Furnace is stupid as ****!!!

[187g]

as mentioned in the title :)

tier 2 furnace is a straightforward troll. It uses peat which is very difficult to get and burns quickly, and can only smelt one iron ore at a time. workers keep feeding it with peat 4/4 pretty much on every chance they have. i watched it for about 10 mins. one would come and throw a peat, then after some time another one would come and throw and ore, then another one would come to collect the ore, then another one would come and throw another peat, only then someone would come to throw another ore lol! its very very very unefficient! i tried putting it on prio 1,2,3,4, and 5, and i have a worker with only one task "smelting", still not ok. needs fixing.

[Midnight]

There's no doubt the villagers aren't efficient with wood and peat, but as for saying peat is rare... I disagree. I have my main settlement and a few outposts in Drenchwood, where there are multiple sources, and I don't have trouble accumulating more than enough.

[Yria]

so lock it for your workers
do the work yourself till in better situation

[CrisGer]

Yes peat is ample if you look. there is a spot to the upper left end of that large swamp area and no bandits anywhere near they ARE by the road but if you go across that big meadow there is a small spot and LOTS of peat. I got over a hundred and no damage to the spawn.
Programing the AI is complex and they have done a remarkable job so far. So as the poster above me says lock it and to the iron work yourself, is a peaceful task :) and very useful. Remember in most games we do our own crafting so it is a luxury to have such willing helpers. :)

[187g]

i am doing it myself TBH! i believe it needs some tuning. like in working bench for example, the worker would stand on it and keep working till hungry.
there is only one spot for peat in the map and it is very far away from the starting location and is surrounded by 4 or 5 tier 2 camps. i had to walk across the map multiple times to clear the difficult bandit camps whilst defending against raids and reclamation parties. I finally set an outpost there but now it is gonna get raided and the location is super far for me to keep dragging my army to defend it. my difficulty is set to "medium frequency and difficulty", ie, it is not possible to solo the raids unless cheesing with a bow, which i don't like.
what is the point of workers keep feeding the furnace with peat to keep it 4/4 whilst not frequently adding ores or removing ingots. even with the outpost delivering 25-30 peat per day, the workers are consuming them all to produce 5 ingots at most.

[187g]

Originally posted by Midnight:

There's no doubt the villagers aren't efficient with wood and peat, but as for saying peat is rare... I disagree. I have my main settlement and a few outposts in Drenchwood, where there are multiple sources, and I don't have trouble accumulating more than enough.

it is only available in one location and surrounded by massive bandit camps. i dont find it difficult accumulating it myself, although it requires some work, but i find it so annoying that after sneaking in the area and collecting peat, my workers would consume huge amount a day to produce few ingots.

[187g]

Originally posted by CrisGer:

Yes peat is ample if you look. there is a spot to the upper left end of that large swamp area and no bandits anywhere near they ARE by the road but if you go across that big meadow there is a small spot and LOTS of peat. I got over a hundred and no damage to the spawn.
Programing the AI is complex and they have done a remarkable job so far. So as the poster above me says lock it and to the iron work yourself, is a peaceful task :) and very useful. Remember in most games we do our own crafting so it is a luxury to have such willing helpers. :)

i am a huge fan of the game by the way, i know they are doing great job, i am just suggesting they rework the furance to make it more efficient. just make it like the other production buildings, one worker can stay on it and others can deliver/take ores/ingots.

[The Hammer]

Originally posted by 187g:

Originally posted by Midnight:

There's no doubt the villagers aren't efficient with wood and peat, but as for saying peat is rare... I disagree. I have my main settlement and a few outposts in Drenchwood, where there are multiple sources, and I don't have trouble accumulating more than enough.

it is only available in one location and surrounded by massive bandit camps. i dont find it difficult accumulating it myself, although it requires some work, but i find it so annoying that after sneaking in the area and collecting peat, my workers would consume huge amount a day to produce few ingots.

