Denuvo's back and we all fell for it

[TheMAM]

We complained about Sonic Mania having Denuvo software enough that SEGA removed it. Big win for us, right?

Except everyone was fangasming so hard about how GREAT Sonic Frontiers was that we completely ignored the Denuvo that came with it. Now it's in Sonic Origins and future Sonic games to come.

The general public's short attention spans are truly our undoing.

[Ness_and_Sonic]

What's sad is they delisted the original versions for this garbage.

[funewchie]

What of it?

Of course it has Denuvo.
No company would be stupid enough to leave their product unprotected.

[TheMAM]

Originally posted by funewchie:

What of it?

Of course it has Denuvo.
No company would be stupid enough to leave their product unprotected.

People pirate the game anyways, Denuvo isn't stopping it.

[funewchie]

Originally posted by TheMAM:

Originally posted by funewchie:

What of it?

Of course it has Denuvo.
No company would be stupid enough to leave their product unprotected.

People pirate the game anyways, Denuvo isn't stopping it.

People break into houses too, yet we still have the police.

[NBOX21]

Originally posted by funewchie:

What of it?

Of course it has Denuvo.
No company would be stupid enough to leave their product unprotected.

Bandai Namco published Elden Ring on Steam without Denuvo or DRM of any sort and yet it still sold like hotcakes anyway.

[lukaself]

Originally posted by funewchie:

What of it?

Of course it has Denuvo.
No company would be stupid enough to leave their product unprotected.

There were more DRM-free games in last year's 100 best sellers list on Steam than titles with Denuvo.

Denuvo may be effective at delaying piracy but you operate from the false assumption that preventing piracy affects sales in any way.

[Duckilous]

Originally posted by NBOX21:

Originally posted by funewchie:

What of it?

Of course it has Denuvo.
No company would be stupid enough to leave their product unprotected.

Bandai Namco published Elden Ring on Steam without Denuvo or DRM of any sort and yet it still sold like hotcakes anyway.

The Witcher 3 and I think Cyberpunk 2077 still sold extremely well despite having no DRM either. There will always be a majority of people who will legitimately buy the game than there would ever be pirates who refuses to buy one after getting it for free.
Otherwise we wouldn't be living in a 'healthy' capitalistic world now, would we.

All it takes to sell a game well is marketing your game very well and it would certainly help if the game is really good as well. Denuvo barely makes a big difference to sales and it just pisses off consumers off more than pirates who manages to get it cracked anyway.
Like Gabe Newell said, piracy is more of the result of a service issue than a pricing one.

Originally posted by funewchie:

Originally posted by TheMAM:

People pirate the game anyways, Denuvo isn't stopping it.

People break into houses too, yet we still have the police.

The police would still help you when you report the robbery afterwards.
Denuvo does ♥♥♥♥ all the moment it gets cracked, but that doesn't mean the pirates won't buy the game, they actually still would if they're impressed enough (or old enough to buy with their own money!).

Anyway, piracy is not the same thing as stealing, you're merely acquiring an illegitimate copy which we already got a word for that crime. It's called copyright infringement.

[Ness_and_Sonic]

Originally posted by funewchie:

Originally posted by TheMAM:

People pirate the game anyways, Denuvo isn't stopping it.

People break into houses too, yet we still have the police.

And because of the way Denuvo requires an online connect from time to time, it's kind of like the developer is breaking into your house to take the game back from you until you send them an email as the game becomes a brick without internet access. Meanwhile, the original versions didn't need that.

[funewchie]

Originally posted by Ness_and_Sonic:

Originally posted by funewchie:

People break into houses too, yet we still have the police.

And because of the way Denuvo requires an online connect from time to time, it's kind of like the developer is breaking into your house to take the game back from you until you send them an email as the game becomes a brick without internet access. Meanwhile, the original versions didn't need that.

And yet, you people have no issue with paying Netflix, Hulu, Paramount+, Prime Video, Disney+, etc, to break into your houses every day to take away your movies and TV shows, as your Rokus and smart TVs become hot garbage without internet.

Where's your rallying of mobs to shut down their businesses for DARING to protect their products?
In short, Denuvo is a harmless product, which pirates love to use as a buzzword to rally ignorant masses to do their bidding.

But sure, dude, whatever helps you sleep at night.
Piracy is still theft.

[468528456]

Originally posted by funewchie:

Originally posted by Ness_and_Sonic:

And because of the way Denuvo requires an online connect from time to time, it's kind of like the developer is breaking into your house to take the game back from you until you send them an email as the game becomes a brick without internet access. Meanwhile, the original versions didn't need that.

And yet, you people have no issue with paying Netflix, Hulu, Paramount+, Prime Video, Disney+, etc, to break into your houses every day to take away your movies and TV shows, as your Rokus and smart TVs become hot garbage without internet.

I don't have any of those. I watch Tubi which is free and supported by ads.

You know why Denuvo (or any DRM) is bad? Because it takes precious development time and resources to implement. As such, every unfixed bug in Origins that they didn't have time to fix is on Denuvo's head. That's ignoring when Denuvo causes bugs (like in Rage 2 where they had to patch it out as a result).

And given how terrible Sonic Origins is (Mixed reviews), I don't think piracy should be anywhere on Sega's radar right now...Cause nobody wants to pirate a buggy collection of old games.

