Bread charm feels underwhelming

[When it is just right]

I mostly play the Snow tribe and I am not sure why the bread charm exists at all.
It has overlapping effect with the following charms and completely overshadowed by them

Cake charm, very powerful and can be lumin vased to further boost its usefulness
Molten Egg, somewhat useful, gives decent damage to deal with teeth or tiger charmed enemy
Frenzy Charm, can be useful in some setups to ramp up damage or defense quickly during crown phase

Consume is a powerful effect in some turn based games such as Griftlands, StS and Monster Train to thin out your deck.
However unlike Wildfrost, these games use energy system and you can usually play multiple cards per turn.
In Wildfrost, every turn counts and you can only plays one card.
Given that bread charm does not provide any additional beneficial effect, there is very little incentive for me to apply it to a powerful item card.
If I were to apply it to a starting card, why would I want to burn 1 turn to play a low impact card than redraw to find my key cards?

[When it is just right]

This makes me sad.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2991658448

[Redlegoguy1]

Bread charm is definitely super niche, but it’s not 100% useless. It can sort of act as a per battle muncher, you can put it on a card you don’t want so that you can get it out of your deck for the rest of the fight. There are also a couple of charms and effects that require a consume card, and while most of those scenarios would benefit more from one of the other consume charms, bread charm can still get the job done. Bread is pretty much never the best option but at least in a few cases it is an option.

Still pretty bad either way though.

[Argile]

Yeah, think of it like a budget muncher. Its a pseudo-deck thinner, which is good. Use it on one of your starter cards so you use it once and now get more consistent draws for the battle.

It's less good now that they let you skip taking treasures, though. Also, because of the way charms work, cards without attack symbols can't be used with cake charm.

[Redlegoguy1]

Originally posted by Argile:

It's less good now that they let you skip taking treasures, though. Also, because of the way charms work, cards without attack symbols can't be used with cake charm.

This isn’t quite right, you can use cake on non attack cards but you can’t use it on cards with no effects. I’ve put cake on fire water before for example, but you couldn’t put cake on a scrappy sword or a scrap because while they do have damage they have no effects that can be boosted. Molten egg works the way you’ve described since it has an attack boost, it can only be added to cards that count as attacks. In most cases at least one of those two can be applied to a given card, but even for ones that can’t (summon cards for example) you can pretty much always still use the frenzy charm, since there’s very few things that won’t take frenzy.

[Aluminum]

Compared to cake charm (+5 effect, + consume) or the egg charm (+5 damage, + consume) bread is definitely a rather pointless charm.

Saying that it's a deck-thinner is kind of an overstatement, because if you put it on a bad card you wouldn't want to play that bad card in the first place, not even once.

The reward to opportunity cost ratio compared to visiting a muncher is abysmal.

[Redlegoguy1]

Originally posted by Aluminum:

Compared to cake charm (+5 effect, + consume) or the egg charm (+5 damage, + consume) bread is definitely a rather pointless charm.

Saying that it's a deck-thinner is kind of an overstatement, because if you put it on a bad card you wouldn't want to play that bad card in the first place, not even once.

The reward to opportunity cost ratio compared to visiting a muncher is abysmal.

First of all, I 100% agree with your assessment but there are a few important details that are worth mentioning. While there is essentially always a better charm than bread charm that will still add consume, that doesn't necessarily mean you'll be offered that choice. Additionally, the application restrictions on cake and egg mean that depending on your deck you may not have something that can be boosted that you're comfortable adding consume on, but you almost always have cards you can get rid of. The other factor of using bread as a mini muncher is that it's not a substitute, it adds to it. You can put bread on a scrappy sword and then munch the other two. You shouldn't place priority on consuming it during a fight, but if you have it in your hand when you've got a 1 count on redraw and nothing better to play you can trash it for the rest of the battle. Then all 3 of the cards are gone.

The other part of this is that the only reason any of this is relevant is because the majority of charm selection is done randomly. You should absolutely never buy a bread charm from the charm merchant. There are just a few decent options if you're given one that can make it better than nothing, though only marginally. I wouldn't complain if it was removed, but it is not entirely without value.

[Aluminum]

You are right about those points. I guess what I have a problem with is the argument/implication that bread charm is about half as good as a muncher event. It absolutely is not:
-you need to draw the card
-you need to play the card
-it only affects 1 card
-you could have gotten a much better charm

[When it is just right]

Unless the dev is intentionally making it a low impact charm then I hope that the dev could at least consider to rework it and make it more on par with other more solid charms.
I feel robbed when I draw a bread charm in the early game.

[Luminy]

The one time i used bread charm effectively was on a tar blade build where i put bread charm and strawberry charm on a tar blade and then had it duplicated 3 times by shade sculptor as well as a shade clay in my deck, still would have been a decent deck without the bread/strawberry combo but it helped make my units tankier.

I still think bread might be better with its effects reversed though, apply it to a consume card to remove the consume effect, the one case where I found it useful isn't enough to call it good really.

[TechnoIvan]

Yeah, I think the design idea behind charms was to have better and worse charms, and not to have them semi-balanced... hence why you get stuff like weakness charm that flat-out reduces attack by 2, vs pomegranate charm that does the same, but gives the barrage effect.

Bread charm is indeed underwhelming... the only time I recall where I liked using it was on the Soulbound Skulls, since I'd usually fire those off during the crown phase and not bother gambling with their pre-rework randomness effect.

I wish the charm gave you some blings when the card is consumed, and maybe have a special interaction with the muncher if you feed it a card with bread charm on it.

[DeadOptic]

Give the bread charm the addition of adding Noomlin. Noomlin + consume would make it better at thinning a deck without wasting time. Could prove useful in more cases than it currently does.

[Carambar]

As someone already stated; making it so the Bread charm has its effect reversed would be ideal to make it an actual desirable charm.

It's currently worthless unless maybe in some extremely niche situation.