Who is cooler Miles or Peter.? ^^

[EisenDragonSlayer]

For me is Gwen my favorite xD

[0k]

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And a final fact, "those other characters" they were limited runs in the story per arc at max, no one ever tried to take the title from Peter as the meta,

Ben Reilly is a nearly fifty year old character who outright replaced Peter as Spider-Man on multiple occasions. He was literally the main Spider-Man more than once.

That's never really been the case for Miles. His being an Ultimate universe character meant that even when they killed off the Ultimate Peter Parker, the original Marvel universe Spider-Man still continued on, completely unaffected. And when they brought Miles into the 616 continuity, they still didn't replace Peter Parker, either.

there was never a movie or a game or a mainstream comic line for Spider-Man 2099 or Noir or the other most popular alt verse Spidermen over Peter, its only one version thats getting shoved in people faces.

The 2099 comic run was never that popular, and the entire thing only lasted about seven years. Miles has been around longer than that by this point. Spider Noir was a limited run in a series of limited runs. Not surprising a character with four issues at the time didn't get turned into movies and video games, any more than What If? versions don't get that kind of treatment either. Miles on the other hand was introduced into the line of comics that heavily influenced the MCU.

As for why there's more Miles stuff, as much as right-wing bobbleheads love to hate him, he's proven popular. The notion that'd they'd carry this character for so long, across multiple forms of media, if he didn't sell well is absurd. Into the Spider-Verse was both critically lauded and well received by audiences. It's the reason there's a video game spin-off with him in it.

You don't have to like it, but again, the saltiness won't make him any less popular. It's the same reason Spider-Gwen started appearing everywhere. There was an audience for it, including with people who wouldn't have been interested in comics beforehand. Their enjoyment of comics isn't any less authentic than yours is.

your country is so divided in politics, so brainwashed that you only see two sides,

Nah, this isn't about sides, this is more how angry young men have railed against media they feel traditionally represented them that have since expanded to be more inclusive. Like comic books. The whole "anti-woke" mentality is just bitter grapes. Are some inclusive characters poorly done? Sure, but there's countless poorly done superheros out there. They don't all have to be white.

But your notion that seemingly any minority take on an existing character is just a "token," well, that's just lazy thinking. You don't have to like Miles, but it honestly sounds like you've never considered giving him a fair shake as a character.

[Boosted Panda]

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Dont now why they had to black wash a character instead of just writing a new one

Miles is an original character from the comic that's been around for over a decade now. Calling Miles a black-washed version of spider-man is the most brain dead take ive seen by dumb “get woke, go broke” folks like you. Miles oozes so much personality & Brooklyn culture in this game and its such a fresh take on the million versions of peter we get in the media.

[antiPLUR]

This thread is so racist and cringe. You guys are upset that spider man is a different race than you are, which is exactly why there needs to be multi-racial representation in superhero media. Is it really that much of a stretch to put yourself in someone else's shoes?

[antiPLUR]

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You're in the company of Weinstein and a whole host of corrupted, evil people in Hollywood who agree with you.

If I was evil enough to "casting couch" women I'd be all for some diversity too.

I like how the idea of diversity has to be thrown out entirely if anyone who ever promoted it turns out to be a not very good person. Is that seriously your argument? Weinstein promoted diversity at some point in his life, therefore diversity is bad? Come on.

And what are you defending, exactly? The non-acceptance of minority characters who in any way resemble an existing character? They're not exactly in the same ballpark.

Racists will do anything to avoid admitting what they are, even so far as the ad infinitum strategy like that kai guy seems to be fond of. You are wasting your time arguing with these idiots. Unfortunately all of this bad blood needs to be bled out on its own over time, you aren't going to convince racist white people of the truth.

I have an issue with Miles Morales as a character because I think making his dad a hero cop was a bit tone deaf in these times we live in (I'm not sure when the character was created--my only experience of spider-man is the game because I don't read comics and I didn't see the movies). I also wish they kept the science nerd aspect because I think there is under representation of black nerd culture in media. Why did his friend have to give him the drone hacking app? Why couldn't he program it himself? You can be black, cool, and a nerd; these things aren't exclusive of each other and I think it was a missed opportunity. But, I think he's a step in the right direction.

