Building time T2 and no construction skill for the MC

[Darkiger]

OMG the time needed to build a T2 building, having to click all those dots ... oh my God is that long and boring !
And when I am trying to support building with my main character, I don't even have CONSTRUCTION skill !! OMG ...

Please let the main character has at least the CONSTRUCTION skill to help building efficiently. Please ...

[simon]

You are supposed to get your villagers to build.

[Wezrx]

The whole point of that is so you go do stuff while your villagers build

[Redhalo]

This and people complaining that their troops can't fast travel.. They don't want to put up with the hassle of leading a group through the wild. I run 15 with me most of the time now, and I have no problem feeding them, by hand or any other matter. Yeah it could be a lot easier, and should be, hopefully will be... But, this is the game. It get's easier after you can start splitting your population between labor and war.
Have all your workers set to prioritize construction, and use your war crew to mass harvest in between questing, and grinding bandits. If you turn a large group loose on a single piece of ore they will immediately find, and collect every piece of that ore lying on the ground in the vicinity. It's a lot faster than mining when you can find a rich area..
That or don't listen to any advice, solo the game without a crew and use the multiple cheese factors available. But, people are going to have an exercise in frustration if they expect this game to be like a lot of other games. Sure it has M&B, and Kenshi flavors, but it's unique enough in it's own right, that it takes a new approach to appreciate what they are trying to accomplish here.
Give it some time if you're getting frustrated and try slowing down in your expectations. Turn off raids, let towns revert after you liberate the professionals you need. I spent close to a week in real time early into my game, to let it run through the night to complete builds while I slept. I don't do that anymore because I'm holding 3 towns and working on my 4th now.
Bellwright has more appeal than just a new type of game similair to M&B, Kenshi, or SB2. Don't let your expectations ruin the experience.

[tacoshy]

Originally posted by Redhalo:

This and people complaining that their troops can't fast travel.. They don't want to put up with the hassle of leading a group through the wild. I run 15 with me most of the time now, and I have no problem feeding them, by hand or any other matter. Yeah it could be a lot easier, and should be, hopefully will be... But, this is the game. It get's easier after you can start splitting your population between labor and war.
Have all your workers set to prioritize construction, and use your war crew to mass harvest in between questing, and grinding bandits. If you turn a large group loose on a single piece of ore they will immediately find, and collect every piece of that ore lying on the ground in the vicinity. It's a lot faster than mining when you can find a rich area..
That or don't listen to any advice, solo the game without a crew and use the multiple cheese factors available. But, people are going to have an exercise in frustration if they expect this game to be like a lot of other games. Sure it has M&B, and Kenshi flavors, but it's unique enough in it's own right, that it takes a new approach to appreciate what they are trying to accomplish here.
Give it some time if you're getting frustrated and try slowing down in your expectations. Turn off raids, let towns revert after you liberate the professionals you need. I spent close to a week in real time early into my game, to let it run through the night to complete builds while I slept. I don't do that anymore because I'm holding 3 towns and working on my 4th now.
Bellwright has more appeal than just a new type of game similair to M&B, Kenshi, or SB2. Don't let your expectations ruin the experience.

you're ranting at the completely wrong post. Also this seems to be a common issue. So don't use the `you`standard for everything. It is a large group that is complaining about such things. It's not a minority - so at elast have the decencies tor espect that other have other preferences and likings - no need to rant at a random palce.

[Rex]

Originally posted by Redhalo:

This and people complaining that their troops can't fast travel..

I think the common theme here is that people don't want to spend hours performing tedious and menial tasks. If you did, you would probably be shampooing your carpet instead of playing Bellwright. Obviously, the goal of designing a fun and challenging game is to balance the difficulty in such a way that your time inside the game is neither too bland or too boring. Denying fast travel with companions, or imposing a low yield rate of resources in a co-operative game may or may not alienate the target audience. It's not an MMO, but there are times when I get the feeling that the developers think it is, or had wanted it to be, because the game does not respect your time.

Originally posted by Redhalo:

But, people are going to have an exercise in frustration if they expect this game to be like a lot of other games.

I think people are commenting on their frustration and their experience with THIS game without comparing it to other games. Nobody else here compared it to other games, except...

Originally posted by Redhalo:

Sure it has M&B, and Kenshi flavors, but it's unique enough in it's own right, that it takes a new approach to appreciate what they are trying to accomplish here.

Oh, that's right. It was you.

Originally posted by Redhalo:

Don't let your expectations ruin the experience.

I think their experience is ruining their experience.

[Zalzany]

Originally posted by InsidiousRex:

Originally posted by Redhalo:

This and people complaining that their troops can't fast travel..

I think the common theme here is that people don't want to spend hours performing tedious and menial tasks. If you did, you would probably be shampooing your carpet instead of playing Bellwright. Obviously, the goal of designing a fun and challenging game is to balance the difficulty in such a way that your time inside the game is neither too bland or too boring. Denying fast travel with companions, or imposing a low yield rate of resources in a co-operative game may or may not alienate the target audience. It's not an MMO, but there are times when I get the feeling that the developers think it is, or had wanted it to be, because the game does not respect your time.

Originally posted by Redhalo:

But, people are going to have an exercise in frustration if they expect this game to be like a lot of other games.