Well i have 2 locations and i havent really explored that much lol

[Steinaar]

Originally posted by Yria:

so lock it for your workers
do the work yourself till in better situation

At the start of the game I am the only cook and smelter. Nobody else is allowed until I have enough pool of materials to waste. This is the way. Work during the night time hours. My character never sleeps.

Originally posted by 187g:

i am a huge fan of the game by the way, i know they are doing great job, i am just suggesting they rework the furance to make it more efficient. just make it like the other production buildings, one worker can stay on it and others can deliver/take ores/ingots.

It's also how you say things and come off. We all understand your frustration because we've been there too. We share in the sentiment of workers wasting materials.

Originally posted by Midnight:

There's no doubt the villagers aren't efficient with wood and peat, but as for saying peat is rare... I disagree. I have my main settlement and a few outposts in Drenchwood, where there are multiple sources, and I don't have trouble accumulating more than enough.

I agree. Take a few workers (fill their inv) and run to the swamp. You'll gather enough to get you by for a bit. If you don't create an outpost. Ez Pz

[DeLindsay]

I don't agree that the Furnace itself is a bad design but what DOES need to be changed is our Villagers constantly feeding fuel into ANYTHING that even has 1 item crafting until it's topped off. There needs to be a change that they ONLY feed enough fuel into the device that's required to finish the item being crafted/cooked AT THAT TIME.

[Agent707]

Peat is neither hard to get, or burns fast.

The only problem is, the dumbass workers think they need to load the furnace up with 4 pieces to cook just one ingot.

What they NEED to do is reduce the furnace and bloomery's fuel limit to just ONE PIECE of either wood or peat.

I don't even allow workers to smelt for this one very reason. 4 pieces of wood or peat to make 1 ingot... every,... time...

[Ruffio]

Originally posted by DeLindsay:

I don't agree that the Furnace itself is a bad design but what DOES need to be changed is our Villagers constantly feeding fuel into ANYTHING that even has 1 item crafting until it's topped off. There needs to be a change that they ONLY feed enough fuel into the device that's required to finish the item being crafted/cooked AT THAT TIME.

For the smelting of ore, they just need to increase the amount of ore you can deposit to decrease the fuel waste.

[Agent707]

Originally posted by Ruffio:

Originally posted by DeLindsay:

I don't agree that the Furnace itself is a bad design but what DOES need to be changed is our Villagers constantly feeding fuel into ANYTHING that even has 1 item crafting until it's topped off. There needs to be a change that they ONLY feed enough fuel into the device that's required to finish the item being crafted/cooked AT THAT TIME.

For the smelting of ore, they just need to increase the amount of ore you can deposit to decrease the fuel waste.

Given the way they work, would be difficult. The recipe it makes depends on what you deposit. If you deposited multiple ore, it wouldn't know what to make, without a bunch more coding...
I mean, it wouldn't be hard.. just more work than just limit the fuel to 1 piece.

[Ruffio]

Originally posted by Agent707:

Originally posted by Ruffio:

For the smelting of ore, they just need to increase the amount of ore you can deposit to decrease the fuel waste.

Given the way they work, would be difficult. The recipe it makes depends on what you deposit. If you deposited multiple ore, it wouldn't know what to make, without a bunch more coding.

Not for Iron... for tin, copper and bronze, solution would perhaps be to reduce the fuel volume, from 4 wood to 2...

Or change it so it more work like a food recipe...... you need to include one item of fuel to make one ignot.

[Agent707]

Originally posted by Ruffio:

Or change it so it more work like a food recipe...... you need to include one item of fuel to make one ignot.

That's what I'd like to see them do right now, just require 1 piece of fuel.

They can enhance it later, sure. But they need to at least do a quick fix. Reducing the fuel to 1 would work for now.

[Midnight]

Originally posted by 187g:

it is only available in one location and surrounded by massive bandit camps. i dont find it difficult accumulating it myself, although it requires some work, but i find it so annoying that after sneaking in the area and collecting peat, my workers would consume huge amount a day to produce few ingots.

There is more than one spot and one of them definitely isn't in the path of any patrolling bandits. Just find such a spot and build an outpost. It *can* be hard to see the peat icon on the map.