Who is cooler Miles or Peter.? ^^

[EisenDragonSlayer]

For me is Gwen my favorite xD

[windraver]

I want spider-gwen or silk in a game. That'd be awesome.

[Walker]

i think they both have their qualities and love them both. the spider-verse is well written and amazing

[Xan84]

To me Spiderman will always be Peter. I really hate it when to make a new character, they take an old one and just race or sex change it.
With all the insects in the world, why could they not make a new bug out of Miles? And its not even that I don't like Miles, I mean, he was great in the first Spiderman game and had a great arc. Just make him something else ffs...

[anarchy]

Peter by an exceedingly long shot.

Miles is a very large marker of the 'modern' Spider Man era where the complex character and 'with great power comes great responsibility' was replaced with "any dipstick can be Spider Man, all it takes is a spider bite."

[GRIMM]

StoriesBonesTell původně napsal:

Dont now why they had to black wash a character instead of just writing a new one

Um, they did write a new character? His name is Miles Morales.

Just an FYI, Spider-Man is just an alias, and not a character. Peter Parker is the character. Just the same as Mac Gargan, Otto Octavius and others who have actually been called "Spider-Man" at one point or another.

The same could be said for quite a few other superheroes.

Ant-Man, Thor, Captain America, Wolverine, Hawkeye, Captain Marvel, Captain Britain, Superman, Batman, Green Lantern, War Machine, Goliath, and countless others... All of these superhero names have been used by multiple people. Some of them at the same time.

[bloodymonarch]

GRIMM původně napsal:

StoriesBonesTell původně napsal:

Dont now why they had to black wash a character instead of just writing a new one

Um, they did write a new character? His name is Miles Morales.

Just an FYI, Spider-Man is just an alias, and not a character. Peter Parker is the character. Just the same as Mac Gargan, Otto Octavius and others who have actually been called "Spider-Man" at one point or another.

The same could be said for quite a few other superheroes.

Ant-Man, Thor, Captain America, Wolverine, Hawkeye, Captain Marvel, Captain Britain, Superman, Batman, Green Lantern, War Machine, Goliath, and countless others... All of these superhero names have been used by multiple people. Some of them at the same time.

So you'd be perfectly fine if ten other guys just showed up to your house claiming to be you, tried to shag your wife/husband/whatever, eat your food and spend your money?

No you wouldn't. Because despite there being who knows how many GRIMM there are on the internet, somewhere there is the original. If it mattered enough, people could look and find them.

So really it just comes to this: Do you care if multiple people claim the same title in a fictional universe or not?

It's a complicated question, actually. Because in reality it means less of the original gets made. So to fit our analogy, you'd get locked in your own basement and only let out from time to time.

[0k]

bloodymonarch původně napsal:

Because in reality it means less of the original gets made.

What are you talking about? Saying something like this makes it sound like you don't even follow comic book media at all.

Not only has MIles not led to less of Peter Parker as Spider-Man, it's arguably led to more opportunities for Peter Parker to show up than he would have without Miles, because he shows up in Miles-centric media that wouldn't exist otherwise.

You know, like that movie Miles starred in while featuring multiple versions of Peter Parker as Spider-Man. Even the game you're complaining about is a spin-off of a Peter Parker as Spider-Man based video game franchise.

And it's not like they made less Spider-Man media in the mean time. The last Spider-Man movie was just last year and literally featured all three versions of cinematic Peter Parker as Spider-Man.

Even the original Miles Morales setting involved having Peter Parker as Spider-Man. Miles isn't taking anything away from the original Spider-Man, and he's not even the first spin-off character to share the name. You could hardly be more wrong about what the character is doing to the original.

[Kai]

0k původně napsal:

Kai původně napsal:

lol, you just outed yourselves as bonafide racists. Congratulations. Anyone who likes miles over Spiderman is 100% a racist, excluding kids, uninformed casuals, people who dont follow marvel comics etc.

I can only imagine what logic you used to jump to that conclusion. You think it's racist to like Miles more than Spider-Man? How do you even figure?

