Increasing navi rates? BN1

[Netatsake]

Title. Farming the villain navi chips (on Switch) and was hoping there was a way to increase the frequency of their spawn (a la SneakRun in BN3) because Colorman and Elecman are being ♥♥♥♥♥.

[NightHatter]

Nope, it’s all just 5.9/6.2%

[Cyndir]

Use RNG manipulation: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10SNi2aUnWMyx3Z_qf-hJ4-wV7dNu0ro3YufhOMZthhQ/edit#gid=1779504645

[anthonychaves79]

Nope sorry, the RNG in BN1 is as random as it gets.

[Netatsake]

Thanks everyone. Also,

Originally posted by Cyndir:

Use RNG manipulation: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10SNi2aUnWMyx3Z_qf-hJ4-wV7dNu0ro3YufhOMZthhQ/edit#gid=1779504645

No thank you. That's way too much work. :| I did that for FF12 because it wasn't a lot of work or micromanagement. I'm not interested in going through that with BN.

[Netatsake]

Originally posted by Dai:

Originally posted by Netatsake:

I said exactly what I wanted in the post - something similar to Sneakrun in future games. Something that doesn't require a ton of micromanagement. Your trolling is cute, but off base.

i'm not trolling you're just rеtаrded lol

Calling me retarded in the same sentence you say you aren't trolling... that's literally outing yourself as a troll my dude.

[Outcast]

Originally posted by Dai:

Originally posted by Netatsake:

I said exactly what I wanted in the post - something similar to Sneakrun in future games. Something that doesn't require a ton of micromanagement. Your trolling is cute, but off base.

i'm not trolling you're just rеtаrded lol

the toxicity is skyrocketing here.

[Shomlakone]

Originally posted by Cyndir:

Use RNG manipulation: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10SNi2aUnWMyx3Z_qf-hJ4-wV7dNu0ro3YufhOMZthhQ/edit#gid=1779504645

I was looking for the same thing as the OP because man....trying to get them to spawn in BN1 is such a pain. the RNG manipulation wasn't too bad. Definitely better than mindlessly hoping for an encounter for far too long....then hoping to get the right rank.
Thanks for the link!

[Netatsake]

Originally posted by Shomlakone:

Originally posted by Cyndir:

Use RNG manipulation: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10SNi2aUnWMyx3Z_qf-hJ4-wV7dNu0ro3YufhOMZthhQ/edit#gid=1779504645

I was looking for the same thing as the OP because man....trying to get them to spawn in BN1 is such a pain. the RNG manipulation wasn't too bad. Definitely better than mindlessly hoping for an encounter for far too long....then hoping to get the right rank.
Thanks for the link!

I've found getting the right rank to be the easy part since I just use Bmax. If you go 30 seconds without damage, then the rank drops from S to 10. If you get hit just once in 10, it also drops to 10, so you can get the v2 chip fairly consistently. Testing it with the navis pre-Pharaohman, it's consistent with all of them, I have yet to go back for Pharaohman/Shadowman. But for ease, I usually just pull a stopwatch up on my phone during Navi fights and go for either the 30 second undamaged time or just... keep going until I get hit.

[Shomlakone]

Oh yeah.

Originally posted by Netatsake:

Originally posted by Shomlakone:

I was looking for the same thing as the OP because man....trying to get them to spawn in BN1 is such a pain. the RNG manipulation wasn't too bad. Definitely better than mindlessly hoping for an encounter for far too long....then hoping to get the right rank.
Thanks for the link!

I've found getting the right rank to be the easy part since I just use Bmax. If you go 30 seconds without damage, then the rank drops from S to 10. If you get hit just once in 10, it also drops to 10, so you can get the v2 chip fairly consistently. Testing it with the navis pre-Pharaohman, it's consistent with all of them, I have yet to go back for Pharaohman/Shadowman. But for ease, I usually just pull a stopwatch up on my phone during Navi fights and go for either the 30 second undamaged time or just... keep going until I get hit.

