You people do realise you’re getting a game with impossible characters right?

[Minute-globe]

There is no other game backed by a megacorp that can choose literally any character ever made for their roster except for Nintendo and by the grace of god you got it.

And you ♥♥♥♥♥ about the tiniest stupidest things. Im not saying that theres NOT problems they gotta work on but i’ll deal if we’re getting a game of this magnitude

[Sairek Ceareste]

Mozgus の投稿を引用：

Paroe の投稿を引用：

My guy people who whinge dont want the target of their whinging to be "better" - they want it to fail, and they want it to fail for the reasons **they** want.

Bingo. No one can claim this hate mob is doing it to "save" the game. Quite the opposite. Makes me wonder who's paying them. Still waiting on those "valid complaints". Only a few valid nitpicks that will likely be patched in quickly, like FFA mode.

Oh, what isn't valid about any of these?

• Slower game speed (subjective, but valid, and complained about a lot)
  
• Camera too zoomed in
  
• Character sizes seeming too big
  
• The (still) awful netcode
  
• The constant desyncing and crashing interrupting matches
  
• The incredibly scummy, anti consumer and predatory monetization
  
• The extremely terrible optimization
  
• Having bots pretend to be real players in a PvP mode
  
• The worse UI that feels like it was made for mobile by being difficult to navigate, requiring far too many clicks (especially when having to collect rewards that are spread out between a dozen different places) and just being difficult to read in general
  
• Having to click through 20 different menus instead of just being given the rewards
  
• Several quality of switch neutral and side neutral
  
• The removal of changing your controls in training mode
  
• The removal of being able to test out characters in training mode
  
• The game becoming more expensive via slower progression, the nerfing of toasts, removal of post match EXP, the increased pricing on skins averaging $20 USD, and making freemium currency skins change into premium
  
• The removal of both scoreboards and leaderboards
  
• The removal of input buffer settings and having it locked at approximately 30 frames
  
• The game always being online now instead of having an offline local play
  
• The removal of spectator mode in local play
  
• The removal of being able to switch fighters inbetween rematches
  
• The Removal of 1v1 bots and 2v2 bots
  
• Rift punishing solo players and requiring a second player to even complete properly
  
• Gems being far too grindy and making the game incredibly pay to win
  
• Career profiles being lackluster and even less customizable than the beta
  
• Xbox versions looks awful and runs awful.

This isn't "trolling". It's what we call "feedback". And most of it, regardless of you disagreeing with it either all, some, or one of them, is valid constructive criticism. The current review score of the game on the store page reflects this sentiment with the majority of the playerbase. This isn't a vocal minority dissatisfied with the game set to sabotage it to make it fail due to some personal vendetta.
This may be hard to comprehend for you, but most people do not want this game to fail. A failed game helps nobody. It doesn't help the players, it doesn't help the company and it definitely doesn't do the developers any favors. Everybody loses when a game fails and dies, and live service games like this one are especially vulnerable to fail and never be playable again. Nobody except actual trolls celebrates when this happens.
People give constructive feedback because they want to like a game and they hope to see it fixed and improved so they can enjoy it and it succeeds. If people wanted the game to fail, they wouldn't be giving the game some very valid criticisms to inform the developers the problems it has for them to fix.

YOU however are doing a very good job at killing it by trying to shut out this very valid, very constructive criticism. What is even the long-term goal with this sentiment? Have the problems with the game not be resolved so the people grievanced by the problems just up and leave, lowering player numbers, revenue, media attention and community health?

I need to remind you that this game is not in beta anymore. This is live. It's released. It has a shop that it wants to monetize to make money. This is an actual product, which makes it completely valid to receive criticism. Yes, I understand stuff will be "fixed soon" but the problem is that it should have been fixed now.
This list of 25 problems (and I didn't even list them all, like the infinites, bugs and softlocks) should not exist at this stage. Most game don't even get a second chance like this game has. People already gave it a first shot, they're not going to be nearly so patient and forgiving on a second. This second window is extremely critical for the future survival of this game and the situation is extremely dire. The current state of the game is not a game that will be alive by the end of the year and you are fooling yourself to think otherwise when plenty of other live service games have died for far less.

[Netsa]

Paroe の投稿を引用：

Netsa の投稿を引用：

Why are you sure anything is going to be "patched in quickly"...?

I don't really know how that ruins people's futures, but I also don't know why you think people only complain about things they hate. This isn't that black and white, people complain about things for different reasons.

In this instance, most of the people complaining DO want the game to improve.

