[SPOILERS] Is it me or is Phin really insufferable?

[Azakun]

Oh my god, she is a really unlikable "redeemable" villain. She was willing to sacrifice the entire Harlem for a revenge attempt that was going to do NOTHING, and also kill Miles??
I get that we were supposed to understand that she lost Rick right in front of her, but there's a line between being traumatized and wanting justice at all costs and being completely STUPID.
In all honesty, I wasn't even sad when she died. The Prowler was way more enjoyable character, and he actually made a sufficient difference in the end, the corporate overlord was arrested because of him.

[Salad Tosser Joe]

It seems pretty clear that you weren't following the story here at all.

[RageMojo]

I agree with Joe. It was stated in no uncertain terms that she didnt know or think the core was changed enough to blow up Harlem. You sound like your looking for reasons to hate.

[GladiatorB200]

she is, she's a sue the game will never call out truly
also she never loses even by the end game won't let u win completely

[RageMojo]

Origineel geplaatst door GladiatorB200:

she is, she's a sue the game will never call out truly
also she never loses even by the end game won't let u win completely

LOL what a childish view.

The entire point was about their friendship and the conflict that brought. Miles was holding back and the game made that clear. She was then given the chance to redeem herself for their past friendship.

[Dust]

I don't like how she was written much either but she clearly thinks Miles is lying when he tells her that blowing up the reactor will do much more damage than she initially thought. Why Miles would do that, to what end, no idea. She ran the numbers, dammit.

To be completely honest, I'm more annoyed by the fact that Miles not telling her that he's Spider-man constitutes an unforgivable breach of trust, like she wasn't blowing up apartment buildings left and right just a few hours prior to that when the two of them were racing through the city, letting the debris rain down on crowded streets. Never addressed, by the way.

Also, unless I missed something, didn't Phin's brother working close to Nuform give him über cancer ? Knowing that, why would she think that blowing up a reactor full of the stuff in the middle of one of the most densely populated areas on the planet would ever be a good idea ? It's like if your brother died as a result of radiation poisoning by working at Chernobyl NPP, so you decide to get back at life by blowing up the plant so nobody ever dies of radiation poisoning ever again.

[RageMojo]

Origineel geplaatst door Dust:

I don't like how she was written much either but she clearly thinks Miles is lying when he tells her that blowing up the reactor will do much more damage than she initially thought. Why Miles would do that, to what end, no idea. She ran the numbers, dammit.

To be completely honest, I'm more annoyed by the fact that Miles not telling her that he's Spider-man constitutes an unforgivable breach of trust, like she wasn't blowing up apartment buildings left and right just a few hours prior to that when the two of them were racing through the city, letting the debris rain down on crowded streets. Never addressed, by the way.

Also, unless I missed something, didn't Phin's brother working close to Nuform give him über cancer ? Knowing that, why would she think that blowing up a reactor full of the stuff in the middle of one of the most densely populated areas on the planet would ever be a good idea ? It's like if your brother died as a result of radiation poisoning by working at Chernobyl NPP, so you decide to get back at life by blowing up the plant so nobody ever dies of radiation poisoning ever again.

WTF, that is not even close to what happened. Do you people pay attention to the games you play.....

Phin and Rick broke into Roxxon and Krieger caught them and murdered Rick. Hence her endless rage at Krieger and Roxxon. FFS.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDiHsEQMQos

[Dust]

Yes... and he had a deadly disease due to Nuform exposure, which is the reason why the two of them broke into the building in the first place. They wanted to shut down the supply in New York as well as "the backups in Jersey", so that Krieger would have no way of reverse engineering anything I presume, and so the secrets of the Nuform fabrication process would die with Rick, as Krieger only knows how to "sell other people's ideas", as Phin paraphrased it. None of what you said contradicted what I said.

I do try to pay attention. You don't have to speak to people like that, you know. We can have a civil conversation.

[Xen0christ]

Origineel geplaatst door Otávio:

Oh my god, she is a really unlikable "redeemable" villain. She was willing to sacrifice the entire Harlem for a revenge attempt that was going to do NOTHING, and also kill Miles??
I get that we were supposed to understand that she lost Rick right in front of her, but there's a line between being traumatized and wanting justice at all costs and being completely STUPID.
In all honesty, I wasn't even sad when she died. The Prowler was way more enjoyable character, and he actually made a sufficient difference in the end, the corporate overlord was arrested because of him.

I agree. One of the worst villains.

[Xen0christ]

Origineel geplaatst door RageMojo:

Origineel geplaatst door Dust:

I don't like how she was written much either but she clearly thinks Miles is lying when he tells her that blowing up the reactor will do much more damage than she initially thought. Why Miles would do that, to what end, no idea. She ran the numbers, dammit.

To be completely honest, I'm more annoyed by the fact that Miles not telling her that he's Spider-man constitutes an unforgivable breach of trust, like she wasn't blowing up apartment buildings left and right just a few hours prior to that when the two of them were racing through the city, letting the debris rain down on crowded streets. Never addressed, by the way.

Also, unless I missed something, didn't Phin's brother working close to Nuform give him über cancer ? Knowing that, why would she think that blowing up a reactor full of the stuff in the middle of one of the most densely populated areas on the planet would ever be a good idea ? It's like if your brother died as a result of radiation poisoning by working at Chernobyl NPP, so you decide to get back at life by blowing up the plant so nobody ever dies of radiation poisoning ever again.

