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Amrehlu Jun 4, 2024 @ 8:52pm
The Jiequan fight Gene Eradicator?
So... does it just force you to use the Gene Eradicator even if you intentionally don't use it? Cause I didn't use it and the fight was still a joke. It was fun, but it was easy and I was kind of hoping not using the gene eradicator would make it harder somehow? Anyone know if it was just an "illusion of choice" type thing or is the fight just easy in general?
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Seisachtheia Jun 4, 2024 @ 9:06pm 
I used the gene eradicator because I was under the impression it was a story plot point (I figured he'd remain invincible like in your first encounter if you didn't). It causes him to stagger during the first phase and cough blood, grabbing his chest. So you get a bunch more openings.

Personally, I found the 4th boss to be surprisingly easy, so the next time I play the game I probably won't use the gene eradicator.
Amrehlu Jun 4, 2024 @ 10:24pm 
Oh... so I did "hard mode"... well. Like I said, it was fun but with that kind of option I was really hoping for something a bit more hardcore.

Though, I'm on Lady Ethereal now and she is the hardest fight in the game so far by a massive margin and super fun with amazing presentation and vibe. The platforming leading up to her sucked and wasn't fun, but the fight is making up for it.
Shiro Jun 4, 2024 @ 11:25pm 
It's partially a side story point, showing how Yi isn't above weakening his enemies. But sure you can beat him "fair", but why. He didn't seem that fun to fight.
Amrehlu Jun 4, 2024 @ 11:48pm 
Originally posted by Shiro:
It's partially a side story point, showing how Yi isn't above weakening his enemies. But sure you can beat him "fair", but why. He didn't seem that fun to fight.

Nah, he was a fun fight. I don't think it has anything to do with showing that Yi isn't above poisoning someone. It's pretty clear from the outset that Yi is pretty brutal/willing to do anything to someone he wants dead. There isn't much that Yi wouldn't due just based on what he did to Goumang.

If the "true" fight was much more difficult it would've been even more fun AND the reward of poisoning him would mean more for the people who actually use it. Though I don't see why someone would use it... they have a "Story" difficulty for people who are bad at the game or just want to see the story, so opting to take a cheap out is kind of pointless. Unless it just doesn't cross their mind, I'm sure plenty of people didn't even consider it was optional, like Seisachtheia mentioned.
Goblin Jun 5, 2024 @ 12:16am 
Originally posted by Amrehlu:
Originally posted by Shiro:
It's partially a side story point, showing how Yi isn't above weakening his enemies. But sure you can beat him "fair", but why. He didn't seem that fun to fight.

Nah, he was a fun fight. I don't think it has anything to do with showing that Yi isn't above poisoning someone. It's pretty clear from the outset that Yi is pretty brutal/willing to do anything to someone he wants dead. There isn't much that Yi wouldn't due just based on what he did to Goumang.

If the "true" fight was much more difficult it would've been even more fun AND the reward of poisoning him would mean more for the people who actually use it. Though I don't see why someone would use it... they have a "Story" difficulty for people who are bad at the game or just want to see the story, so opting to take a cheap out is kind of pointless. Unless it just doesn't cross their mind, I'm sure plenty of people didn't even consider it was optional, like Seisachtheia mentioned.
When doing an SL1 run in Dark Souls, I'll still take any option the game offers me to cheese anything within that limitation - there's set challenges and then there's using strategies to beat them. So since this is a completely fair option, I see no reason to not use it unless I want to do a "don't poison him" challenge. Same with the Watcher Knights in Hollow Knight.
That said, yeah it'd be nice if he was really challenging if you don't use it, and just normal level of difficulty if you do. And the achievement should've been inverted honestly.
Amrehlu Jun 5, 2024 @ 2:35pm 
Originally posted by Goblin:
When doing an SL1 run in Dark Souls, I'll still take any option the game offers me to cheese anything within that limitation - there's set challenges and then there's using strategies to beat them. So since this is a completely fair option, I see no reason to not use it unless I want to do a "don't poison him" challenge. Same with the Watcher Knights in Hollow Knight.
That said, yeah it'd be nice if he was really challenging if you don't use it, and just normal level of difficulty if you do. And the achievement should've been inverted honestly.

Truuuuue. I forgot that perspective for a like, no skills run or something. That's something that only like .3% of the playerbase will ever even attempt though so it slipped my mind.

Yeah, if you're doing a self-imposed challenge, intended challenges don't matter anymore. Plus anything the game intended likely wasn't enough of a challenge for you in the first place so any sense of being cheap is entirely nullified.

Though if you were doing a speedrun or you cared about your clear time, you would still just not take the time to pick it up so that's the other side of the challenge spectrum in regard to the Gene Eradicator. Unless it actually saved that much additional time that going in and doing the puzzle actually still saves time. Which... I guess if you're doing a speedrun/challenge run might be true from a lack of upgrades slowing the "real" fight down.

If anyone here has beaten the game yet, is there a hardmode that gets unlocked or anything?
Last edited by Amrehlu; Jun 5, 2024 @ 2:35pm
SoreyKhun Jun 5, 2024 @ 2:38pm 
honestly, only used eradicator for the steam achievement but yeah the boss felt hella underwhelming (even without the gene eradicator) for someone of the jie dynasty
Amrehlu Jun 5, 2024 @ 2:51pm 
Originally posted by SoreyKhun:
honestly, only used eradicator for the steam achievement but yeah the boss felt hella underwhelming (even without the gene eradicator) for someone of the jie dynasty

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, right. That's the third time I've read that it has an achievement tied to it and it only just sunk in. That's lame as hell that it isn't the other way around like Goblin said above.

