引用自 Delta P：

By paywalling a feature of your application that you specifically note can't be found anywhere else, you are actively taking a feature away from those who dont shell out. This is plain scummy. I bought your application to be able to use my DualSense controller. If you rely on 3rd party developers, then paywall a core feature, that's bad business.

Literally no (core) feature that you already have and will continue to have amongst many new others is paywalled, that is made up nonsense. Also it is not my job to provide anybody else with a free DualSense emulator, are you mad? I am the only one who decides what my personal free time is spent on and if I decide to sell/sub-license it. And you wonder why I use the word entitled... Should have used "delusional" instead.

引用自 Delta P：

How do we even know that the money will go to Nefarius in the first place?

You do have realised that I am the same guy? And if Pali would lie about this fact I would have called him out like in the very first seconds this was posted? Bloody hell...

What is this DLC about? Just making things work wirelessly?

If you guys don't want this DLC, sure it can be removed, but so will the capability of DualSense Emulation, as i don't control who has access to use those tools, as i didn't make them to begin with. The app is simply the bridge to use those tools.

引用自 Paliverse：

If you guys don't want this DLC, sure it can be removed, but so will the capability of DualSense Emulation, as i don't control who has access to use those tools, as i didn't make them to begin with. The app is simply the bridge to use those tools.

There will always be someone to complain... this is a game where the only winning move is not to play. You guys should go ahead and release the optional upgrade. DualSense emulation is a niche feature anyway, people who want to keep their existing controllers detected as a DS can buy it if they want the feature, or they can buy a real DS/DS Edge.

引用自 Delta P：

And please for the love of god, stop promoting FREE UPGRADEs or FREE UPDATEs like you plan on making others pay for something they are entitled to after purchase. This whole trend of calling basic development a FREE UPDATE is just a way to ease people into paying for updates that shouldn't cost anything. That's like saying "Hey, look how generous we are! We're giving you FREE WHEELS with your car! Cool, right?"

The only reason i type those in caps is because people assume that v3 requires a DLC as a whole, vs just the DualSense Emulation Part, so i had to repeat it a couple times so it's understood.

To counter the whiners, getting working, regularly updated DualShock/DualSense driver software on my PC (and maybe Mac one day, hint hint) is something that has been a recurring headache for Y.E.A.R.S. Avoiding people repackaging it with viruses, dealing with unresponsive developers who lose interest and leave things massively broken after updates, dealing with developers who decide to charge and then lose interest... or worse yet having entrants like Astro with competing hardware (C40 TR) who take $200 from you and then abandon their product a year later, refuse to update firmware to fix an outstanding issue that bricks their own wireless module after a battery drain, and won't even repair said units.

I've had DSX for like a month and I've already more than gotten my $5 worth. Especially since support for the DualSense Edge was added so quickly.

As others have said, this software is what Sony should have provided alongside the DualSense Edge. Instead they released a pro controller with explicit intent to have multiplatform support and then half-assed it. For someone to go out of their way to fix all that without Sony's help is well worth $5 to me. Shoot, optimize and polish the UI some and I'd throw $25 at it.

People who just want free free free... remember, if you're not paying for the product, you are the product. Whoever is giving something to you for free is usually getting something out of the exchange. TANSTAAFL.

DSX has been a must have, ever since I got my Dualsense controller. Either with adaptive trigger mods via UDP or custom profiles, as it is, it was well worth the $. Looking forward to trying out v3 and the wireless dualsense emulation!

引用自 pastuh：

Somehow I read a huge text where it was mentioned: v3 will be free for existing users.
Why did that line disappear?

IT HAS NOT

For starters, v3 will be a FREE UPGRADE to everyone once BETA is complete, this includes everything from v2 and new features implemented in v3.

LMAO there's a DLC for my controller now
Support this one and we can see more DLCs being offered in the future
So think carefully where you spend your money

Nice, but I just wish it was free. The price of DSX has gone up a lot from initial release.

引用自 King Crimson：

LMAO there's a DLC for my controller now
Support this one and we can see more DLCs being offered in the future
So think carefully where you spend your money

Mate, from what I understand, this is intended for people who have an Xbox or DualShock 4 controller and want it to be detected as a DualSense, if you already have a DualSense, this DLC is not needed or will do anything for you

You have then the option of, continue to use your perfectly working controller and enjoy basic DS functionality, or you purchase a real DS instead... it's a completely niche feature, really.

I'll be purchasing it to support Pali and Nefarius as I think they do excellent work and are helpful to everyone, but I personally don't need it - I have real DualSense controllers, and I'm going to be buying a DS Edge really soon.

