To be fair for the people who don't use Discord for the news on the game.

[Grandon]

This is mainly a message for the devs and mods as I've seen a few messages from one mod in particular on the Discord for this game.

I've seen the people who joined the Discord to be a part of the community be called "entitled" by the moderators for wanting communication on both sides.

Here is the truth, the "entitled" here are the same ones who gave their hard earned money and trust to a group that has had 2 abandoned projects already. They have 2 separate groups and should accommodate both sides equally.

This is an early access title, this is a game will live and die by the players and word of mouth based on the community and responsiveness of the devs that have already proved they are fine with dropping things mid process.

All people want is clear and open communication. If that is entitlement I feel bad for any IRL relationship you may have.

The players decide your future, don't neglect them.

[RandyBobandy]

I really do not get it why they do not just copy/paste some stuff here as well...

[Yria]

should be mr.mispers job here

now waiting for Ruffio to chime in

[Yria]

by the way in Last Oasis forum they post patchnotes

[tamu1997]

There is nothing for them to post here right now. Everything happening is on preview branch only and is in flux and subject to change before it is released to public branch, at which point it will be posted. Access to preview branch is posted by them only on discord so they can get better and give faster response. Anyone not on discord that got the info on joining preview did not get the info from the devs.

Note I actually hate discord and only use it for this game and a dnd group. But I understand the devs have chosen it as their main communication. If I bought a kitchen aid mixer from Walmart and had a question about one of the attachments, I wouldn't go to Walmart expecting support even though I bought it there. I'd go where the manufacturer says to go for questions/support.

[Yria]

there is no excuse for letting forum members post patchnotes
Walmart example doesnt fit at all

[Tanyon]

The bottom line is THEY get to choose where THEY post their information. It does not matter if YOU agree or not. They are still providing the information they are required to.

That's it. This has been an argument for literally the entire development of the game ad they if anything have gone MORE towards discord.

So YOU have 3 options:

1) Join discord.
2) Sit here and hope we post things from there from time to time
3) Just wait for the content updates and know nothing between the BETA and when the releases come.

tamus Walmart example was perfect.. sorry you don't like it Yria, I spent more than my fair share in retail and selling things and yes we sent a lot of people to talk to the manufacturer instead of dealing with them ourselves just because we sold the product did not mean we had to always assist the consumer.

[Ruffio]

Originally posted by Yria:

there is no excuse for letting forum members post patchnotes
Walmart example doesnt fit at all

They post patch notes for updates to the main branch when there is one. Just check the steam update news, in case you missed it. If you want to partake in the BETA that is on their discord, as they stated over and over. Why are you playing the beta dude? You don't want to get involved in what it entails?

Tbh, they should just make people have to sign up and register for the beta. to be able to access it. Then there would be no reason for this crying.

[franzmauser]

Originally posted by Ruffio:

Originally posted by Yria:

there is no excuse for letting forum members post patchnotes
Walmart example doesnt fit at all

They post patch notes for updates to the main branch when there is one. Just check the steam update news, in case you missed it. If you want to partake in the BETA that is on their discord, as they stated over and over. Why are you playing the beta dude? You don't want to get involved in what it entails?

Tbh, they should just make people have to sign up and register for the beta. to be able to access it. Then there would be no reason for this crying.

They sell this game on discord? Or on Steam?. Really Steam should take some moves about this behavior of developers. No communication on Steam from developers then higher cut of revenue to steam. This should teach them to respect all their customers.

[Tanyon]

Originally posted by franzmauser:

Originally posted by Ruffio:

They post patch notes for updates to the main branch when there is one. Just check the steam update news, in case you missed it. If you want to partake in the BETA that is on their discord, as they stated over and over. Why are you playing the beta dude? You don't want to get involved in what it entails?

Tbh, they should just make people have to sign up and register for the beta. to be able to access it. Then there would be no reason for this crying.

They sell this game on discord? Or on Steam?. Really Steam should take some moves about this behavior of developers. No communication on Steam from developers then higher cut of revenue to steam. This should teach them to respect all their customers.

This is DIRECTLY from the STEAM EA page for this game:

"How are you planning on involving the Community in your development process?

“Community involvement is extremely important for us and is the main reason we're launching Bellwright into Early Access. Our developers are actively participating in Discord discussions about the game and we will be gathering your feedback throughout the entire development process.”

That is ALL they are required to do BY STEAM is let YOU know how they plan on communicating and they did that. So now what?? Steam should crack down on devs who are dong as asked? LOL

"respect all their customers" haha you all are wild man.

[Dragon]

When I'm browsing for a game to buy, I could not care less about what the latest social media trend is, or how strangely defensive some people can get over their favourite fad. If you want to sell a product to me (especially an unfinished one), then you have to pitch it. Give me a reason to choose your product over others. If you can't even be bothered to tell me more about your product at the point of sale, then you greatly diminish your chances. If you tell me to go look for information at some exclusive place without any other means whatsoever to obtain said information, then I may not even bother and just continue browsing, I'm just here to buy a game and there's a lot of other games to choose from.

Or maybe I'm just too much of a dinosaur to grasp this whole Discord trend going on these days. Still, gating information about your product and its development progress just to try and earn some meagre commissions on Discord sounds like an utterly terrible business plan to me, even in a market as commercially gullible as the gaming industry.

Seriously, expecting your customers to run after you wherever you choose to go is totally bonkers and no amount of blind fanboyism or dubious financial motives will change that, more successful companies run entire sales and marketing departments to do the exact opposite.

If this is the way the devs want to do things, then they should not expect any sympathy for past (or future) failed projects. Their choice, their mistake, their problem. Dread the day when humanity redevelops critical thinking skills and higher expectations.

[Falaris]

Um... there's plenty of posts from the Bellwright devs on steam? They're in the announcements page, not general discussions, but that's kind of where they're supposed to be anyway. I guess there could be more, but there appears to be patch notes for every patch and a couple of blogs; that seems sufficient.

[Ruffio]

Originally posted by Falaris:

Um... there's plenty of posts from the Bellwright devs on steam? They're in the announcements page, not general discussions, but that's kind of where they're supposed to be anyway. I guess there could be more, but there appears to be patch notes for every patch and a couple of blogs; that seems sufficient.

Well, you have these people who playing the beta branch, and then get upset the devs not posting patch notes for the beta branch on steam, meanwhile the devs made clear that all about the beta is on their discord, along with directions and password to be able to join the beta. The same people obtained the beta password by others share it on the forum here, not by doing it the intended way. Imho, it's all about want to be part of something without actually be part of it.

[Furyion]

if one limits themselves then growth is stunted..Simple.

[Falaris]

Originally posted by Ruffio:

Originally posted by Falaris:

Um... there's plenty of posts from the Bellwright devs on steam? They're in the announcements page, not general discussions, but that's kind of where they're supposed to be anyway. I guess there could be more, but there appears to be patch notes for every patch and a couple of blogs; that seems sufficient.

Well, you have these people who playing the beta branch, and then get upset the devs not posting patch notes for the beta branch on steam, meanwhile the devs made clear that all about the beta is on their discord, along with directions and password to be able to join the beta. The same people obtained the beta password by others share it on the forum here, not by doing it the intended way. Imho, it's all about want to be part of something without actually be part of it.

Riiiiight, okay. Now this is more clear. So, just ignore the thread and these guys seems the reasonable course of action.

[Yria]

its bad habit from the devs forcing people to go to discord
nice game otherwise