Best/Broken character(s) in the game? (1v1)

[Anthony]

I would have to give it to Bugs.
He can kill at low percents and has one of the best kits in the game, his up air (baseball bat)
has a huge hitbox and can kill you where other characters would struggle to even get the hit let alone kill. I think a great nerf for him would make it easier to destroy his safe, and maybe reduce the knockback on his up air (base ball bat) just a tad. make it alittle harder for him to kill at low percents, and he wont feel as busted.

I use to think harley quinn was close to busted, but the more I learn her match up the less scary she becomes, her hitboxes are nuts, has alot of far traveling moves and some even hit both sides. shes defenitly really good but I dont think shes busted like other people are saying. If shes up against a new player/casual player your cooked, but learn the matchup and she doesnt feel the same as bugs or...

Joker, Hes gotta be pretty close to best in game, no doubt top 3, crazy kit, His moves by themselves arent that crazy, but his kit as a whole makes everything so much harder to deal with, his projectiles alongside his normals is to much imo, his up airs lead to very easy kills similar to bugs, he feels like hes in control of the board no matter if your trying to attack from the side or above, he has to much utility, trying to close the distance on him is really hard, and you better not even try to float above him.

Banana guard has the same thing going on with harley imo, destroys new players/casuals, but learn the match up and hes pretty punishable, he feels busted because he can kill you with his netural dash attack (runs at you with spear) but if you bait the player into doing it and make him scared to put it out and the match up becomes less scary, at best hes just annoying and feels bad when he does hit you cause your gonna die, hard to say yet but I think hes fine and will move down the tier list once people figure him out more.

I dont know much about Finn but hes defenitly really good, not sure if hes broken would like to hear what people are saying about him

and as a batman main, idk if im being biased, but it seems like you gotta work really hard for him to be good, unlike joker, harley quinn, banana guard. would like to hear what people think about him too, hes def really good, but I feel like any hard opionion from me is going to be very biased so I dont really want to comment to much on it, I lean on him being top tier in the hands of a really good player that knows how to combo and do set ups with him, his 50/50 with his grappleing hook is really strong and obviously his batarang is insane, the fact that its a really solid projectile and you can get crazy combos from it seems really really good.

thoughts? Do you think any other characters deserve a mention?

Last thing would like to hear what people think about the Iron giant and shaggy, both these characters seem really good, but idk if I want to call them broken or top 5.

[mclovis]

Bugs is obviously the more broken one in 1v1 and 2v2. He is like a crossover between steve and chrome (stupid tricky projectill with big hitbox and bid reward if you get touch and massively preventing your movement, and with that who got insane speed, frame data, and disjoint that kill early). It's obvious the dev don't know what they're doing.

[Chibbix]

I'm was just talking about banana guard:

He's got such a brutal nerf coming.

He's straight broken right now. His jab combo breaks things like Gizmo's car and Bug's safe, Marvin's UFO, etc., in one hit. His forward charge also breaks them all in one hit (Shaggy's powered up kick doesn't, for context) and KO's at 70% near edges, also it's hitbox is literally a giant cube around him while he's performing it. You literally cannot hit him while he's doing it with a melee attack without getting hit, if you try to attack him (not special) from behind, he'll send you flying the direction he's charging, without taking a scratch. His air up attack all has way too much knockback, in my opinion, too, but that's more my take.

Enjoy him while he last.

[JRS]

For me it's metal giant it's just annoying to play against this crap, that character was a mistake

then definitely banana guy for most braindead-easy-effective

[Snobby Hobo]

Iron Giant is currently busted in 1v1 if you know what you are doing. He has 2 infinite combo routes both of which are incredibly easy to pull off. I agree with the above comment that Iron Giant was a mistake; this character will either destroy everything or be useless, without anything inbetween.

Harley is really good in 1v1 because once she gets some damage on you she will just chain endless combos until you die. Wonder Woman is good in 1v1 because she's straight up broken overpowered. Bugs has insane buttons, but he's stronger in 2v2 because of the random zoning crap he throws about. Batman is probably one of the more balanced characters.

[milk]

for me at least i really don't think bugs is op right now hes like a a+ at best, he really struggles at being the aggressor without his rocket or safe. harley and black adam can kill super early and have super easy ways to force people in the air for early kills. wierdly enough i feel like banana guard is pretty easy to deal with if you just bait out is side special he becomes combo food. other than that joker is just op as ♥♥♥♥

[Bybloss]

Harley , bugs , marvin

[treelaunka]

Originally posted by Ashlub:

I would have to give it to Bugs.
He can kill at low percents and has one of the best kits in the game, his up air (baseball bat)
has a huge hitbox and can kill you where other characters would struggle to even get the hit let alone kill. I think a great nerf for him would make it easier to destroy his safe, and maybe reduce the knockback on his up air (base ball bat) just a tad. make it alittle harder for him to kill at low percents, and he wont feel as busted.