[Arucard]

Aren't they both supposed to be dorky outcasts? Neither are cooler, that was what was attractive about Spider-Man initially. He wasn't a super-powered alien, or billionaire with honed detective skills, just some nerd that fell into power and responsibility. Most versions of Spider-Man are basically on the same level, I think Stan Lee described the reason he saw the character being so popular in multiple interviews way before there were various versions of him.
If those alternates negated the classic version we've loved, they would disappear quickly. If they only add more to the story, legacy, or the like, it's pretty much par for the course in the comic world. The idea is to expand, not restrict.

[0k]

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I have an issue with Miles Morales as a character because I think making his dad a hero cop was a bit tone deaf in these times we live in (I'm not sure when the character was created--my only experience of spider-man is the game because I don't read comics and I didn't see the movies).

If you think that's tone deaf, consider the father's name is Jefferson Davis. You know, after the Confederate president. I think it's since been changed in the comic books (as in the character takes his wife's surname, rather than a retcon), but it's still weird that he was named that in the first place.

[KingOfFriedChicken]

Hands down, peter porker best spiderman!!! 2nd place is the girl with the spiderbot suit cuz thats just awesome lol.

[Aglet Green]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez StoriesBonesTell:

Dont now why they had to black wash a character instead of just writing a new one

Um, they did write a new character? His name is Miles Morales.

Just an FYI, Spider-Man is just an alias, and not a character. Peter Parker is the character. Just the same as Mac Gargan, Otto Octavius and others who have actually been called "Spider-Man" at one point or another.

The same could be said for quite a few other superheroes.

Ant-Man, Thor, Captain America, Wolverine, Hawkeye, Captain Marvel, Captain Britain, Superman, Batman, Green Lantern, War Machine, Goliath, and countless others... All of these superhero names have been used by multiple people. Some of them at the same time.

Excellent points. I'd add Ben Reilly, but I wouldn't want to derail this conversation especially as I always hated the whole arc with Professor Warren. But anyway you're right. Marvel has always had legacy characters, otherwise your namesake would be on a team with Toro and Jim Hammond, not Johnny Storm. Hammond of course, starred in the 1940s Timely comics with the Invisible Man and Flexo the Rubber Man and I'm sure there were Atlas comics with characters called the Thing from Planet X and the like.

Marvel is never afraid to capitalize on its legacy characters. For every Hulk there's a She-Hulk, for every Iron-Man an Iron-Heart, and Spider-Man has had MayDay, Spider-Woman, Arana~, Silk, Spider-Gwen, plus all the variations of Peter B., Ben, Peter Porker, Spider-Noir, Peni, Miguel O'Hara and the like.

[Kuja Feralus]

My take on this? I like this version of Peter Parker a lot having just finished SM Remastered, but I'm excited to experience Miles Morales.

What I want most, however, is a proper Spider-Man 2099 with Miguel O'Hara as the protagonist. All the stuff the world of 2099 could have you capable of is an untapped gold mine.

[Satiaan]

Peter parker is spiderman

Miles Morales is Miles Morales

[Punished Rusty Shackleford]

For me it's Aunt May in the Tom Holland version of Spiderman.

[AmERICan]

a lot of the comments on here just further proves that people only see legitimacy in classically white characters aka sloppy seconds. bunch of weirdos begging for the acceptance of white people. insecurity at its finest

[Punished Rusty Shackleford]

10/10 bait thread. It's now entered the phase where trolls are trolling trolls.

Race baiting is such effective troll bait.

[MadZec]

Peter Parker all the way, I mean he is Spider Man....
Miles is just spin off, and everyone will always see Peter as Spider Man.
Same as when you say Bruce Wayne as Batman or Clark Kent as Super Man.... no matter how much wo ke media tries to switch those characters.
Plus considering how Spider Man ended they have to put Peter in sequel I just worry that they do not mess up in Spider Man 2 if they would try to put both character in...

[KingOfFriedChicken]

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peter parker of course. morales is just an american woke thing, they have to add minority in everything to not feel racist

He isnt a brand new character miles morales was introduced back in 2011, and there has bin plenty of random weird spidermans in the spider verse, Miles is just one of the few who has the same powers but isnt and alternate universe peter parker and they both exist in the same world, he gets his powers often after peter parker dies though and even " Stan Lee, approving the creation" so it was green lit by a creator of the original anyway lol

Yet no one complains about the introduction of peter porker odd that, why is it wrong to change spiderman into a minority or for some a female but not an anthropomorphic pig? haha get over it, its a non existent character that can be anything or anyone with spider powers.