[spoilers] Is there different outcome?

[bitb0602]

As title.
I would post my question in 2F.

[bitb0602]

My poor Marcus is killed by me at very first turn in chapter 20.
And his confession breaks my heart.
I just wonder if there is any different way to find happier outcome?
Or he could only be killed this way I chose?
Thank you.

[eturulja]

Hey bitb0602! There is one different outcome, if you pick the side of reform instead of rebellion. Below is spoilers for what will happen, both a "lighter spoiler" and a "heavy spoiler" in case you wanted to play it again and have it still be a surprise I'd just do "lighter spoiler".

Light spoiler:
If you pick to side with August (reform), Marcus will stay and another unit will leave instead.

Heavy spoiler:
The other unit that leaves if you side with August is Illyana.

[bitb0602]

eturulja lähetti viestin:

Hey bitb0602! There is one different outcome, if you pick the side of reform instead of rebellion. Below is spoilers for what will happen, both a "lighter spoiler" and a "heavy spoiler" in case you wanted to play it again and have it still be a surprise I'd just do "lighter spoiler".

Light spoiler:
If you pick to side with August (reform), Marcus will stay and another unit will leave instead.

Heavy spoiler:
The other unit that leaves if you side with August is Illyana.

Many thanks for the answer.
Yeah...I'd guessed that since that my super woman Illyana had hinted it much obviously.
Marcus is just too dumb to understand that. That's why he's cute.
I feel sad for him and his final Self-Confession.

Good job to the DEV, the story is touching, and the talk/dialog is deeply connected to our heart. The music is also amazing. The combat system / class system / battle design / AI are all above what I expected.
Really a good game I would like to recommend to the others.
Just hope that there would be happier story "Next Time". :)

If there's any reason I would choose August, that might be the consideration that August seems softer than Rodrick, so I wouldn't be too afraid if August kills Slyker/Ranger after getting the crown. (It took me about 30 min to decide it)
Fortunately, at very last, Rodrick doesn't betray the people who tried to believe him.

[Aiven]

bitb0602 lähetti viestin:

If there's any reason I would choose August, that might be the consideration that August seems softer than Rodrick, so I wouldn't be too afraid if August kills Slyker/Ranger after getting the crown. (It took me about 30 min to decide it)
Fortunately, at very last, Rodrick doesn't betray the people who believe in him.

Well that's another reason not to choose August. Soft young king in tough times would be controlled by his adwisor. And we are on bad side of him. What possibly could gone wrong?

[CaoLex]

Black Prince August isn't really that soft or stupid. It's more like he want to be true to that image that kings project to their population. Another kind of idealist. His father is the one who was the softie and as result most of the things in the game is his fault.
The choice is pretty much between Trump Rodrick's bloody revolution and August's evolution.

[Aiven]

CaoLex lähetti viestin:

Black Prince August isn't really that soft or stupid.

He promises wonders to maid he slept with, and he listens to Crawford who is obviously playing him. First is soft, second is stupid.

[CaoLex]

Aiven lähetti viestin:

CaoLex lähetti viestin:

Black Prince August isn't really that soft or stupid.

He promises wonders to maid he slept with, and he listens to Crawford who is obviously playing him. First is soft, second is stupid.

Has you got his ending yet?

[bitb0602]

CaoLex lähetti viestin:

Black Prince August isn't really that soft or stupid. It's more like he want to be true to that image that kings project to their population. Another kind of idealist. His father is the one who was the softie and as result most of the things in the game is his fault.
The choice is pretty much between Trump Rodrick's bloody revolution and August's evolution.

Actually he does earn my trust.
I know I just can't lose Illyana, ha ha.
Helping Illyana would mostly like what Slyker always keeps to do - to keep acting simply, to keep followers safe.
And there is just no such reason to forgive what duke did.

Marcus is the stupidest one who stands for nothing, and be killed for nothing..

[Aiven]

CaoLex lähetti viestin:

Has you got his ending yet?

And how it is relevant question? We are discussing choice and information we had at that time?

[CaoLex]

Aiven lähetti viestin:

CaoLex lähetti viestin:

Has you got his ending yet?

And how it is relevant question? We are discussing choice and information we had at that time?

There is just no better proof that your understanding of this character is wrong.
And if you talk about deciding on point of when he offers deal, then there is plenty of info about styles of both Those Who Rule, you just don't know real consequences yet.

[Aiven]

CaoLex lähetti viestin:

There is just no better proof that your understanding of this character is wrong.

If he was real peroson that point of "wrong" could be valid. Othervise we can only have different impression about his artistic image. And since there is no instrument of verifications how consequences imagined by wrighter correlate to his image i can't take them as valid argument. What is worth discussing is what we realy before the choice. Considering there is limited amount of text we have about him rest will be imagined by us, readers, and thus depends on our way of thinking. What we see objectively? August is young adult visualy. Not teenager, he have to understand that he have to construct his public image for noble class in first place. But he don't understand it and we see weak personality. I can't see a smart, understanding person in him. Than August sleeps with maid and lies to her. He is young and insecure and can't promise her some real benefits for it. He can't defend her from his father, in that way. Could he say to her we can't be together but your future will be secure lets enjoy now, and say to father that she knows her place? That would be tough decision now. Next impression from peronality "i can't lead army help me Crowford". Is it soft again? Yes. Aristocrat can't openly admit inability.. Tough August should ask for same thing in other words. Smart August would try to gain something from landing authority to Crowford. You can argue his father is weak, but he should have some tutors etc to give him good example. Than he follows and learns and take all the words and ideas Crawford plants in his head. It's stupid if you (future) king. That's why can't say August is tough and smart. Only thing he did alone is parley with other prince. In this parley only tough thing August said "i'll take the trone and get back to war with you later. Is it tough? Could be, or he says again things OTHERS expect him to say to save public image? I don't know. In whole parley he is a bit scared. Could he learn in time to be tough and smart? Maybe. Epilogue could tell. But in a moment of choice we know that August followed Crawford ideas, have questionable personality. If we care about slaves we can't expect he would free them. Ha have to fight against nobles and well he does not have much fight in him yet.

[Leninade]

I think the thing that I dislike the most about the ending choice is that it functionally means that XP used on the character that leaves is functionally wasted. I unfortunately wiped my endgame save by accident (so I can't check this), but I think the equipment the character had on also disappears. Granted, my playthough involved Marcus having equipment no one else is using, so I might've just missed it.

Narratively I understand the purpose of this, but it definitely does not feel great. Sure it's nice to get a replacement character at a high level/decent growths, but the inner min/maxer in me has a hard time letting go of all that wasted fixed XP.

[CaoLex]

It's not like you have bunch of missions to complete after it)

[Leninade]

CaoLex lähetti viestin:

It's not like you have bunch of missions to complete after it)

Not the point - it's a less than great feeling to spend a whole game building up a character, only to have them disappear at the very end. From a mechanics standpoint, it means the player devoted resources to a character that could've been spent elsewhere.

[bitb0602]

Leninade lähetti viestin:

CaoLex lähetti viestin:

It's not like you have bunch of missions to complete after it)

Not the point - it's a less than great feeling to spend a whole game building up a character, only to have them disappear at the very end. From a mechanics standpoint, it means the player devoted resources to a character that could've been spent elsewhere.

In my case, Marcus could be my top 3 or 4, and he does have my favorite item "Spike Gloves".
But I do accept that he took every thing away when he left, since it does make me feel the weight which fit the vibe. And even without him, my team is still capable to take off final fight easily and quickly, I guess that's why this setting (character leaves without leaving anything) is okay for me.