The only reason for someone to like a tokenized ripoff version of a character over the original is the tokenized factor itself, and in this case race, which makes one a racist, pretty simple. You can promote and push the hell out of the ripoff, which they did, push down and defile the original to let the ripoff shine, which they also did, doesnt change that fact. The adjective superhero is the only reason for it to exist like 100 others nowadays.

[Kai]

0k původně napsal:

bloodymonarch původně napsal:

Because in reality it means less of the original gets made.

What are you talking about? Saying something like this makes it sound like you don't even follow comic book media at all.

Not only has MIles not led to less of Peter Parker as Spider-Man, it's arguably led to more opportunities for Peter Parker to show up than he would have without Miles, because he shows up in Miles-centric media that wouldn't exist otherwise.

You know, like that movie Miles starred in while featuring multiple versions of Peter Parker as Spider-Man. Even the game you're complaining about is a spin-off of a Peter Parker as Spider-Man based video game franchise.

And it's not like they made less Spider-Man media in the mean time. The last Spider-Man movie was just last year and literally featured all three versions of cinematic Peter Parker as Spider-Man.

Even the original Miles Morales setting involved having Peter Parker as Spider-Man. Miles isn't taking anything away from the original Spider-Man, and he's not even the first spin-off character to share the name. You could hardly be more wrong about what the character is doing to the original.

Miles has led to more opportunities for Peter? lol . The entire reason for Secret Wars was to get Miles in 616, because alt verse characters dont have enough weight, so they made him jump. and soon after They gave Peter the crap artists, crap writers, crap storylines, barely made any appearance in global and crossin events, meanwhile miles starred in every major marvel events with top tier artists and promos.

"that movie Miles starred in while featuring multiple versions of Peter Parker as Spider-Man" lol That crap movie had nothing to do with the comic, SpiderVerse was all about Peter, Octavious and Morlun. Again, they threw Peter into the sideline, made a miles movie and slapped the main even Title to push him.

That MCU's crap stark junior isnt Spiderman by long shot, its pretty much a miles character in Ultimate verse with Peter's face and name. The only reason they brought back Tobey and Andrew for that garbage movie was to bait nostalgic idiots like me, even when i knew its gonna be crap, still fell for it for just to see Tobey as Peter again. Theyre only setting up to bring miles in mcu as well, why theyve reduced Peter to a sidekick in the entire mcu, than its own man.

They have literally stolen everything from Peter in the last 7 years, along with several other tokenized versions ever since those degenerates disney took marvel, same with star wars.

[0k]

Good thing he's not just a tokenized ripoff version of the character.

We could argue about it, but the fact of the matter is you either don't know what you're talking about, or you're deliberately trolling. So stay salty about it. It's not going to change the character or why others see something in him you apparently can't.

You're in the company of Bill O'Reily, who bitterly reported on the emergence of a "black Spider-Man" back when they'd created the character for the Ultimate universe. Bill complained about how they were ruining Spider-Man too. Not that he followed the comics or anything or really even cared beyond the thought that a black character was somehow taking a white character's job. Miles wasn't then, and he isn't now.

The two characters literally exist alongside each other in this game series. What are you possibly mad about that hasn't been done countless times before? Why is it only when a minority character does it that the concern trolls start emerging?

Again, they threw Peter into the sideline, made a miles movies and slapped the main even Title to push him.

It was a Miles Morales movie, of course he was the main character.

And he's Spider-Man, so of course that's the name of the movie.

Theyre only setting up to bring miles in mcu as well, why theyve reduced Peter to a sidekick in the entire mcu, than its own man.

Reduced in what way? A sidekick to who, even? Stark is dead. He's gotten three films of his own. There are charter member Avengers with less of a movie presence, and none of them were wrapped up in the rights issues that prevented them from doing more like they did with Spider-Man.

Maybe if you weren't so convinced a black character with ties to Spider-Man must be a token you'd be a whole lot less bitter about all of this.