This thread has officially convinced me that not a single soul complaining about this has any idea how insanely difficult is all the extensive reverse engineering ♥♥♥♥ Nefarious does since FOREVER (not to mention just how many of his libs end up being THE backbone of a LOT of stuff everyone just loves to use even though they did no work besides downloading a nicely packaged release from github).

引用自 Delta P：

While I greatly appreciate the updates and continued support, I can't get behind paywalling a core feature that has already been free. By paywalling a driver (lol what), you've effectively created a paid update. This is a terrible approach.

Why a DLC?
Nefarius the developer of ViGEm Bus Driver, has spent over a year and countless hours in figuring out how to make a virtual DualSense possible.

Pricing for this DLC:
Will be reasonably priced for a feature that isn't available anywhere else.

• The DLC takes **nothing** away from existing features.

By paywalling a feature of your application that you specifically note can't be found anywhere else, you are actively taking a feature away from those who dont shell out. This is plain scummy. I bought your application to be able to use my DualSense controller. If you rely on 3rd party developers, then paywall a core feature, that's bad business.
How do we even know that the money will go to Nefarius in the first place?

And please for the love of god, stop promoting FREE UPGRADEs or FREE UPDATEs like you plan on making others pay for something they are entitled to after purchase. This whole trend of calling basic development a FREE UPDATE is just a way to ease people into paying for updates that shouldn't cost anything. That's like saying "Hey, look how generous we are! We're giving you FREE WHEELS with your car! Cool, right?"

On that note, you've even created a paid update, yet use caps lock to distract away from the fact that that is exactly what it is.

I really hope you reconsider how shady this is.

After all that, you refuse to give a projected price. That's another huge red flag. What's your definition of "reasonably priced"? For all we know, that could mean two bucks or fifty.

I already paid for your application. Don't make me pay again. The issue of "licensing" and requiring your customers to pay for an update is an issue to solve on your end. Don't pass the buck to those of us who have already supported you.

Edit: it seems Nefarius is going on a tirade calling people entitled to justify this objectively bad move. If you make something available for free from the start out of good will, you can't really ♥♥♥♥ on people for being upset that you're now paywalling it. That's like Bethesda trying to paywall mods.

I don't think you understand what is gonna be behind this DLC. One is perfectly entitled to develop an open source software for a long time and then make a new paid version. This is not an objectively bad move. Pali doesn't seem to have the necessary know-how (and neither do I, for that matter! and I'm also a developer) to actually reverse engineer everything that needs to be reverse engineered to make a driver that pretends to be a DualSense (which is something that DSX does NOT do currently, NEVER did before and NEVER promised to do in the future as a free upgrade at any point in time AFAIK).

Bethesda paywalling mods is nothing like this, this is like a mod that has so much original content it feels like a separate game, then the creator of the mod deciding to make a new version of it as paid software (Stanley Parable comes to mind) and people being a child because they wanted to play the shiny new version of The Stanley Parable for free because the original indie HL mod was free.

Well, Davey Wreden has the right to charge for all his work on the standalone Stanley Parable and so has Nefarious for all his work on the DualSense emulation. Pali is simply having to choose between using the old version of ViGEm forever knowing it lacks the features needed for DS emulation or using the new version with a DLC option to cover the licensing fee.

In case anyone is misunderstanding this point, the update mentioned is NOT about DSX supporting a DualSense wirelessly as it does today. That will keep working as it does currently, which is by reading your DualSense's inputs and translating them into a virtual DS4 controller or a virtual X360 controller, according to your preference (which is about the same thing Steam Input does for any game except those that have specific SI support, which are very few and far between).

The feature mentioned in this post is about reading the inputs of WHATEVER controller you have and translating them into a virtual DualSense controller. Among other things, this can be used to read inputs from an actual DualSense and "translate" them into a virtual DualSense, which is a kinda roundabout way of supporting wireless DualSense in games that only have wired DualSense support. It would also allow playing games that have DualSense support with DS prompts no matter which controller you're using, for example, among other things.

Also, the free upgrade when DSX is out of beta refers to the fact that the licensing agreement between Pali and Nefarious, whatever it is, seem to allow for the use of the new version of ViGEm EVEN without the DLC, as long as the virtual DualSense feature, specifically, is not used.

引用自 King Crimson：

LMAO there's a DLC for my controller now
Support this one and we can see more DLCs being offered in the future
So think carefully where you spend your money

Nothing you just wrote is rooted in reality, at least not the one we share, so please read and digest the information again and carefully before jumping to wrong conclusions, thanks.

引用自 Doodad：

Also, the free upgrade when DSX is out of beta refers to the fact that the licensing agreement between Pali and Nefarious, whatever it is, seem to allow for the use of the new version of ViGEm EVEN without the DLC, as long as the virtual DualSense feature, specifically, is not used.

That is 100% correct (besides the misspelling of my name ;P)