This game is made by Donkey Crew

[The Key of Diary]

As a person interested in this game, I just want to ask, how long before they abandon this title for the next?

[Aurjay]

What purpose does a posting like this serves other than to incite arguments from others? Even with the "as a person interested in this game" included it is clear you are only interested in trying to anger people and start an argument with those who do enjoy the game.

So instead I will propose a question to you, because I am actually curious. What do you get out of behaving like this?

[Sabomoth]

And you couldn't have trolled in any of the other threads about the same topic instead?

[The Key of Diary]

Originally posted by Aurjay:

What purpose does a posting like this serves other than to incite arguments from others? Even with the "as a person interested in this game" included it is clear you are only interested in trying to anger people and start an argument with those who do enjoy the game.

So instead I will propose a question to you, because I am actually curious. What do you get out of behaving like this?

Originally posted by Sabomoth:

And you couldn't have trolled in any of the other threads about the same topic instead?

No, I am not trolling.
I'm speaking facts, their past 2 games were abandoned and never came out of early access.

As a person who has bought their last 2 games, and having them abandoned, I am genuinely interested in and if not a little concerned for what will be with this title. Seeing as I would like to buy it.

Have the devs changed? Are they more active and more engaging with their player base? Is this a project that they will stick to? Are there regular updates or does it feel like a cash grab?

[Misper]

We're active and we're updating the game all the time.

[The Key of Diary]

Originally posted by Misper:

We're active and we're updating the game all the time.

Thank you for the response,
Do you have a roadmap I can look at to see what your plans are for future updates?

[Red]

Bellwright is far from any kind of scam. In spite of its flaws I feel it was made by people who actually play and enjoy it, "by gamers for gamers" kind of thing.

If you look into the problems their previous projects ran into (they weren't simply abandoned) you will realize those factors are no longer at play. It seems they are learning from their mistakes and adapting in a way which benefits everyone - the company and the consumers - and that is more than a lot of developers can say.

Also they can't do road maps because they are against early access rules.

[The Key of Diary]

Originally posted by RaymanGosling:

Bellwright is far from any kind of scam. In spite of its flaws I feel it was made by people who actually play and enjoy it, "by gamers for gamers" kind of thing.

If you look into the problems their previous projects ran into (they weren't simply abandoned) you will realize those factors are no longer at play. It seems they are learning from their mistakes and adapting in a way which benefits everyone - the company and the consumers - and that is more than a lot of developers can say.

Also they can't do road maps because they are against early access rules.

Yeah, having a roadmap is not against steam rules as you say. In fact one of the key requirements for allowing early access, is for them to be transparent. So having a roadmap is actually in their best interest.

[Misper]

Originally posted by DuffDiver:

Originally posted by RaymanGosling:

Bellwright is far from any kind of scam. In spite of its flaws I feel it was made by people who actually play and enjoy it, "by gamers for gamers" kind of thing.

If you look into the problems their previous projects ran into (they weren't simply abandoned) you will realize those factors are no longer at play. It seems they are learning from their mistakes and adapting in a way which benefits everyone - the company and the consumers - and that is more than a lot of developers can say.

Also they can't do road maps because they are against early access rules.

Yeah, having a roadmap is not against steam rules as you say. In fact one of the key requirements for allowing early access, is for them to be transparent. So having a roadmap is actually in their best interest.

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/store/earlyaccess
2. Do not make specific promises about future events. For example, there is no way you can know exactly when the game will be finished, that the game will be finished, or that planned future additions will definitely happen. Do not ask your customers to bet on the future of your game. Customers should be buying your game based on its current state, not on promises of a future that may or may not be realized.

[Dragon]

Originally posted by Misper:

Originally posted by DuffDiver:

Yeah, having a roadmap is not against steam rules as you say. In fact one of the key requirements for allowing early access, is for them to be transparent. So having a roadmap is actually in their best interest.

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/store/earlyaccess
2. Do not make specific promises about future events. For example, there is no way you can know exactly when the game will be finished, that the game will be finished, or that planned future additions will definitely happen. Do not ask your customers to bet on the future of your game. Customers should be buying your game based on its current state, not on promises of a future that may or may not be realized.

A roadmap is not a "specific promise", it is a roadmap, i.e planned but not guaranteed.

Many devs post "living roadmaps", planned features they would like to add but subject to change, depending on how development goes.

Even a simple "we are currently working on X and Y features" or "we would like to add A and B, we will look into it in future" will go a long way.

It's an Early Access game, knowing what the devs are working on or where they're heading is important. The game doesn't even have the usual "Bug Reports" and "Feature Requests" subforums...

[The Key of Diary]

Originally posted by Misper:

Originally posted by DuffDiver:

Yeah, having a roadmap is not against steam rules as you say. In fact one of the key requirements for allowing early access, is for them to be transparent. So having a roadmap is actually in their best interest.

