Time to roll out the nerfs..

[Papi Pano]

Superman should not have armor EVERY single attack. I understand lore wise he's invincible but his attacks should not be favored over ANYONE else. I have actual CLIPS and PROOF of these things happening. I'm a beta player and have been dumping on dweebs since launch. Between Black Adam and Superman (characters I don't touch BECAUSE THEY'RE BROKEN) y'all have a problem. People are running them TOGETHER, ALL NIGHT tonight. Lay out balances ASAP. Banana Guard's forward triangle has a hitbox of a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hexagon. Whether you're above him, past him, wherever it may be. IF YOU ARE IN FRONT? You are getting hit. I have clips of me using Batman zipping to a Garnet only for NOTHING to happen when I reach her body except being DRAGGED to her star.. There are people being favored and it makes no sense to me. I dodge the best I can and can only play on defense due to people having Team Comp like it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Overwatch. If this game has a "meta" this game will die VERY soon. BALANCE it. Do not play this game at night. The sweats with no jobs wake up at night and play til 8am.

[Netsa]

Would you people please learn to punish? Just learn how to punish so we can be free of the text walls?

And there is no "favor", there is no priority, you're simply losing the trade. This is either because you tried to attack armor despite knowing full well they won't be interrupted (Superman), or because they have a disjoint and they out-range you (Banananananana Man). Or, in the case of Batman's grappling hook, because the hitbox for that attack is weird and any lingering hitbox beats it.

There will always be a meta, and yes, the game is not balanced. But if you're losing to Superman's armor, you really need to relax. That's not the game balance being bad, that's something else.

[Dreadnaught]

Lol crying over a lack of skill is WILD 😂😂😂
How did you put it on my post?... "Yuck. Seek skill bud." Yeah... That

[アウトコールド]

no

[Vangalisk]

Superman is B tier get good PapiPanoob.

[laslax]

What's with the Superman hate? I don't think he's that strong.

[Netsa]

Originally posted by laslax:

What's with the Superman hate? I don't think he's that strong.

He does still have some legitimately good moves, like using his side-air (often combined with up-special) to destroy the hopes and dreams of people off-stage, but the only people who ever do that kind of thing are people who are actually good. And they're rare.

The real reason Superman gets hate is because he has an easy, early knockout. He stands and spams smashes and people walk into them. They don't have to, he's not reading them or setting them up, his opponents just suck and walk into the attacks. Attacks telegraphed for so long that were he a Dark Souls boss, people would call him a breath of fresh air at best and wonder why they extended the health bar on such a baby-friendly enemy.

[󠀡󠀡]

Superman is okay to fight in 1’s, but if you play against double Superman players in 2’s, they can spam the punches together and basically start an infinite.

They need to fix that asap, but he’s well balanced compared to other characters when his moves aren’t being abused

[laslax]

Originally posted by Netsa:

Originally posted by laslax:

What's with the Superman hate? I don't think he's that strong.

He does still have some legitimately good moves, like using his side-air (often combined with up-special) to destroy the hopes and dreams of people off-stage, but the only people who ever do that kind of thing are people who are actually good. And they're rare.

The real reason Superman gets hate is because he has an easy, early knockout. He stands and spams smashes and people walk into them. They don't have to, he's not reading them or setting them up, his opponents just suck and walk into the attacks. Attacks telegraphed for so long that were he a Dark Souls boss, people would call him a breath of fresh air at best and wonder why they extended the health bar on such a baby-friendly enemy.

Maybe I was just using him wrong. Seems like he can kill early with snipe punch setups (Fair/N smash/D smash) and what seems like untrue air combos off the stage. I'd have to test more with Superman to really know though.

[Pizzashot]

Superman sucks as he is a winder upper, some Supermans are wild but you can punish a Superman with armor breaking moves. Most games I have played against Superman has felt fair, but his zoning is pretty insane, just stay away from Superman when you notice him winding something up.

[Ziack]

This is the wrong mentality. Everyone else needs to be buffed. No one needs a nerf.

[Dick Daley]

Originally posted by Ziack:

This is the wrong mentality. Everyone else needs to be buffed. No one needs a nerf.

If everyone is on par with Wonder Women, I'm leaving.

[Pizzashot]

Originally posted by Ziack:

This is the wrong mentality. Everyone else needs to be buffed. No one needs a nerf.

No, they should nerf the overpowered characters till all are on the same level. There are currently just a few that are being abused in matchmaking and the statistics probably show exactly why they are being picked, nerf those a little. Wonder Woman is currently the HARDEST character to play against, beginners do the same moves as the pros and are being successful, I as Taz can bait beginners to do their dumb moves but better players will just time everything right and they are basically untouchable. Joker is also one that I kind of think needs a nerf, beginners Jokers are annoying but the better players are also kind of untouchable and they WILL balloon you out of the map.

But please, buff my Taz to Wonder Womans level and see how fun it will be to play against unstoppable Taz, give the infinite tornado back and see the beginners run around the map in constant fear. ^^

[アウトコールド]

Originally posted by Pizzashot:

Originally posted by Ziack:

This is the wrong mentality. Everyone else needs to be buffed. No one needs a nerf.

No, they should nerf the overpowered characters till all are on the same level. There are currently just a few that are being abused in matchmaking and the statistics probably show exactly why they are being picked, nerf those a little. WW is currently the HARDEST character to play against, beginners do the same moves as the pros and are being successful, I as Taz can bait beginners but better players will just time everything right and they are basically untouchable.

That would be boring and untrue to the characters if they are all just the same. Plus you could probably never truely make them perfectly balanced. Everyone would need to constantly be tweaked due to differing opinions and strategies. Maybe theycan add a playlist where they all pretty much have the same stats but a permenant change would be awful.

[Ziack]

Originally posted by Pizzashot:

Originally posted by Ziack:

This is the wrong mentality. Everyone else needs to be buffed. No one needs a nerf.

No, they should nerf the overpowered characters till all are on the same level. There are currently just a few that are being abused in matchmaking and the statistics probably show exactly why they are being picked, nerf those a little. WW is currently the HARDEST character to play against, beginners do the same moves as the pros and are being successful, I as Taz can bait beginners to do their dumb moves but better players will just time everything right and they are basically untouchable. Joker is also one that I kind of think need a nerf, beginners Jokers are annoying but the better players are also kind of untouchable and they WILL balloon you out of the map.

Why keep nerfing characters? then you have a cast of characters that can only do a little as the worst on the cast. It's nonsensical. The other reason people play the overpowered characters is because they are fun. Have you played them? they are fun. Being able to do lots of things and having options is fun. Yeah, let's bring everyone down to Velma level, that will make things fun right?
Reindog got nerfed, and now NO ONE plays him, before he had a small player rep, now he has nothing, why? because he got nerfed, and no longer has any fun tools.
Give the rest of the cast MORE tools, then people will play them, but it's people like you that actually work at PFG, it's easier to remove things, and tone down values, than it is to give tools and buff, so they choose the easier options.
TLDR; Game will be boring if everyone is nerfed.

[アウトコールド]

fIf you want a perfectly balanced game maybe try Brawlhalla. They are all pretty much just the same fighters.