FFA is actually available in customs. It was never removed from the game like a lot of haters say - you just dont have FFA with randoms.

As for "I don't really know how that ruins people's futures"; I bet you bullied people in school and think its just them being to weak to fight back right? Bullying is a victimless crime, they just need to suck it up and better themselves, right? RIGHT?!

"but I also don't know why you think people only complain about things they hate. "
Whinging is not simply complaining. Complaining for complaining sake also has no value, and people who complain mindlessly specifically to harm are doing so with malicious, not constructive, intent.
Also, look up the definition of whinging. Because 99% of the people who are 'complaining' are whinging, and their complaints dont even have a soap box for them to stand on.

I'll try to keep this short.
- Never have faith in corporations. Just because it makes sense doesn't mean it's going to happen.

- I assume that's some weird connection you personally make when someone says "they're mean to you because they like you", but it's a pretty wild strawman, I gotta say.

- I'm not entertaining your Word Of The Day. You know what we're talking about. Point out anyone you believe is simply being malicious. If it's 99%, that should be easy.

[Minute-globe]

how to delete thread? too much whining holy craaaappppp....

[Zen]

funniest part is how its made by warner and they own 90% of the characters

[Cevanth]

Brother in christ. The beta was better than this full release. How can you explain that? Complaining is the only thing that might make devs see reason. They need to fix the problems ASAP, otherwise there will be no future for this game.

When the game constantly disconnects you, and crashes to your desktop. I'm sorry, but I have all the right in the world to complain.

Also, what the hell is that PR reply you marked as the answer? How much did WB paid that guy?

[Mozgus]

Sairek Ceareste の投稿を引用：

• Slower game speed (subjective, but valid, and complained about a lot)
  
• Camera too zoomed in
  
• Character sizes seeming too big
  
• The (still) awful netcode
  
• The constant desyncing and crashing interrupting matches
  
• The incredibly scummy, anti consumer and predatory monetization
  
• The extremely terrible optimization
  
• Having bots pretend to be real players in a PvP mode
  
• The worse UI that feels like it was made for mobile by being difficult to navigate, requiring far too many clicks (especially when having to collect rewards that are spread out between a dozen different places) and just being difficult to read in general
  
• Having to click through 20 different menus instead of just being given the rewards
  
• Several quality of switch neutral and side neutral
  
• The removal of changing your controls in training mode
  
• The removal of being able to test out characters in training mode
  
• The game becoming more expensive via slower progression, the nerfing of toasts, removal of post match EXP, the increased pricing on skins averaging $20 USD, and making freemium currency skins change into premium
  
• The removal of both scoreboards and leaderboards
  
• The removal of input buffer settings and having it locked at approximately 30 frames
  
• The game always being online now instead of having an offline local play
  
• The removal of spectator mode in local play
  
• The removal of being able to switch fighters inbetween rematches
  
• The Removal of 1v1 bots and 2v2 bots
  
• Rift punishing solo players and requiring a second player to even complete properly
  
• Gems being far too grindy and making the game incredibly pay to win
  
• Career profiles being lackluster and even less customizable than the beta
  
• Xbox versions looks awful and runs awful.

• Slower game speed by 10% was logical and is better for everyone
  
• Camera zooming when theres nothing worth seeing elsewhere is logical
  
• Character sizes seeming too big? Duplicate of prior nonsense
  
• Netcode has been perfect for 98% of my matches. Dont play on wifi, dummy.
  
• Not one instance of desyncing and crashing interrupting matches
  
• Monetization exactly like all other F2P games with BP
  
• Optimized perfectly fine and runs at a flawless 120fps here
  
• Bots pretend to be real players in a PvP mode FOR ONE SINGLE MATCH EVER
  
• UI is less cluttered than before. You speak nonsense. I got screenshots of the beta.
  
• Clicking on menus? Use a controller, fool.
  
• switch neutral and side neutral? HOW DARE THEY CHANGE ANYTHING?!
  
• More whining about a tutorial you only use for 10 minutes
  
• The removal of being able to test out characters in training mode? 100% lie here.
  
  
• The game becoming more expensive via slower progression, the nerfing of toasts, removal of post match EXP, the increased pricing on skins averaging $20 USD, and making freemium currency skins change into premium
  Gasp, your only complaint. It's almost as if the beta gave away everything far too easily, hence, a BETA.
  
  
• Scoreboards? Who cares? It's Smash. and leaderboards? So 500 cheaters can show 99999:1 ratio all season like all other games do?
  