[Kai]

You can stay delusional all you want, the only people youre gonna fool are preschoolers and people who arent into comicbooks, but he will always be a (insert race/gender)(insert superhero) character. Any moron can make up a variation of Peter with similar powers and call it Spiderman, make up some crap lore to back it up, but it wont change that fact that its still not original, but a crap tokenized bootleg version that only served as an alt verse variation in cross dimensional events pushed just for socio-political agendas. and the people who do push for it and follow it are pretty much racists and do not care for Spiderman as a character, their only alignment is to that token.

[0k]

You're not fooling anyone with why you care so much about this version of Spider-Man but not the countless others. Like I said, stay salty about it, it's not going to make him any less popular.

[Kai]

0k původně napsal:

You're not fooling anyone with why you care so much about this version of Spider-Man but not the countless others. Like I said, stay salty about it, it's not going to make him any less popular.

The countless others arent getting pushed over Peter to steal his spot in every form of media and ruining Peter along the way. All of what ive said are facts. The only opinion is my dislike towards tokenized characters, and specially No one who likes a superhero character likes it getting s* on by a ripoff. Theres also a Spiderman version in my race and culture, no one gives a s* about it here, i would be a racist if i like it as much as or before Peter just because its my race, its pretty simple fact, it works both ways.

[0k]

Kai původně napsal:

The countless others arent getting pushed over Peter to steal his spot in every form of media and ruining Peter along the way. All of what ive said are facts.

They've outright replaced Peter Parker in the comics at times, with his clone, or literally Doc Ock occupying his mind. Miles has existed alongside a Peter Parker as Spider-Man character since his introduction. Again, you're not fooling anyone with your concern.

And it's not anymore right when you say Peter Parker's being replaced than the other guy saying it. You're literally whining about this in a forum for a game IP where Peter Parker is the main character. This is a spin-off game. A Peter Parker led sequel is actively being developed.

A forth Spider-Man MCU film is already in the works, the supposed start of a new trilogy. There's no sign of Holland being replaced anytime soon, and why would they? He's a massively popular draw as is.

You'd be a lot happier if you divested yourself of this alt-right culture war nonsense. Miles isn't ruining Spider-Man, and you haven't lost anything by having Miles exist.

[Kai]

0k původně napsal:

Kai původně napsal:

The countless others arent getting pushed over Peter to steal his spot in every form of media and ruining Peter along the way. All of what ive said are facts.

They've outright replaced Peter Parker in the comics at times, with his clone, or literally Doc Ock occupying his mind. Miles has existed alongside a Peter Parker as Spider-Man character since his introduction. Again, you're not fooling anyone with your concern.

And it's not anymore right when you say Peter Parker's being replaced than the other guy saying it. You're literally whining about this in a forum for a game IP where Peter Parker is the main character. This is a spin-off game. A Peter Parker led sequel is actively being developed.

A forth Spider-Man MCU film is already in the works, the supposed start of a new trilogy. There's no sign of Holland being replaced anytime soon, and why would they? He's a massively popular draw as is.

You'd be a lot happier if you divested yourself of this alt-right culture war nonsense. Miles isn't ruining Spider-Man, and you haven't lost anything by having Miles exist.

lol, i simply found the toppic funny and stated facts, you keep whining and arguing with fallacy, so i was just correcting you. But i think im done now, shouldve known only narcissistic ideologist who only care for their ideologies which theyre a slave to will always support these tokenized versions over originals, because they never really cared for the original characters in the first place. "alt right" lol, your country is so divided in politics, so brainwashed that you only see two sides, its so obvious for the rest of the world, bit sad and a lot funny.

And a final fact, "those other characters" they were limited runs in the story per arc at max, no one ever tried to take the title from Peter as the meta, there was never a movie or a game or a mainstream comic line for Spider-Man 2099 or Noir or the other most popular alt verse Spidermen over Peter, its only one version thats getting shoved in people faces.

But good for you guys, disney has already ruined marvel so there a lot of garbage in the line. enjoy