Oh yeah buster max makes getting the V2 and V3 chips pretty simple, you just need to either wait out a fight long enough, or just take a few hits on purpose and go from there. I just dont really have the time to randomly run around areas so the rng manipulation will be pretty handy for me. Already tried it a few times and have been able to consistently get Fireman and stoneman.

[Hei Gui]

Originally posted by anthonychaves79:

Originally posted by Dai:

lol dude offers u a solution and u say no. wtf u want

Thats because HE SAID it requires too much micromanagement, which isn't what he wants so no it isn't the solution he was looking for..... you have to kill too much things in too much of a specific way with X amount of time its too much, your better off grinding for chips, praying and hoping you end up getting the chip you want in the special chip trader, do all the secret bosses in the end and get the last final chip with the secret bass fight because that's the only chip that doesn't drop from the special chip trader.

Originally posted by anthonychaves79:

Nope sorry, the RNG in BN1 is as random as it gets.

Doesn't matter what he says. Doesn't matter what you say either when you start off with absolutely incorrect statements.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CPxwJAkFiE

In this video I am proving it is not "as random as it gets", and I literally just walked around and found random spots to RNG manipulate. This is much faster than walking around full steps and hoping for the standard 5-6% rate. Having to mindlessly run through a map hoping for an encounter just to get Zennies is a lot more work LOL. Also megalol at more micromanagement. I have to press like 1 more button to back out to the menu omg the world is ending!

ITT: OP asks for faster method, gets faster method, but doesn't want to use faster method due to skill issue or something.

[anthonychaves79]

Originally posted by Dai:

Originally posted by anthonychaves79:

Thats because HE SAID it requires too much micromanagement, which isn't what he wants so no it isn't the solution he was looking for..... you have to kill too much things in too much of a specific way with X amount of time its too much, your better off grinding for chips, praying and hoping you end up getting the chip you want in the special chip trader, do all the secret bosses in the end and get the last final chip with the secret bass fight because that's the only chip that doesn't drop from the special chip trader.

Originally posted by anthonychaves79:

Nope sorry, the RNG in BN1 is as random as it gets.

Doesn't matter what he says. Doesn't matter what you say either when you start off with absolutely incorrect statements.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CPxwJAkFiE

In this video I am proving it is not "as random as it gets", and I literally just walked around and found random spots to RNG manipulate. This is much faster than walking around full steps and hoping for the standard 5-6% rate. Having to mindlessly run through a map hoping for an encounter just to get Zennies is a lot more work LOL. Also megalol at more micromanagement. I have to press like 1 more button to back out to the menu omg the world is ending!

ITT: OP asks for faster method, gets faster method, but doesn't want to use faster method due to skill issue or something. :lunar2019laughingpig:

Its not incorrect, if you have to play in a extremely specific way JUST to get specific battle chips then it makes the experience even more miserable than what it already is.

Hence most people just want to play more casually, thus very random rates.

[Hei Gui]

Originally posted by anthonychaves79:

Originally posted by Dai:

Doesn't matter what he says. Doesn't matter what you say either when you start off with absolutely incorrect statements.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CPxwJAkFiE

In this video I am proving it is not "as random as it gets", and I literally just walked around and found random spots to RNG manipulate. This is much faster than walking around full steps and hoping for the standard 5-6% rate. Having to mindlessly run through a map hoping for an encounter just to get Zennies is a lot more work LOL. Also megalol at more micromanagement. I have to press like 1 more button to back out to the menu omg the world is ending!

ITT: OP asks for faster method, gets faster method, but doesn't want to use faster method due to skill issue or something.

Its not incorrect, if you have to play in a extremely specific way JUST to get specific battle chips then it makes the experience even more miserable than what it already is.

