I had a fever dream, I think I have played 8 hours of the full game.

Gotta love complaining about people talking with no clue about what they are saying while also not having a clue about what oneself is saying lol

Infinite stun is OP in the scenario, and I got the 20 tower achievement on first try, while not paying any attention and just maxing simulation speed and spamming crossbowmen.

The click buff you can get is insane, and it 100% works. Even if the arrow could start to very slowly move (which mine didn't), you could just use one stone wall to give yourself a huge amount of extra time. I noticed I was immortal and just went ahead until I got the 20 achievement. I then ascended because I thought there was more game yet, but I am positive that I could have kept it on for quite some time, specially considering that I was not even trying, since at 400% simulation speed you have much less time to react to events.

Yes i think he understood that just fine.
He was arguing that in the current scenario that wouldn't work because if you have multiple crisis at the same time, the progression rate of the current one gets sped up.

And then your 2 second stuns suddenly only work 0.5 seconds and so on.

[robbie.price]

I got to level 24 easy enough, full autopilot. Only failed because Autofight uses workshops, which remove the click buff.

if I had a manually done the combats .... well it would have been boring, but possible to push past 24 rather trivially.

also I didn't fully optimize my team for more stun, could easily double my stun by grinding out more heroes until I get a better set. Most of my guys are not even level 43.

[Titanite Chunk]

Publicado originalmente por Fluffy Bunny of Despair:

Publicado originalmente por Titanite Chunk:

Are you talking about me? Because unless I had a fever dream, I think I have played 8 hours of the full game.

Gotta love complaining about people talking with no clue about what they are saying while also not having a clue about what oneself is saying lol

Infinite stun is OP in the scenario, and I got the 20 tower achievement on first try, while not paying any attention and just maxing simulation speed and spamming crossbowmen.

The click buff you can get is insane, and it 100% works. Even if the arrow could start to very slowly move (which mine didn't), you could just use one stone wall to give yourself a huge amount of extra time. I noticed I was immortal and just went ahead until I got the 20 achievement. I then ascended because I thought there was more game yet, but I am positive that I could have kept it on for quite some time, specially considering that I was not even trying, since at 400% simulation speed you have much less time to react to events.

Yes i think he understood that just fine.
He was arguing that in the current scenario that wouldn't work because if you have multiple crisis at the same time, the progression rate of the current one gets sped up.

And then your 2 second stuns suddenly only work 0.5 seconds and so on.

Well yeah if you deal 0 damage that would end up happening. But with some flat damage upgrades from leaders, you can keep it up far past the point of 20 levels.

I said that when I had only done one run, that reached level 20, with level 20 more or less leaders. I believe only my left side hero had a flat damage upgrade, but that was enough to completely outpace anything at that tower level. I didn't even use gold at all, so it could be even easier to do. I made a crosbowman in three clicks, so the dps you can get is insane.

Also, picking the corruption that gives unrest per autonomy point, and then just building and disabling the theatre, essentially negates the corruption effect.