I use to think harley quinn was close to busted, but the more I learn her match up the less scary she becomes, her hitboxes are nuts, has alot of far traveling moves and some even hit both sides. shes defenitly really good but I dont think shes busted like other people are saying. If shes up against a new player/casual player your cooked, but learn the matchup and she doesnt feel the same as bugs or...

Joker, Hes gotta be pretty close to best in game, no doubt top 3, crazy kit, His moves by themselves arent that crazy, but his kit as a whole makes everything so much harder to deal with, his projectiles alongside his normals is to much imo, his up airs lead to very easy kills similar to bugs, he feels like hes in control of the board no matter if your trying to attack from the side or above, he has to much utility, trying to close the distance on him is really hard, and you better not even try to float above him.

Banana guard has the same thing going on with harley imo, destroys new players/casuals, but learn the match up and hes pretty punishable, he feels busted because he can kill you with his netural dash attack (runs at you with spear) but if you bait the player into doing it and make him scared to put it out and the match up becomes less scary, at best hes just annoying and feels bad when he does hit you cause your gonna die, hard to say yet but I think hes fine and will move down the tier list once people figure him out more.

I dont know much about Finn but hes defenitly really good, not sure if hes broken would like to hear what people are saying about him

and as a batman main, idk if im being biased, but it seems like you gotta work really hard for him to be good, unlike joker, harley quinn, banana guard. would like to hear what people think about him too, hes def really good, but I feel like any hard opionion from me is going to be very biased so I dont really want to comment to much on it, I lean on him being top tier in the hands of a really good player that knows how to combo and do set ups with him, his 50/50 with his grappleing hook is really strong and obviously his batarang is insane, the fact that its a really solid projectile and you can get crazy combos from it seems really really good.

thoughts? Do you think any other characters deserve a mention?

Last thing would like to hear what people think about the Iron giant and shaggy, both these characters seem really good, but idk if I want to call them broken or top 5.

competitive players have been saying harley is top 1 in this version of the game, along with bugs. Iron giant "was" 1 in beta, but after they took away he armor he's B tier at best.

[treelaunka]

Originally posted by Snobby Hobo:

Iron Giant is currently busted in 1v1 if you know what you are doing. He has 2 infinite combo routes both of which are incredibly easy to pull off. I agree with the above comment that Iron Giant was a mistake; this character will either destroy everything or be useless, without anything inbetween.

Harley is really good in 1v1 because once she gets some damage on you she will just chain endless combos until you die. Wonder Woman is good in 1v1 because she's straight up broken overpowered. Bugs has insane buttons, but he's stronger in 2v2 because of the random zoning crap he throws about. Batman is probably one of the more balanced characters.

IG "had" great combo in the last game, but in this version he's really easy to shut out. One of the top players had zero answers for spamming shaggy and banana guards. He never got "a turn" in the fight, fully placed into stun-lock for 6 stocks.

Combo's don't matter, when you can't do them, especially in this release of MVS. Bugs has an infinite to death, while having none of the problems iron giant has. At that point, either the cast needs nerfs or IG would need a buff.

[HighLanderPony]

Bugs definitely has some bs going for him. Lots of KO power, big hitbox projectiles, kills at early percents, can be hard to catch.

Banana Guard I'm not sure about. His moves are hyper obnoxious unless you parry them but they're fairly okay to see coming, so a parry can be a punish every time. His KO power at low percents might still be too good tough.

[Snobby Hobo]

Originally posted by treelaunka:

Originally posted by Snobby Hobo:

Iron Giant is currently busted in 1v1 if you know what you are doing. He has 2 infinite combo routes both of which are incredibly easy to pull off. I agree with the above comment that Iron Giant was a mistake; this character will either destroy everything or be useless, without anything inbetween.

Harley is really good in 1v1 because once she gets some damage on you she will just chain endless combos until you die. Wonder Woman is good in 1v1 because she's straight up broken overpowered. Bugs has insane buttons, but he's stronger in 2v2 because of the random zoning crap he throws about. Batman is probably one of the more balanced characters.

IG "had" great combo in the last game, but in this version he's really easy to shut out. One of the top players had zero answers for spamming shaggy and banana guards. He never got "a turn" in the fight, fully placed into stun-lock for 6 stocks.

Combo's don't matter, when you can't do them, especially in this release of MVS. Bugs has an infinite to death, while having none of the problems iron giant has. At that point, either the cast needs nerfs or IG would need a buff.

That's the nature of Iron Giant's design. He either gets completely shut down or he destroys everything. Like I said: it's the one character I would actively like to see removed from the game.

Originally posted by HighLanderPony:

Bugs definitely has some bs going for him. Lots of KO power, big hitbox projectiles, kills at early percents, can be hard to catch.

Banana Guard I'm not sure about. His moves are hyper obnoxious unless you parry them but they're fairly okay to see coming, so a parry can be a punish every time. His KO power at low percents might still be too good tough.