Now I really hope there is a hardmode, so it will be worth going back for.
Seisachtheia Jun 5, 2024 @ 2:58pm 
One of the fun things about being on discussion boards is just seeing gamers of different skills levels talking about their experience. Here you are asking for a hard mode and I literally cannot beat the final boss; I may suck at these kinds of games but I love them. I get my power fantasy from watching professional speedrunners break games and going "haha yes so easy" knowing full well I could never do what they are doing.

Like watching a cooking show in a way.
SoreyKhun Jun 5, 2024 @ 2:58pm 
Originally posted by Amrehlu:
Originally posted by SoreyKhun:
honestly, only used eradicator for the steam achievement but yeah the boss felt hella underwhelming (even without the gene eradicator) for someone of the jie dynasty

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, right. That's the third time I've read that it has an achievement tied to it and it only just sunk in. That's lame as hell that it isn't the other way around like Goblin said above.

Now I really hope there is a hardmode, so it will be worth going back for.

let's just pray they'll add a new difficulty soon (or you could do a challenge run while waiting like no hit, level 1 only, no jades or things like that)
SoreyKhun Jun 5, 2024 @ 3:00pm 
Originally posted by Seisachtheia:
One of the fun things about being on discussion boards is just seeing gamers of different skills levels talking about their experience. Here you are asking for a hard mode and I literally cannot beat the final boss; I may suck at these kinds of games but I love them. I get my power fantasy from watching professional speedrunners break games and going "haha yes so easy" knowing full well I could never do what they are doing.

Like watching a cooking show in a way.

fair, eigong took me like 7 hours in all or maybe more (both ending combined)
Amrehlu Jun 5, 2024 @ 3:29pm 
Originally posted by SoreyKhun:
Originally posted by Seisachtheia:
One of the fun things about being on discussion boards is just seeing gamers of different skills levels talking about their experience. Here you are asking for a hard mode and I literally cannot beat the final boss; I may suck at these kinds of games but I love them. I get my power fantasy from watching professional speedrunners break games and going "haha yes so easy" knowing full well I could never do what they are doing.

Like watching a cooking show in a way.

fair, eigong took me like 7 hours in all or maybe more (both ending combined)

Oh, I like hearing that. I only just beat Lady Ethereal, she was the first boss I would consider challenging. Part of that is I'm a moron and get hung up on doing specific things and will die over and over because I want to do those things, not win. So once I just stopped trying to ONLY do perfect parries and unbound counters to every attack and started dodging it went down in like 3 more attempts. Took like 45-ish minutes total. Which is twice what anything else took. Her third phase really had me confused for far longer than it should have before I finally realized what I was supposed to do to avoid the ground slam. My dumbass kept trying to unbound counter it but the two clones that swiped in from the left and right kept stopping me. So I was trying ♥♥♥♥ like using the homing arrows right before they spawned to despawn them before they could attack so I could sit there and charge unbound. Turns out you just jump and dash, but nooooo I just HAD to unbound counter everything. Got one of them stupid brains.

Reading that people are spending legit amounts of time on the last boss is nice. With the caveat that I hope it took that long because it was a tough fight that was fun, rather than a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fight. Cause that happens occasionally, I'd rather spend 10 hours on a fun fight than 15 minutes on a bad fight.
Amrehlu Jun 6, 2024 @ 12:20pm 
Well, Eigong was fun. I do think the bosses leading to her should've been more difficult because the jump from EVERY other boss and mini-boss in the game to her is kinda crazy, it could've been much smoother.

Took 2 hours and 30 minutes, give or take 10, I believe. Going from dying in the first phase in less than 15 seconds and then steadily getting to the point where I could do the first 2 phases without getting hit a single time and then finally only having to heal in the final phase 3 times was perfect. No sudden, "Oops, I won this time.", just consistent growth throughout each attempt. Not much is more satisfying.

No one cares, but if it might help someone, I used Unbound Counter against about 80-90% of her attacks with the Jade on that causes internal damage from Unbound Counters alongside the Jade that lets you use Unbound Counters repeatedly as long as you keep landing them within a short (like... 1/2 second) of the previous successful Unbound. And then once she did one of like 2 or 3 specific attacks that would leave her open long enough I would use a Talisman (the Chi Burst one) to pop all of the internal damage.

Used my arrows to stop her Talisman attacks in phase 2, basically was trying to fish for the Red, White, White, Red combo cause that was the easiest move to do internal to her with.

Good luck anyone that is still going on her. The third phase is less crazy than it seems at first. You only need to block or dodge 2-3 times during the full screen slashes, it just looks and feels like it is more. Sound is your friend during that, but you can also stop her first screen slash attack by timing an arrow shot (she might just go right into another of the same attack though).
Cumbusted Jun 9, 2024 @ 8:17pm 
Does doing that change anything for the plot or is it just the staggers and additional dialogue?
Skater901 Jun 9, 2024 @ 9:24pm 
Originally posted by Cumbusted:
Does doing that change anything for the plot or is it just the staggers and additional dialogue?
Just makes the fight a bit easier, doesn't change anything for the plot, I don't think.
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Date Posted: Jun 4, 2024 @ 8:52pm
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