The Manifestations - Your thoughts? (SPOILERS!)

[MuscleBroStolas]

So I have some ideas, and wanted to know what you guys think.

0. This game seems to lack a 'malevolent' presence - In fact I think the most 'evil' thing about this game, if you can even call it that, is the ritual that Beverly (The Amazing Emma Harry's character! I loved her trailer in Barrow Hill - What a charismatic DJ!) concocted to get a child, by stealing her husband's skull, and etc. But she seems 'regretful' when she talks to the player at the end of the game, even if I feel like she wasn't evil/misguided/malevolent at all, just really wanted a kiddo.

1. So I think one of the manifestations, the male, is Henry. Whenever he appears, he sounds like No-Face/Kaonashi from 'Spirited Away' when he's trying to give Sin the bath tokens. The same distinctive sound is heard when you go to sleep at the camp later on in the game, when the red eye-thing appears. I don't think it's Winston, despite him showing up right after in the flesh, because the sound usually seems to happen whenever the bloke in the gas mask appears.

2. Who is Gas Mask Woman? I'd assume it would be Beverly, but Beverly apparently combusted - did she get to retain her form as a manifestation? Or is Gas Mask Woman some totally random counterpart to Gas Mask Man?

3. Winston. I loved Winston. Yes, he creeped the heck outta me when he popped up on camera, but he definitely grew on me. Didn't say a single word, and he's still a memorable character. Am I right in thinking that, not only did Winston *want* to go home as Adam said, but actually lead you, the player, into the past in order to go through the steps to help him go home? He leads you to the Moon Room, he gestures to the knives (or at least it looks like he is), and he seems to be riding the children's rocker in an 'enthusiastic' manner, as if he's 'excited', during the banishment process. I feel like I'm partially-correct, but I think I might be off just a bit.

4. Adam - Whenever he calls you, what sounds like your EMF reader goes *bonkers*. However, after speaking to him a few times, I had a feeling that it wasn't an EMF machine, but a *life support* machine, as if he were in a hospital, especially after saying that he was '80 years old today', and that at the conclusion of the final call with the player, he passes away.

[moewe27]

I liked Winston, too.
I believe he is so supportive towards Captain Parker, because he wants to be brought back into the other world. He must be in the old desert temple for more than a thousand years. Only the daggers have the power to bring him back home. He was trapped in the temple and now in the house. Poor Winston!
Adam says, when they send Winston back, the things Beverly did, can be reversed. Does this mean, that Adam will die? It seems at the end. But does that mean, Beverly didn’t perform the ritual because she was afraid of losing her child? This got Winston mad and he killed her like he killed everyone else who couldn't or wouldn't help him.
So he is in some way a childlike character (sitting enthousiastic on the rocking horse), a mass murderer (?), an incubus, a demon and a bit like ET, who only wants to get home.

In your list you did not mention the three headed demon, who seems to be the one worshiped in the desert temple. I interpreted him as Asmodeus, a demon of lust, as wikipedia says. I don’t understand how he is related to Winston. Is Winston a lesser demon under Asmodeus command? Is Winston summoned by the worshipers of Asmodeus into our world?

What do you guys think? Do you have totally other ideas?

[MuscleBroStolas]

Originally posted by moewe27:

I liked Winston, too.
I believe he is so supportive towards Captain Parker, because he wants to be brought back into the other world. He must be in the old desert temple for more than a thousand years. Only the daggers have the power to bring him back home. He was trapped in the temple and now in the house. Poor Winston!
Adam says, when they send Winston back, the things Beverly did, can be reversed. Does this mean, that Adam will die? It seems at the end. But does that mean, Beverly didn’t perform the ritual because she was afraid of losing her child? This got Winston mad and he killed her like he killed everyone else who couldn't or wouldn't help him.
So he is in some way a childlike character (sitting enthousiastic on the rocking horse), a mass murderer (?), an incubus, a demon and a bit like ET, who only wants to get home.

In your list you did not mention the three headed demon, who seems to be the one worshiped in the desert temple. I interpreted him as Asmodeus, a demon of lust, as wikipedia says. I don’t understand how he is related to Winston. Is Winston a lesser demon under Asmodeus command? Is Winston summoned by the worshipers of Asmodeus into our world?

What do you guys think? Do you have totally other ideas?

Thanks for your input!
I do remember what Captain Parker said about Winston killing people, but to be honest, I see that as 'desperate', not 'evil'. Keep in mind, that the temple is most likely a very different place then what Winston may be used to. But I still think that he orchestrated events in his own way for you as Captain Parker to send the daggers back to England so that he can finally be 'banished'. Though we don't seem to use the daggers in the way that Beverly implies in her own vicious way.

Are you saying that there may have been some retcon thing going on? Like with Dark Fall: The Journal? That's a great idea, and I do remember what Adam said about having everything becoming undone. So maybe Adam didn't die, but he was 'unborn'. If that's the case then, just like Dark Fall, did Beverly really pass away during the ritual? I'm sure that Captain Parker remained dead, because he was killed in the Blitz, I believe, but it's possible that Beverly was able to live out her life.

I love your ET reference, by the way, haha. And yes, I believe that he is all of those things, yet not inherently evil. At least not to the player because he sees the player as 'helping him'. If the Player wasn't, who knows what his disposition might be? It's a thought!

Ah, good catch about the Sex Demon! I just saw it as an obstacle, but the whole Demon Worship angle is interesting, and definitely worth a discussion!

[sharondornhoff]

Regarding 2. : Remember that the house was originally part of a whole block of terraced houses, the rest of which were destroyed in the Blitz. Possibly both Gas Mask apparitions are Beverly's neighbors, who now manifest in the sole surviving building because it's a nexus for supernatural phenomena and was once attached to the houses they died in.