• Buffer and lag talk again. How do I have no lag here? Get a gaming monitor, bud.
  
• No offline local play, sure, are you brigading the hundreds of other free games that do this too? They're FREE.
  
• Spectator mode would be an easy thing, but again, start with the hundreds of other games that lack this also. Sounds like boring e-sports waste of time.
  
• Switch fighters inbetween rematches? That's NOT A REMATCH THEN!
  
• 1v1 bots and 2v2 bots Rifts are here. Even still, they will add this back easily.
  
• Rift punishing solo players? Promoting multiplayer is not a "punishment". You will live.
  
• Gems being far too grindy, and yet my gems keep going up at a reasonable speed. Do your dailies. Its easy. Again, free game.
  
• Career profiles being lackluster? I cant think of any more data I care to see. I dont want excel docs or LGBT banners.
  
• Xbox versions looks awful and runs awful. Yeah, its an Xbox. All Xbox systems are a joke. Now I know what your real issue is. Shilling on Steam out of jealousy. You outted yourself.
  
  
  There we go. You've been obliterated. Shoo now. Not reading the rest of your insane novel. We got real lives to attend to.

[Mozgus]

Cevanth の投稿を引用：

Also, what the hell is that PR reply you marked as the answer? How much did WB paid that guy?

Ah now I am the paid shill, lol. 20 year steam account means nothing I guess. I continue to wait for you shills to actually name a better Smash title on PC.

[Toyota AE86]

Your reviews and most played games are exaclty why this game is doomed.

[Sairek Ceareste]

Mozgus の投稿を引用：

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All you can respond with is "I" and "me" as a rebuttle to everyone's criticism? "I'm okay with it, so everyone else needs to be"?
And then throw personal insults at me like a petulant child because you lack any actual coherent argument like behaving like a 10 year old somehow makes your points anymore persuasive. Embarrassing.
And then "it's free" is not a valid argument. It's a for profit game at the end of the day, I and many other people are going to judge it as such.


No one cares if YOU don't have desync or network issues. I don't have desync or network issues either. Everyone else in my matches sure does though. And if ONE person has a problem, then EVERYONE in the match is going to have a problem because that's how syncing works. And of course that person who does have network problems, possibly through no fault of their own, is going to have the game be nigh uplayable. And guess what? That means a customer who could have made the game money is gone.

Apply same argument to pretty much the rest of your post.



Don't tell me to shoo like a dog. It's a public open forum. You're not a moderator. Go make your own personal blog if you don't like people disagreeing with you and you can't discuss like a grown civilized adult.

[Netsa]

Mozgus の投稿を引用：

• Slower game speed by 10% was logical and is better for everyone
  
• Camera zooming when theres nothing worth seeing elsewhere is logical
  
• Not one instance of desyncing and crashing interrupting matches
  
• Bots pretend to be real players in a PvP mode FOR ONE SINGLE MATCH EVER
  
• switch neutral and side neutral? HOW DARE THEY CHANGE ANYTHING?!
  
• The removal of being able to test out characters in training mode? 100% lie here.
  
  
• Scoreboards? Who cares? It's Smash. and leaderboards? So 500 cheaters can show 99999:1 ratio all season like all other games do?
  
• No offline local play, sure, are you brigading the hundreds of other free games that do this too? They're FREE.
  
• Switch fighters inbetween rematches? That's NOT A REMATCH THEN!
  
• Rift punishing solo players? Promoting multiplayer is not a "punishment". You will live.
  
• Career profiles being lackluster? I cant think of any more data I care to see. I dont want excel docs or LGBT banners.
  
  You've been obliterated.

I ran through this while trying to cut out some of the mindless fluff so it's easier for people to see the, uhh... "obliteration."

I'm not even going to add anything. What you say here really does tell us all we need to know, and it needs to be preserved in case you delete it in the future.

[Skeleton(Yakuza the best)]

found the WB bootlicker who think constructive criticism is bad. This is really sad

[Mozgus]

Shills mad. And give me more clowns. I enjoy spending them.

[YRGNuggies]

bruh i still havent gotten my twitch drops and its been 2 days i have all of my stuff connected

[KripTed]

Pay to win broken trash with 56k modem servers.

[Sairek Ceareste]

Mozgus の投稿を引用：

Shills mad. And give me more clowns. I enjoy spending them.

You're giving yourself far too little credit to think people are genuinely angry or upset at this kind of comedy you're providing them.

The best way to expose nonsense is to give it a stage to speak on, after all.