Time to roll out the nerfs..

[Papi Pano]

Superman should not have armor EVERY single attack. I understand lore wise he's invincible but his attacks should not be favored over ANYONE else. I have actual CLIPS and PROOF of these things happening. I'm a beta player and have been dumping on dweebs since launch. Between Black Adam and Superman (characters I don't touch BECAUSE THEY'RE BROKEN) y'all have a problem. People are running them TOGETHER, ALL NIGHT tonight. Lay out balances ASAP. Banana Guard's forward triangle has a hitbox of a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hexagon. Whether you're above him, past him, wherever it may be. IF YOU ARE IN FRONT? You are getting hit. I have clips of me using Batman zipping to a Garnet only for NOTHING to happen when I reach her body except being DRAGGED to her star.. There are people being favored and it makes no sense to me. I dodge the best I can and can only play on defense due to people having Team Comp like it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Overwatch. If this game has a "meta" this game will die VERY soon. BALANCE it. Do not play this game at night. The sweats with no jobs wake up at night and play til 8am.

[Pizzashot]

The problem for many characters is that they slowed the game down. Taz that I play got a massive nerf as he got slowed and more predictable. Some characters are just too good for this speed, they got attacks with a long reach that are mega easy to pull off because the enemy move towards them as snails and their attacks are up for too long. Most characters were created with the chaotic gameplay in mind. Iron Giant became a combo machine when they made the game slower, he was probably bugged but everything got easier.

[¨°º✪GødzBlazƸ✪º°¨]

Publicado originalmente por Vangalisk:

Superman is B tier get good PapiPanoob.

thats what poeple say until you fight a superman who has 11k MMR ( in the Beta ) in a 1v1.
Then you will cry for nerf...

[Papi Pano]

Publicado originalmente por Dreadnaught:

Lol crying over a lack of skill is WILD 😂😂😂
How did you put it on my post?... "Yuck. Seek skill bud." Yeah... That

Run it up with me and we'll see who's laughing after a full set :) Yk what you can even use Superman

[Netsa]

Publicado originalmente por ♥♥♥♥ Daley:

If everyone is on par with Wonder Women, I'm leaving.

Publicado originalmente por Pizzashot:

No, they should nerf the overpowered characters till all are on the same level. There are currently just a few that are being abused in matchmaking and the statistics probably show exactly why they are being picked, nerf those a little. Wonder Woman is currently the HARDEST character to play against, beginners do the same moves as the pros and are being successful, I as Taz can bait beginners to do their dumb moves but better players will just time everything right and they are basically untouchable. Joker is also one that I kind of think needs a nerf, beginners Jokers are annoying but the better players are also kind of untouchable and they WILL balloon you out of the map.

But please, buff my Taz to Wonder Womans level and see how fun it will be to play against unstoppable Taz, give the infinite tornado back and see the beginners run around the map in constant fear. ^^

WW's not that strong. If everyone was on par with her, we would just be playing the beta again.

And hard disagree. This game has more balance problems than just a few outliers being better than everyone else. Everyone at the bottom half of the tier list is so weak that even if the top 5 characters were all nerfed, the bottom 5 would still suck. They would have to nerf the top 5 so hard that they join the bottom 5 characters. I'm talking about characters like Velma, Jason, Jake, Stripe, and Lebron.

Do you really want to play a game where everyone is as weak as Velma is right now? Moves taking forever to come out, close to zero combo potential, every projectile on a massive cooldown despite doing nothing?

[Pizzashot]

Velma is just weak because the developers changed her without having a solution to how to make her playable. I tried her in training room and she is simply just bad right now, she is a ranged character but the developers made her a ''melee'' and forgot that she is WEAK in melee.. They thought they made her a Martian BUT nobody in the dev section plays Velma and she became absolute trash. Martian is melee+ranged and he kicks ass if played well but Velma got nothing that makes her good in melee.

[MerkuleezYT]

harley, shaggy need nerfs, harleys hammer can hit people behind them...

[Netsa]

Publicado originalmente por Pizzashot:

Velma is just weak because the developers changed her without having a solution to how to make her playable. I tried her in training room and she is simply just bad right now, she is a ranged character but the developers made her a ''melee'' and forgot that she is WEAK in melee.. They thought they made her a Martian BUT nobody in the dev section plays Velma and she became absolute trash. Martian is melee+ranged and he kicks ass if played well but Velma got nothing that makes her good in melee.

Eh, Marvin lacks the easy-mode killpower of better characters while also being harder to play. Nerfing the top tiers to be at Marvin's level would still be a big nerf.