No, Banana Guard is actually just overpowered. I'm pretty sure most people agree. We have Garnet, which is pretty trash, who seems designed entirely around the concept of "beating out your normals" (i.e. throw buttons and the opponent can't react with theirs) and then there's clown guard who does the exact same thing but 10 times better. Almost everything Banana guard does beats out your buttons, and he has to do absolutely nothing to get to that stage. The only problem this character has is that he cannot spam random nonsense all over the map, like Bugs or T&J.

[HighLanderPony]

Originally posted by Snobby Hobo:

Originally posted by treelaunka:

IG "had" great combo in the last game, but in this version he's really easy to shut out. One of the top players had zero answers for spamming shaggy and banana guards. He never got "a turn" in the fight, fully placed into stun-lock for 6 stocks.

Combo's don't matter, when you can't do them, especially in this release of MVS. Bugs has an infinite to death, while having none of the problems iron giant has. At that point, either the cast needs nerfs or IG would need a buff.

That's the nature of Iron Giant's design. He either gets completely shut down or he destroys everything. Like I said: it's the one character I would actively like to see removed from the game.

Originally posted by HighLanderPony:

Bugs definitely has some bs going for him. Lots of KO power, big hitbox projectiles, kills at early percents, can be hard to catch.

Banana Guard I'm not sure about. His moves are hyper obnoxious unless you parry them but they're fairly okay to see coming, so a parry can be a punish every time. His KO power at low percents might still be too good tough.

No, Banana Guard is actually just overpowered. I'm pretty sure most people agree. We have Garnet, which is pretty trash, who seems designed entirely around the concept of "beating out your normals" (i.e. throw buttons and the opponent can't react with theirs) and then there's clown guard who does the exact same thing but 10 times better. Almost everything Banana guard does beats out your buttons, and he has to do absolutely nothing to get to that stage. The only problem this character has is that he cannot spam random nonsense all over the map, like Bugs or T&J.

You really just said "no" to a few guesses and unsure analysis and an initiative to nerf him in a way. Weird but ok.

[Snobby Hobo]

Originally posted by HighLanderPony:

Originally posted by Snobby Hobo:

That's the nature of Iron Giant's design. He either gets completely shut down or he destroys everything. Like I said: it's the one character I would actively like to see removed from the game.



No, Banana Guard is actually just overpowered. I'm pretty sure most people agree. We have Garnet, which is pretty trash, who seems designed entirely around the concept of "beating out your normals" (i.e. throw buttons and the opponent can't react with theirs) and then there's clown guard who does the exact same thing but 10 times better. Almost everything Banana guard does beats out your buttons, and he has to do absolutely nothing to get to that stage. The only problem this character has is that he cannot spam random nonsense all over the map, like Bugs or T&J.

You really just said "no" to a few guesses and unsure analysis and an initiative to nerf him in a way. Weird but ok.

Kinda odd reaction. You literally constructed your entire comment as a dichotomy between conjecture and certainty... I disagreed. There is not much to argue about Banana Guard; almost everyone thinks he's at least very strong.

[HighLanderPony]

Originally posted by Snobby Hobo:

Originally posted by HighLanderPony:

You really just said "no" to a few guesses and unsure analysis and an initiative to nerf him in a way. Weird but ok.

Kinda odd reaction. You literally constructed your entire comment as a dichotomy between conjecture and certainty... I disagreed. There is not much to argue about Banana Guard; almost everyone thinks he's at least very strong.

Ok then.

[Chibbix]

Originally posted by HighLanderPony:

Banana Guard I'm not sure about. His moves are hyper obnoxious unless you parry them but they're fairly okay to see coming, so a parry can be a punish every time. His KO power at low percents might still be too good tough.

Nothing to say about him breaking destructibles in one hit with nearly every attack? Found our banana guard main.

The thing that really gets me about him: is how broken he is, alongside with how boring as hell he is. Like, Finn is also a melee only character, but at least he's fun to play (against); he's got tons of chase with his forward special in the air, his backpack adds a lot of spice to gameplay, and anytime you lose to one that was hyper aggressive chasing you, it's not because of him ledgeguarding while you're at 60%, and more because you could of timed a dodge better or repositioned somewhere else.

Iron Giant may be strong, but at least it's fun to smack him around the stage once he starts getting into the high percents and his giant hitbox starts working against him. Plus, at least all of his attacks don't take less than a twentieth of a second to execute and are pretty telegraphed.

The whole fact that BG's forward special hits way behind and above him, with no indication that it's part of it's attack frames, is fundamentally broken it should, at the very least, be telegraphed. Iron Giants explosion when. He lands using his down special in the air isn't invisible, so why should banana guard's charge be?

[Cheezie]

Dude that Banana Guard guy is so broken. lol That is some major BS he goes through everything with that spear.