Eigong

[Gearwar]

Fantastic Boss fight once you understand/grasp it. A complete chore to learn because of how unforgiving she is and how "scripted" you have to play in order to not get murdered.

It doesn't help that you can't practice phases outside of going through the whole fight, so even if you master phase 1 and or 2 and struggle with phase 3 each attempt costs you 3-4 min just to practice the one attack she gets you with. Its quite tiresome after a while tbh.

I would also say she is too difficult overall for what the rest of the game lets on, as the difficulty spike to previous bosses is bonkers.

Its a great encounter, but to actually get to the point where you can appreciate the fight itself, is surely an excercise that not a lot of players enjoy. It would help if you could practice certain stages of the fight, as its pretty time-consuming and frustrating to have to go through the fight everytime.

Its really no wonder why the boss is such a polarizing topic here.

[SaveMyCow]

I just beat her like an hour ago after a lot of hours. Totally agree about it being fun fight once you know what you're doing, but total ♥♥♥♥♥ to learn and practice.

[Solkin]

problem is it's not worth it on this story / character driven game. it's not like eelden ring : in ER you know arriving at the last boss that after, the ending will suck *** and that the important part is the boss itself.
for a lot of player it's not the feeling they get arriving to eigong, personnaly i don't want to spend 15% more time on the game JUST for a final fight, it's just not worh it.

so after a few tries, i switched to story mode without any regrets, but it's kinda sad to arrive into such a wall only for the final fight of this game.

gg to you though

[Gearwar]

Originally posted by Solkin:

problem is it's not worth it on this story / character driven game. it's not like eelden ring : in ER you know arriving at the last boss that after, the ending will suck *** and that the important part is the boss itself.
for a lot of player it's not the feeling they get arriving to eigong, personnaly i don't want to spend 15% more time on the game JUST for a final fight, it's just not worh it.

gg to you though

Well, I get you what you mean. I had a lot more desire to finish the game for the story, than I did in ER.

As I said I do think this boss is just flatout too hard as the endboss, specially for people who want to see the ending.

Like the encounters are miles apart and I doubt a lot of people have the patience to actually beat Eigong. You really have to just sit there and endure getting abused till you figure out each of her moves and how to counter it. Its not a really fun journey.

[bulldog0890]

phase 1 feels great once you get it down. its just such a chore to make it to phase 2 to start learning what her phase 2 even is

[Gearwar]

Originally posted by bulldog0890:

phase 1 feels great once you get it down. its just such a chore to make it to phase 2 to start learning what her phase 2 even is

boy are you in for a treat

[Deepest Blue]

Originally posted by bulldog0890:

phase 1 feels great once you get it down. its just such a chore to make it to phase 2 to start learning what her phase 2 even is

Sounds absolutely miserable.

[bulldog0890]

well now i got to phase 3, and i have no idea how to even dodge her moves. and it takes so long to get back to phase 3. its just tedious, its not fun at all anymore. awful boss

[SaveMyCow]

Originally posted by bulldog0890:

well now i got to phase 3, and i have no idea how to even dodge her moves. and it takes so long to get back to phase 3. its just tedious, its not fun at all anymore. awful boss

If you still want to do it, you can. Just step away for short time, take a breather. Watch youtube guide if you want - that WTF move is mostly mindgame (block - block - then a bit of a mixup (red or white, both can be jumped), then - second wtf or watch where you falling to - there will be either talisman or sword dash waiting for you, then it continues like phase 2).
Although it's a moldy statement, but it's not about destination, but about process. Notice how you got first phase downloaded by this point and focus on that. Find satisfaction there and you'll get there. And stop thinking about fairness or why it's a bad fight, that will just unbalance you further.

[Seisachtheia]

Personally I love how hard she is (I am not good at these kinds of games, and did not find her easy at all). The reason why is because it puts the opening cutscene (where she's beaten you easily) into full perspective and also does a phenomenal job of storytelling through gameplay.

It's not just that she's difficult for the gameplay, it's for the whole narrative experience which I loved.

[Johnnymack]

She reminded me of sekiro boss one on one. It's the final phase for the boss of the true ending - its supposed to be difficult. I think being able to practice the third phase till you have it down would be more efficient but would take away the satisfaction of finally managing to learn her move set and finishing all three phases together in one go. Great boss IMO.

I had more of bone to pick with the twin fight, where randomness would cause both bosses to attack at the same time sometimes making the counters impossible to do.

[Sir_Sam_Vimes]

There is actually no RNG in how the twins combo their moves, they are all predetermined combinations and can all be countered. Tip: For the 2x keys and red slam, you parry the two keys and keep the parry held down after the second so it starts winding up the unbounded counter during the parry animation

[Purple]

Currently at this fight and honestly I don't even know how to win it, I'm already in story mode with slightly reduced damage lol. I don't want to reduce it even further, but I may genuinely have to at some point.

I think she is extra annoying because if you make a mistake, it's difficult to recover from as many attacks follow right after each other. This makes losing not just feel like a regular loss, but outright frustrating as you're furiously trying to get back at it but attack after attack follows you up

[R. J. Circus]

It's a matter of trial and error. Couple days ago, I couldn't even get to phase 3. Now I can usually get past phase 1 easy and often get to phase 3. Still have yet to beat her. But I know that I probably can.

All else fails, watch someone else on YouTube and how they manage to counter her attacks, then try to replicate those moves.

[Xx6Sniper_Wolf9xX]

I've been fighting her for about 2 hours straight now, been to phase 3 a couple of times and I just gotta step away before I lose my mind. I fully understand both phases 1 and 2, but executing everything perfectly is still very difficult and I haven't even begun learning the phase three nonsense attacks.

Some bosses in this game have been extremely hard, nothing has been nearly as hard as Eigong. It's tempting to say she's too hard, and she probably is, but at the end of the day I guess I'm not asking for a nerf or anything. It just makes me wonder what the hell they were thinking when they designed these super hard fights. Also, perfect parry should have like 1 more frame on it, because some of these whiffs are total bs. I'm saying all this as someone who learned to speedrun hollow knight, has thousands of hours across all souls games, and plays the final boss of Sekiro whenever I feel like turning my brain off and having fun with a fight - this fight is ridiculous if it's taking me hours just to learn and I guarantee the the average player won't even get to her in the first place.

[Shucks]

I get it, Phase 1 is solid, Phase 2 is frustrating and Phase 3 is a learning curveball for no reason.

Eigong difficulty is far too big of a leap. Hell I think most people would've been fine if it were just phase 1 and 2, the other ending isn't so bad.