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Maxz85 Sep 14, 2022 @ 5:47am
Is there a reason why this game is on Unreal Engine instead of Dragon Engine?
It feels very strange for RGG Studio game to not use their own engine.
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Originally posted by Lilly:
Originally posted by JonPringus:
Originally posted by KTNatSapporo:
They say this is because Ishin has many daytime scenes, and daytime representation is an area where the Dragon engine is not very good.
Source of them saying this is the reason?
I saw this. They did give that really weird reason in this video. This reason specifically is mentioned around 56:30.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfXKCJL9flk
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♡ Sep 14, 2022 @ 6:38am 
Originally posted by Maxz85:
It feels very strange for RGG Studio game to not use their own engine.
Probably branching out + less time of development
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Rialm Sep 14, 2022 @ 8:09am 
I imagine that they did not have the tools to make sword combat? Obvious reasons: it's not up to them for the engine to work. which it's a huge deal.
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♡ Sep 14, 2022 @ 8:12am 
Originally posted by Rialm:
I imagine that they did not have the tools to make sword combat? Obvious reasons: it's not up to them for the engine to work. which it's a huge deal.
There's plenty of sword combat in Lad and Judgment so no
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Petekaboo Sep 14, 2022 @ 9:17am 
Originally posted by Rialm:
it's not up to them for the engine to work.
Uhh... What? It's their own engine, it's absolutely up to them for it to work.
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Corona Scurrae Sep 14, 2022 @ 9:25am 
is it UE5? if that's the case maybe they try to get more attention that way.
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Maxz85 Sep 14, 2022 @ 9:27am 
Originally posted by Pelopidas:
is it UE5? if that's the case maybe they try to get more attention that way.
UE4
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Rialm Sep 14, 2022 @ 1:34pm 
Originally posted by Petekaboo:
Uhh... What? It's their own engine, it's absolutely up to them for it to work.
UE4 is not their engine, so if there is a problem, just call Epic and they have to fix it.

Originally posted by Gabagoo:
There's plenty of sword combat in Lad and Judgment so no
I've not played judgment, but all the Yakuza action rpg and the weapon combat is not the best. it's just my feeling.
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♡ Sep 14, 2022 @ 2:12pm 
Originally posted by Rialm:
Originally posted by Petekaboo:
Uhh... What? It's their own engine, it's absolutely up to them for it to work.
UE4 is not their engine, so if there is a problem, just call Epic and they have to fix it.

Originally posted by Gabagoo:
There's plenty of sword combat in Lad and Judgment so no
I've not played judgment, but all the Yakuza action rpg and the weapon combat is not the best. it's just my feeling.
You are expecting too much from the sword combat here, is the same as if you were punching
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Nei Sep 14, 2022 @ 5:44pm 
Originally posted by Maxz85:
It feels very strange for RGG Studio game to not use their own engine.
maybe the unreal engine is just better than their current engine
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anthonyrod01 Sep 14, 2022 @ 6:24pm 
Some older fans did not enjoy the combat of the dragon engine as much as other games, and personally, newer releases like 6 and K2 had some issues frame issues, graphical glitches, and physics glitches
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Redblaze27 Sep 14, 2022 @ 6:58pm 
Its probably easier to port.
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JonPringus Sep 14, 2022 @ 8:03pm 
I still can't find where it's apparently not made in Dragon engine and instead made in an outdated version of Unreal???
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Jade Sep 14, 2022 @ 8:35pm 
Originally posted by JonPringus:
I still can't find where it's apparently not made in Dragon engine and instead made in an outdated version of Unreal???
https://blog.playstation.com/2022/09/13/revealing-like-a-dragon-ishin-out-february-2023/
"Like a Dragon: Ishin is the first title from RGG studio to be built on Unreal Engine 4, bringing astounding graphical quality to the Like a Dragon franchise. Developing on Unreal Engine 4 has unlocked new textures and other graphical details that make Ishin’s gripping story one of the most cinematic tales in RGG history."
can't find an official statement about it from SEGA although I think it's safe to trust Sony
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Jade Sep 14, 2022 @ 8:39pm 
If I had to guess it's probably just easier to recreate the feeling of the original 0/Ishin engine (combat wise) while still having graphical/technical upgrades, I'm not too educated on the Dragon Engine but I assume they'd have to rework a lot considering the combat seems heavily physics based.

A similar example of a company doing it for this reason is Rockstar/GSG's (not great) GTA Definitive Edition Collection. They essentially copy+pasted everything from the original games into UE4 allowing for them to make graphical changes while keeping pretty much everything else 1:1 with the originals (if we ignore the bugfest).
Last edited by Jade; Sep 14, 2022 @ 8:41pm
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JonPringus Sep 14, 2022 @ 8:43pm 
Pretty weird... I like RGG for developing their own engines, so it's kinda disappointing. But I guess their monkey ball remake was made in Unity.

It's fascinating though. It'd be interesting to see why they decided to use UE4. If they just wanted to try it out, or they made a deal with Epic. Also it's nice this isn't an EGS exclusive.

Also I forgot UE5 only came out as recently as the new Matrix film, so of course they'd be using UE4. Silly me.
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