Hence most people just want to play more casually, thus very random rates.

guess you didn't watch it at all. this method isn't that specific. the ultra specific ones are like from doicm. while doicm method works, i didn't practice his exact routes. i spent a couple of minutes minimizing my step rate, then going in different directions until i found a scenario where it gave me what i wanted. it's actually really fast and simple

also not sure how you didn't notice the RNG wasn't completely random. Have you never tried farming a random encounter and notice when you go in a certain direction after reload it repeats the exact same mobs with the exact same chip loadout?

if you think running around mindlessly for possibly hours (7 hours according to one person) is more miserable than running around for a few minutes to find a save spot, then that's an interesting prerogative

EDIT: LOL I found this is under 10 minutes and spent less than 2 minutes timing my buster shots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RZIjrMdAlA

[Netatsake]

Originally posted by Dai:

Originally posted by anthonychaves79:

Thats because HE SAID it requires too much micromanagement, which isn't what he wants so no it isn't the solution he was looking for..... you have to kill too much things in too much of a specific way with X amount of time its too much, your better off grinding for chips, praying and hoping you end up getting the chip you want in the special chip trader, do all the secret bosses in the end and get the last final chip with the secret bass fight because that's the only chip that doesn't drop from the special chip trader.

Originally posted by anthonychaves79:

Nope sorry, the RNG in BN1 is as random as it gets.

Doesn't matter what he says. Doesn't matter what you say either when you start off with absolutely incorrect statements.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CPxwJAkFiE

In this video I am proving it is not "as random as it gets", and I literally just walked around and found random spots to RNG manipulate. This is much faster than walking around full steps and hoping for the standard 5-6% rate. Having to mindlessly run through a map hoping for an encounter just to get Zennies is a lot more work LOL. Also megalol at more micromanagement. I have to press like 1 more button to back out to the menu omg the world is ending!

ITT: OP asks for faster method, gets faster method, but doesn't want to use faster method due to skill issue or something. :lunar2019laughingpig:

Cool, you've outed yourself as a garbage human being. Thanks! We needed more of you to come out of the woodworks on the internet!

I love how you decided that because I don't want to do something that is more work than putting on Sneakrun and running around (y'know, the EXACT thing I asked about a comparatively similar method to) that I'm 'an unskilled clown.' Not everyone wants to go through methods that require frame-reliant inputs in a game they largely play casually.

And that's the main problem with RNG manipulation. Frame-specific inputs are A LOT more feasible on PC (which I assume this video was recorded on) than on Switch (which I straight-up said I was playing this on in the first line of the post) because, from my experience so far, the framerate is not always that consistent, especially in the first game for some reason. On top of that, I have some minor nerve issues in my hands that prevent me doing certain speeds of inputs, largely because I spent years doing exactly those inputs and then ♥♥♥♥♥♥ my hands up. But, y'know, instead of being remotely understanding about these things, and having incomplete information, you decided 'hey, I'm gonna be a douche instead! That sounds a lot more desirable!'

So hey, next time you want to talk about something, make sure you have YOUR facts straight before you start acting like you know what is and isn't easier for people. Kay? Kay.

[betasprite]

So, I checked out Dai's channel, and the techniques he's using aren't the frame-perfect inputs. It's just a matter of getting a save close to setting off an encounter (there's a period of time after a fight where you can't get another, so you run around before saving), then you test what encounters you get when you hold a specific direction immediately after reloading your save. I was able to repeatedly get Pharaoh Man and try for his V2 chip (and later, Anubis) by using that technique (once I got a save that I found him in), and then I was able to do the same for Shadow Man.

I have never been able to pull off the complicated movements that are in the Google document. I'm a scrub at things like frame-perfect inputs, but Dai's technique works.

[Hei Gui]

Originally posted by betasprite:

So, I checked out Dai's channel, and the techniques he's using aren't the frame-perfect inputs. It's just a matter of getting a save close to setting off an encounter (there's a period of time after a fight where you can't get another, so you run around before saving), then you test what encounters you get when you hold a specific direction immediately after reloading your save. I was able to repeatedly get Pharaoh Man and try for his V2 chip (and later, Anubis) by using that technique (once I got a save that I found him in), and then I was able to do the same for Shadow Man.

I have never been able to pull off the complicated movements that are in the Google document. I'm a scrub at things like frame-perfect inputs, but Dai's technique works.

Yea basically the 2 guys in this thread are running their mouths without even trying to see how the game spawns in mobs. Even the obscurity of steps before encounters is made pretty obvious if they save scum or even thought about the internet-15 requirement.