I think people are commenting on their frustration and their experience with THIS game without comparing it to other games. Nobody else here compared it to other games, except...

Originally posted by Redhalo:

Sure it has M&B, and Kenshi flavors, but it's unique enough in it's own right, that it takes a new approach to appreciate what they are trying to accomplish here.

Oh, that's right. It was you.

Originally posted by Redhalo:

Don't let your expectations ruin the experience.

I think their experience is ruining their experience.

1. We all know this is your stance.
2. not every one's idea of "balanced" is the same a ton of people don't mind it as is.
3. I said a million times there is UNLIMITED supplies of bars from trading with towns, wood is getting a forester hut one day no idea when.
4. you don't have to we all played other games and get what you are refering to sigh. YOu want it like other games, its pretty common thing to say and complain about.
5. I 100% agree its your expectations from other games ruining your experince also its EA so this is all place holder, and at 1.0 its not guaranteed to be the same as right now sigh. Want finished polish game buy the FINISHED POLISHED GAME sigh.

[Rex]

Originally posted by Zalzany:

1. We all know this is your stance.
2. not every one's idea of "balanced" is the same a ton of people don't mind it as is.
3. I said a million times there is UNLIMITED supplies of bars from trading with towns, wood is getting a forester hut one day no idea when.
4. you don't have to we all played other games and get what you are refering to sigh. YOu want it like other games, its pretty common thing to say and complain about.
5. I 100% agree its your expectations from other games ruining your experince also its EA so this is all place holder, and at 1.0 its not guaranteed to be the same as right now sigh. Want finished polish game buy the FINISHED POLISHED GAME sigh.

This is my first comment on these forums. Why are you acting like we've spoken before?

[Zalzany]

Originally posted by InsidiousRex:

Originally posted by Zalzany:

1. We all know this is your stance.
2. not every one's idea of "balanced" is the same a ton of people don't mind it as is.
3. I said a million times there is UNLIMITED supplies of bars from trading with towns, wood is getting a forester hut one day no idea when.
4. you don't have to we all played other games and get what you are refering to sigh. YOu want it like other games, its pretty common thing to say and complain about.
5. I 100% agree its your expectations from other games ruining your experince also its EA so this is all place holder, and at 1.0 its not guaranteed to be the same as right now sigh. Want finished polish game buy the FINISHED POLISHED GAME sigh.

This is my first comment on these forums. Why are you acting like we've spoken before?

Why do you assume we have spoken before is what I want to know? I never once said we did or even assumed we did. I am saying I have HEARD this so many times I already know where you are coming from is all. Sorry I know were all suppose to be unique but even you avatar icon I seen multiple times before, same with stuff you are saying sigh.

[Rex]

Originally posted by Zalzany:

1. We all know this is your stance.

Originally posted by Zalzany:

4. you don't have to we all played other games and get what you are refering to sigh. YOu want it like other games, its pretty common thing to say and complain about.

Originally posted by Zalzany:

5. I 100% agree its your expectations from other games ruining your experince...

These are three examples of ad hominem arguments you made against me as though I've argued any of these points. You should probably read what I've said again, because not a single point you've argued has any relationship with what I've said. Keep in mind, I like the game. However, there are some objective criticisms here where the game's design choices cripple the experience. Therefore, I stated:

Originally posted by InsidiousRex:

I think their experience is ruining their experience.

This is not a comparison to another game. THIS game is not perfect. Observing things that need to be improved is not holding it up to some other standard. It's rating this game objectively for what it is. Yes, it's Early Access. That's also why it's important to objectively state where it is failing to try to bring attention to what needs to be fixed. For example, FORESTRY. The devs are working on it now after seeing feedback from the playerbase. It's not an indictment of the developers that trees weren't regrowing. It's an observation. Yet here I am being lambasted for making a single comment on these forums because you FEEL like you've heard this before. Therefore, I asked:

Originally posted by InsidiousRex:

This is my first comment on these forums. Why are you acting like we've spoken before?

And you replied:

Originally posted by Zalzany:

Why do you assume we have spoken before is what I want to know?

This is actual brainrot. If you've heard these arguments before, it's probably because they're OBJECTIVE criticisms of something the game could do better. However, you have not heard or seen me comment, so don't pretend to know what it is I'm saying or how I'm going to say it. I LIKE THE GAME. I do think this is an area where it needs improvement, however.

[Redhalo]

Originally posted by tacoshy:

you're ranting at the completely wrong post. Also this seems to be a common issue. So don't use the `you`standard for everything. It is a large group that is complaining about such things. It's not a minority - so at elast have the decencies tor espect that other have other preferences and likings - no need to rant at a random palce.

Whatever, either you didn't read it or your reading comprehension sucks.. It's completely relevant to the post. No need to rant about ill perceived "ranting" either, but I'm fine if you do it..

[Rex]

Originally posted by Redhalo:

Originally posted by InsidiousRex:

REEEEEEEE!

lol

I think you know you lost your self respect when you have to fake quote someone with an overture to being mentally disabled. Can't respond to the substance of the post? Don't comment at all. There's no reason to take a discussion in this direction.

[Rex]

Originally posted by Darkiger:

Please let the main character has at least the CONSTRUCTION skill to help building efficiently. Please ...

Distractions aside, this was a really good suggestion. I hope the developers consider it. Thanks, OP.