[SPOILERS] Is it me or is Phin really insufferable?

[Azakun]

Oh my god, she is a really unlikable "redeemable" villain. She was willing to sacrifice the entire Harlem for a revenge attempt that was going to do NOTHING, and also kill Miles??
I get that we were supposed to understand that she lost Rick right in front of her, but there's a line between being traumatized and wanting justice at all costs and being completely STUPID.
In all honesty, I wasn't even sad when she died. The Prowler was way more enjoyable character, and he actually made a sufficient difference in the end, the corporate overlord was arrested because of him.

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Originalmente postado por Ingel Riday:

Originalmente postado por Otávio:

Oh my god, she is a really unlikable "redeemable" villain. She was willing to sacrifice the entire Harlem for a revenge attempt that was going to do NOTHING, and also kill Miles??
I get that we were supposed to understand that she lost Rick right in front of her, but there's a line between being traumatized and wanting justice at all costs and being completely STUPID.
In all honesty, I wasn't even sad when she died. The Prowler was way more enjoyable character, and he actually made a sufficient difference in the end, the corporate overlord was arrested because of him.

I mean... yeah.

I never really liked Phin, either. Insomniac Games just kind of... didn't stick the landing with her.

A. She's somehow a master engineer, capable of creating better tech than giant tech corporations like Roxxon? How? She's 18 years old. I could buy that she had access to Roxxon servers because of Rick, pulled a bunch of schematics from their databases, and then modified them to suit her purposes... but creating all of the Underground tech alone, out of the blue, in a few months? Eh.

B. How is she always bypassing Miles' spider-sense? She gets the jump on him OVER AND OVER, frequently overpowering him with surprise attacks. I get that spider-sense is a plot device, working only when and where it is convenient for the writing team, but ugh. It comes across as very ham-fisted and tiresome. The only time spider-sense works is on the last boss fight with her, of course.

C. If you buy the "Art of Spider-Man: Miles Morales" book, the blurbs note that Insomniac staff thought Phin was super cool and someone they'd "like to have a drink with." They clearly liked their character A LOT, but that's a problem in of itself... you can't overly pamper your darlings. The game never confronts Phin with the reality that, in arming a violent criminal gang with sci-fi tech and using them to commit terrorist attacks across New York City, she is endangering countless lives. How many Rick-equivalents are going to die because of her? How many families are going to get torn apart due to her attacks?

She doesn't care. She only wants results. The end justifies the means. Incidentally, Simon Krieger doesn't care about the potential dangers of Nuform. He only wants results. The end justifies the means.

The game never confronts Phin. Has no interest, because the creative team loved her too much. She only realizes the full extent of her madness at the very end of the main campaign, at which point she effectively commits suicide via Spider. It's a "redemption" that feels unearned, selfish, and absurd. I rolled my eyes the whole time, and then laughed derisively when Miles calls his mom afterwards to ask whether or not Phin was a hero after all.

So yeah, not a fan. She's not an entirely awful character, though. Phin has a good amount of charisma and humor when she's not doing the super-villain thing, and a little tweaking to the writing would have put her in great shape.

But... the game is done. She is what she is, warts and all.

Edit addition: also, I know how the internet works. Sorry, y'all. I'm not a racist or sexist. Not liking how they wrote Phin doesn't make me evil. Thanks in advance, though.

agreed they should have spent more time with molding her story.

if they had gone with her starting off helping miles try to bring Roxxon to justice and eventuallly it not working out then her turn to the dark side that would have work way better than her learning her mistake 5 seconds before the end of her life.

Like Doc Oc was generally a good person with hatred towards osborn from the beginning and when we find out the neural interface is increasing his hatred and destroying his reasoning abilities it was too late for his turn to the dark side and even after we beat him he is not fully himself. and that story work very well.

They should have molded that similar story with phin but she would know miles was spiderman and all that. And through out the story we as spiderman/miles help her with her equipment creation and all that since according the their story they were kid geniuses. To me the story was a bit rushed.

[Silas]

Originalmente postado por Ingel Riday:

Originalmente postado por Otávio:

Oh my god, she is a really unlikable "redeemable" villain. She was willing to sacrifice the entire Harlem for a revenge attempt that was going to do NOTHING, and also kill Miles??
I get that we were supposed to understand that she lost Rick right in front of her, but there's a line between being traumatized and wanting justice at all costs and being completely STUPID.
In all honesty, I wasn't even sad when she died. The Prowler was way more enjoyable character, and he actually made a sufficient difference in the end, the corporate overlord was arrested because of him.

I mean... yeah.

I never really liked Phin, either. Insomniac Games just kind of... didn't stick the landing with her.

A. She's somehow a master engineer, capable of creating better tech than giant tech corporations like Roxxon? How? She's 18 years old. I could buy that she had access to Roxxon servers because of Rick, pulled a bunch of schematics from their databases, and then modified them to suit her purposes... but creating all of the Underground tech alone, out of the blue, in a few months? Eh.

B. How is she always bypassing Miles' spider-sense? She gets the jump on him OVER AND OVER, frequently overpowering him with surprise attacks. I get that spider-sense is a plot device, working only when and where it is convenient for the writing team, but ugh. It comes across as very ham-fisted and tiresome. The only time spider-sense works is on the last boss fight with her, of course.

C. If you buy the "Art of Spider-Man: Miles Morales" book, the blurbs note that Insomniac staff thought Phin was super cool and someone they'd "like to have a drink with." They clearly liked their character A LOT, but that's a problem in of itself... you can't overly pamper your darlings. The game never confronts Phin with the reality that, in arming a violent criminal gang with sci-fi tech and using them to commit terrorist attacks across New York City, she is endangering countless lives. How many Rick-equivalents are going to die because of her? How many families are going to get torn apart due to her attacks?

She doesn't care. She only wants results. The end justifies the means. Incidentally, Simon Krieger doesn't care about the potential dangers of Nuform. He only wants results. The end justifies the means.

The game never confronts Phin. Has no interest, because the creative team loved her too much. She only realizes the full extent of her madness at the very end of the main campaign, at which point she effectively commits suicide via Spider. It's a "redemption" that feels unearned, selfish, and absurd. I rolled my eyes the whole time, and then laughed derisively when Miles calls his mom afterwards to ask whether or not Phin was a hero after all.

So yeah, not a fan. She's not an entirely awful character, though. Phin has a good amount of charisma and humor when she's not doing the super-villain thing, and a little tweaking to the writing would have put her in great shape.

But... the game is done. She is what she is, warts and all.

Edit addition: also, I know how the internet works. Sorry, y'all. I'm not a racist or sexist. Not liking how they wrote Phin doesn't make me evil. Thanks in advance, though.

love this reply, i absolutely agree with you, she's not an awful character, just from the mid game to the end... the endgame was sufferable for me, i was almost screaming for her to shut up, worst ending ever for a spider man game.