[Vangalisk]

Publicado originalmente por ¨°º✪GødzBlazƸ✪º°¨:

Publicado originalmente por Vangalisk:

Superman is B tier get good PapiPanoob.

thats what poeple say until you fight a superman who has 11k MMR ( in the Beta ) in a 1v1.
Then you will cry for nerf...

Like if you play against anyone with 11k MMR, not superman problem.

[Many-Named]

Publicado originalmente por アウトコールド:

fIf you want a perfectly balanced game maybe try Brawlhalla. They are all pretty much just the same fighters.

He will still cry about the weapons. Plenty of that on the Brawlhalla forums too.

[Harleen Quinzel]

Publicado originalmente por Netsa:

Would you people please learn to punish? Just learn how to punish so we can be free of the text walls?

And there is no "favor", there is no priority, you're simply losing the trade. This is either because you tried to attack armor despite knowing full well they won't be interrupted (Superman), or because they have a disjoint and they out-range you (Banananananana Man). Or, in the case of Batman's grappling hook, because the hitbox for that attack is weird and any lingering hitbox beats it.

There will always be a meta, and yes, the game is not balanced. But if you're losing to Superman's armor, you really need to relax. That's not the game balance being bad, that's something else.

Superman is my arch nemesis because I just suck so bad at countering his side special in air, but i 100% know it's my own fault lmao
Any tips on countering this? It feels like he can just throw it out, am I just being too impatient?

[Harleen Quinzel]

Publicado originalmente por MerkuleezYT:

harley, shaggy need nerfs, harleys hammer can hit people behind them...

Intended, it's part of the hitbox. it's incredibly easy to dodge out of or make her whiff this and punish her. Both her ground and air neutral (the hammer) have a big start-up time and are only good *because* of the range on them. Nerf them too much and you have Reindog's down air tilt. I'm able to hit Harley out of her hammer fairly often too, not downplaying her cuz she's my main- but there's ways to punish those moves.

[Netsa]

Publicado originalmente por TwerkOffInOil Batman V Superman:

Superman is my arch nemesis because I just suck so bad at countering his side special in air, but i 100% know it's my own fault lmao
Any tips on countering this? It feels like he can just throw it out, am I just being too impatient?

I don't have any tips for it, it catches me a lot, too. It's a repeating hitbox (like Finn's bag), so it's not as easy to just dodge through as most other aerials.

He usually uses it to carry you towards the blast zone, so I guess you want to dodge perpendicular to which direction he's planning to travel in. So if you were above his elevation, you want to dodge downward, and if you were below his elevation, you want to dodge upward.
(Or Parry.)

I don't have a lot of practice against it, since I don't see a lot of Supermen that have learned him enough to use it.

[laslax]

Publicado originalmente por Netsa:

Publicado originalmente por TwerkOffInOil Batman V Superman:

Superman is my arch nemesis because I just suck so bad at countering his side special in air, but i 100% know it's my own fault lmao
Any tips on countering this? It feels like he can just throw it out, am I just being too impatient?

I don't have any tips for it, it catches me a lot, too. It's a repeating hitbox (like Finn's bag), so it's not as easy to just dodge through as most other aerials.

He usually uses it to carry you towards the blast zone, so I guess you want to dodge perpendicular to which direction he's planning to travel in. So if you were above his elevation, you want to dodge downward, and if you were below his elevation, you want to dodge upward.
(Or Parry.)

I don't have a lot of practice against it, since I don't see a lot of Supermen that have learned him enough to use it.

On stage you can counter it easier (such as just walking away because the move has a timer), but the Superman might be trying to bait you because he can dodge out of it. Off stage it forces you to recover high or low if you respect it, which can then setup the Superman to go for something like an offstage spike.

Also, expect him to throw it out more if you're at 100 because it's one of his kill moves.

[Netsa]

Publicado originalmente por laslax:

On stage you can counter it easier (such as just walking away because the move has a timer), but the Superman might be trying to bait you because he can dodge out of it. Off stage it forces you to recover high or low if you respect it, which can then setup the Superman to go for something like an offstage spike.

Also, expect him to throw it out more if you're at 100 because it's one of his kill moves.

Always cool when we can get real hints and tips about these characters rather than just the armor complaints.

[Jahamesthatdude]

bugs and shaggy got this same problem and to the mfs saying that you gotta punish aint had to deal w mfs going double bugs and spamming the safes that never break and you get locked in between the hits. with shaggy his kick overpowers damn near any attack and the game never punishes is. all they gotta do is make shaggys kick a lil slower and make bug's projectiles slower. i rarely run into superman players but a good amount of chararcters got too much armor