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i'm doing that, i'm DIing out when hit too, it just doesn't work.
yeah well what i'm getting from this is that he might actually be broken.
we'll see with later tier lists, i guess until then i'm just gonna alt F4 whenever i see him, i just can't figure it out and it's very frustrating getting hit by attacks you've dodged.
wait what ? we must not be playing the same game, his moves have the most range out of all characters. maybe banana guard ? are you a banana guard player ? otherwise i don't see how you could come to that conclusion U_u
now yeah trying bait out his moves from afar to then punish can be decent, but i think i'm at a decently high elo and the ones i've seen play HYPER defensive. and i don't have moves that can hit even if dodged like he does.
fun fact is i usually win neutral against them by mixing up my approaches, pretty sure in all of those matches i've done way more damage than they did *while on the stage*.
the thing is it takes one hit to get stuck in lenghty combos out of which i was unable to escape even though i was DI-ing out and dodging out when given the chance but i'd still get hit by lingering attacks (like the spinny thing where he advances at the same time and has a hitbox the size of a building).
the other thing which is caused by the same issues, is that whenever i was offstage out of a combo, i had huge trouble getting back on stage, for the same reasons. most of the time i just wouldn't make it back, the times i'd get back on stage wasn't without taking an easy 60 or 80 damage in the process. (just in case, i don't have consistent issues getting back on stage against other chars, not like against IG, cause again i get hit even though i dodged the attacks.)
i'm thinking the spinny move you might have to dodge inwards actually, since he advances at the same time. idk. even if true that's a lot of knowledge required to fight ONE character (cause yeah, that's only one of the problematic moves)
and, i appreciate you guys tryna help, i really do, but i'd appreciate if we could restrain from giving advice if we don't have experience in the matchup ^^'
He has no defense options anymore to counter attack most situations. So, he's really just S-tier if you do not know the match-up. I have zero issue killing him, and he's really only strong when people ignore him...which means they do not know the match up.
just a shot in the dark, my guess is since they slowed down the game, it was an inadvertant buff to the slowest character in the game.
okay I hear you, although i'm not talking about 2s, should have mentionned that i play only 1s. but since you seem to know the match-up can you please share on it ?
i'm guessing you have to dodge in a different direction depending on the specific attacks ? some you have to dodge inwards and some outwards ? maybe even up/down for some others ?
I still feel like that's a lot of character specific knowledge required here.. but if that's how it is then i guess i'm gonna have to roll with it.
please teach us the match up :) def not gonna learn that against bots.