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/store/earlyaccess
2. Do not make specific promises about future events. For example, there is no way you can know exactly when the game will be finished, that the game will be finished, or that planned future additions will definitely happen. Do not ask your customers to bet on the future of your game. Customers should be buying your game based on its current state, not on promises of a future that may or may not be realized.

I don’t think this affects the use of roadmaps. For example, Last Oasis had a roadmap, though I could be mistaken.

Steam’s guidelines focus on avoiding specific promises and managing expectations, not on banning roadmaps. A roadmap offers players a general sense of direction and planned goals. If roadmaps were not allowed, it would imply you couldn't share your plans for next week or update on bug fixes without making a promise.

The key is to make it clear that plans might change, but that doesn’t mean you can’t provide a vision for the future. Roadmaps are about transparency and keeping players informed, not about guaranteeing specific outcomes.

But regardless, I have my answer and decision on the game, and its got its red flags already. For a developer to not understand or defend the fact that there is no roadmap for transparency, tells me you don't have a clear direction for this game like your past 2 games and ill stay away this time.

Thanks for the response though.

[TARZOMBIE]

"Also they can't do road maps because they are against early access rules." BS .ARK SA is in EA and has roadmaps and they break promises all the time its devs have been doing this for ten years and with multiple games.

[Tanyon]

Originally posted by DuffDiver:

Originally posted by Misper:

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/store/earlyaccess
2. Do not make specific promises about future events. For example, there is no way you can know exactly when the game will be finished, that the game will be finished, or that planned future additions will definitely happen. Do not ask your customers to bet on the future of your game. Customers should be buying your game based on its current state, not on promises of a future that may or may not be realized.

I don’t think this affects the use of roadmaps. For example, Last Oasis had a roadmap, though I could be mistaken.

Steam’s guidelines focus on avoiding specific promises and managing expectations, not on banning roadmaps. A roadmap offers players a general sense of direction and planned goals. If roadmaps were not allowed, it would imply you couldn't share your plans for next week or update on bug fixes without making a promise.

The key is to make it clear that plans might change, but that doesn’t mean you can’t provide a vision for the future. Roadmaps are about transparency and keeping players informed, not about guaranteeing specific outcomes.

But regardless, I have my answer and decision on the game, and its got its red flags already. For a developer to not understand or defend the fact that there is no roadmap for transparency, tells me you don't have a clear direction for this game like your past 2 games and ill stay away this time.

Thanks for the response though.

Imagine missing out on an amazing game because of fear.. I play games based on individual basis. I've never once in my life looked up a dev and seen what other projects they have or have not done.. I simply read reviews of the current game, read the most current news whether that's on Steam or Discord and I make my own mind up based on that individual game. I think you simply wanted any excuse to be right and wag your superior finger around like you just proved something. How ridiculous.

[-=GUARDIAN=-]

This is a good post, Past players that are still waiting for a finished game, could and should ask this question. If anyone has an issue with this, than they havent been effected by this developers past actions. Further a road map is a promise to develop certain features that maybe part of the the game to reach 1.0. Some implementations of features may not pan out., just like when in Last Oasis, they changed the tablet system to a blue print system (which didnt work), but these concerns should be addressed, by the devs, and the road map should outline features which outlines what a 1.0 game would include.
Other wise Stay away from the dev and the Unfinished games. or Buyer be ware, buy at your own risk. know past faillers from the dev.

[crush eat kill repeat]

i would still like my money back for of kings and men
anyone who buys a donkey crew game after that and last oasis... lol

[The Key of Diary]

Originally posted by Tanyon:

Originally posted by DuffDiver:

I don’t think this affects the use of roadmaps. For example, Last Oasis had a roadmap, though I could be mistaken.

Steam’s guidelines focus on avoiding specific promises and managing expectations, not on banning roadmaps. A roadmap offers players a general sense of direction and planned goals. If roadmaps were not allowed, it would imply you couldn't share your plans for next week or update on bug fixes without making a promise.

The key is to make it clear that plans might change, but that doesn’t mean you can’t provide a vision for the future. Roadmaps are about transparency and keeping players informed, not about guaranteeing specific outcomes.

But regardless, I have my answer and decision on the game, and its got its red flags already. For a developer to not understand or defend the fact that there is no roadmap for transparency, tells me you don't have a clear direction for this game like your past 2 games and ill stay away this time.

Thanks for the response though.

Imagine missing out on an amazing game because of fear.. I play games based on individual basis. I've never once in my life looked up a dev and seen what other projects they have or have not done.. I simply read reviews of the current game, read the most current news whether that's on Steam or Discord and I make my own mind up based on that individual game. I think you simply wanted any excuse to be right and wag your superior finger around like you just proved something. How ridiculous.

thanks for your input