WTF, that is not even close to what happened. Do you people pay attention to the games you play.....

Phin and Rick broke into Roxxon and Krieger caught them and murdered Rick. Hence her endless rage at Krieger and Roxxon. FFS.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDiHsEQMQos

They were wrong on one account and that was his death. Otherwise "not even close" is a reach of a reaction.

[Xen0christ]

Origineel geplaatst door RageMojo:

I agree with Joe. It was stated in no uncertain terms that she didnt know or think the core was changed enough to blow up Harlem. You sound like your looking for reasons to hate.

Yes let's blow it up and accomplish literally nothing VS go to the people with all of the evidence needed to send him away for life lel

Phin is ignorant all because her bff didn't say he was spider-man

[Fax_the_Sender]

if you think Phin was a terrible villain, watch falcon and the winter soldier.
the villain in that is probably the most boring and non menacing villain in the MCU.

should've gone with an adult as the villain.

Phin was alright as she had cool gear and an actual backstory. she was at least somewhat interesting.

[RageMojo]

Origineel geplaatst door Theryn:

Origineel geplaatst door RageMojo:

WTF, that is not even close to what happened. Do you people pay attention to the games you play.....

Phin and Rick broke into Roxxon and Krieger caught them and murdered Rick. Hence her endless rage at Krieger and Roxxon. FFS.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDiHsEQMQos

They were wrong on one account and that was his death. Otherwise "not even close" is a reach of a reaction.

Gee dying of cancer vs being murdered, yes sooo close to the same.

[RageMojo]

Origineel geplaatst door Theryn:

Origineel geplaatst door RageMojo:

I agree with Joe. It was stated in no uncertain terms that she didnt know or think the core was changed enough to blow up Harlem. You sound like your looking for reasons to hate.

Yes let's blow it up and accomplish literally nothing VS go to the people with all of the evidence needed to send him away for life lel

Phin is ignorant all because her bff didn't say he was spider-man

Yes, she became a villain duh.

[Dust]

Origineel geplaatst door Theryn:

They were wrong on one account and that was his death. Otherwise "not even close" is a reach of a reaction.

Oh, so that's what the other guy got really mad at. I didn't mean to imply that Rick died specifically because of the bone marrow decay he contracted due to Nuform exposure, I know full well Krieger killed him. It's kinda hard to miss. It was only a hypothetical related to what Phin *should* know about Nuform exposure; and he would've died of it anyway had Krieger not killed him. I agree I should've worded it better, though.

[Ingel Riday]

Origineel geplaatst door Otávio:

Oh my god, she is a really unlikable "redeemable" villain. She was willing to sacrifice the entire Harlem for a revenge attempt that was going to do NOTHING, and also kill Miles??
I get that we were supposed to understand that she lost Rick right in front of her, but there's a line between being traumatized and wanting justice at all costs and being completely STUPID.
In all honesty, I wasn't even sad when she died. The Prowler was way more enjoyable character, and he actually made a sufficient difference in the end, the corporate overlord was arrested because of him.

I mean... yeah.

I never really liked Phin, either. Insomniac Games just kind of... didn't stick the landing with her.

A. She's somehow a master engineer, capable of creating better tech than giant tech corporations like Roxxon? How? She's 18 years old. I could buy that she had access to Roxxon servers because of Rick, pulled a bunch of schematics from their databases, and then modified them to suit her purposes... but creating all of the Underground tech alone, out of the blue, in a few months? Eh.

B. How is she always bypassing Miles' spider-sense? She gets the jump on him OVER AND OVER, frequently overpowering him with surprise attacks. I get that spider-sense is a plot device, working only when and where it is convenient for the writing team, but ugh. It comes across as very ham-fisted and tiresome. The only time spider-sense works is on the last boss fight with her, of course.

C. If you buy the "Art of Spider-Man: Miles Morales" book, the blurbs note that Insomniac staff thought Phin was super cool and someone they'd "like to have a drink with." They clearly liked their character A LOT, but that's a problem in of itself... you can't overly pamper your darlings. The game never confronts Phin with the reality that, in arming a violent criminal gang with sci-fi tech and using them to commit terrorist attacks across New York City, she is endangering countless lives. How many Rick-equivalents are going to die because of her? How many families are going to get torn apart due to her attacks?

She doesn't care. She only wants results. The end justifies the means. Incidentally, Simon Krieger doesn't care about the potential dangers of Nuform. He only wants results. The end justifies the means.

The game never confronts Phin. Has no interest, because the creative team loved her too much. She only realizes the full extent of her madness at the very end of the main campaign, at which point she effectively commits suicide via Spider. It's a "redemption" that feels unearned, selfish, and absurd. I rolled my eyes the whole time, and then laughed derisively when Miles calls his mom afterwards to ask whether or not Phin was a hero after all.

So yeah, not a fan. She's not an entirely awful character, though. Phin has a good amount of charisma and humor when she's not doing the super-villain thing, and a little tweaking to the writing would have put her in great shape.

But... the game is done. She is what she is, warts and all.

Edit addition: also, I know how the internet works. Sorry, y'all. I'm not a racist or sexist. Not liking how they wrote Phin doesn't make me evil. Thanks in advance, though.