[Ness_and_Sonic]

Originally posted by funewchie:

And yet, you people have no issue with paying Netflix, Hulu, Paramount+, Prime Video, Disney+, etc, to break into your houses every day to take away your movies and TV shows, as your Rokus and smart TVs become hot garbage without internet.

In short, Denuvo is a harmless product, which pirates love to use as a buzzword to rally ignorant masses to do their bidding.

But sure, dude, whatever helps you sleep at night.
Piracy is still theft.

Actually, I've been hearing Netflix and Disney + haven't been performing to the company's standards. What with Netflix cracking down on password sharing after making a big deal about it before and Disney axing a good chunk of the catalog, it should seem obvious.

Harmless my butt. Even if you want to claim it doesn't impact performance, which there is reason to believe, it's still an online check, which is a mechanism that can and will brick games for PC gamers unless removed. Imagine if Wii ware and digital DSi, 3DS, and Wii U games required an online check with the same servers you bought them from. How playable would those digital games be today under that kind of system now that those stores are closed?

And to quote Viewtiful Joe, "You have to be careful not to become what you're trying to defeat, otherwise no one will care if you succeed." This is the mistake that's being made with Denuvo. It's stealing the game from people that bought it.

[funewchie]

Originally posted by 468528456:

You know why Denuvo (or any DRM) is bad?

And given how terrible Sonic Origins is (Mixed reviews), I don't think piracy should be anywhere on Sega's radar right now...Cause nobody wants to pirate a buggy collection of old games.

Yes, because it makes thing inconvenient for pirates and thieves, and the gamers that profit from their stolen goods because mommy and daddy won't buy the game for them.
Of course they'll go around telling people how bad and evil and antidisestablishmentarian (or whatever the word is) IP defense is.

Origins having a Mixed review has nothing to do with Denuvo. It's from a bunch of people mad cause they didn't buy the Genesis Mega Drive one for 99 cents when they had the chance.
Good, I say!
They were too cheap to support the company before, now they have to do without or pay more. Their being tightwads bit them in the rear.
Now they're trying to whine and rage on reviews, hoping to scare people away, solely out of spite.

[468528456]

Originally posted by funewchie:

Origins having a Mixed review has nothing to do with Denuvo.

Has a lot to do with Denuvo. It caused a lot of the bugs, glitches, and general failure paid customers are complaining about.

[Ness_and_Sonic]

Originally posted by funewchie:

Yes, because it makes thing inconvenient for pirates and thieves, and the gamers that profit from their stolen goods because mommy and daddy won't buy the game for them.

Origins having a Mixed review has nothing to do with Denuvo. It's from a bunch of people mad cause they didn't buy the Genesis Mega Drive one for 99 cents when they had the chance.

Actually, it's the existence of the original versions that Denuvo is doing jack squat to protect this compilation. If these games were completely new games, you could claim it was protecting something, but these games were released in Sonic 1, 2, CD, and 3 & Knuckles were released in 1991, 1992, 1993, and 1994 respectively on the Genesis and Sega CD, which is way before Denuvo existed. The only thing this is doing is hurting those that bought Origins. They've been re-released multiple times since then on Sega Saturn, Gamecube, PS2, GBA (Sonic 1 as Sonic the Hedgehog Genesis), Xbox, PS3, Wii, DS, and plenty of other systems.

Honestly, if this compilation was better than the original, Sega would have left those versions up similar to how the original version of Saints Row the Third is for Sale now even though a remastered version is available just to show how confident they were in this compilation. The fact that they didn't says a lot about their lack of confidence in this.

[NBOX21]

Originally posted by Ness_and_Sonic:

Honestly, if this compilation was better than the original, Sega would have left those versions up...

Not necessarily.
Some games that have remasters or re-releases worse than their original versions still have both available to buy. I think SEGA would've de-listed the old versions even if it were unanimously agreed that they're the best ways to play them.

Originally posted by funewchie:

And yet, you people have no issue with paying Netflix, Hulu, Paramount+, Prime Video, Disney+, etc, to break into your houses every day to take away your movies and TV shows, as your Rokus and smart TVs become hot garbage without internet.

DRM and subscriptions are not the same thing.

The reason people don't have a problem with subscriptions (to tie this into gaming, we have XBOX and PC Game Pass) is because we know we're paying for limited access to a wider selection of content than we would if we bought them individually. It's kind of like a modern version of rentals. You don't own the content you're subscribing to, you're merely paying for limited time access to said content and you know this beforehand.

That said, Nintendo Switch Online absolutely is a problem despite also being handled in a similar way because there's no way to buy the content outright like we can with the other examples provided.

Originally posted by funewchie:

It's from a bunch of people mad cause they didn't buy the Genesis Mega Drive one for 99 cents when they had the chance.
Good, I say!

Keep in mind, I can still buy used copies of Sonic Mega Collection Plus for way cheaper than this. Not just the PS2 version, but also on XBOX and even on PC via the Sonic PC Collection. If SEGA is going to charge a premium for these versions of games that not only did they used to sell for cheaper on Steam, but are still available for cheaper elsewhere, we better expect to be getting value for our money or else of course people are going to be upset over it!

That said, while Denuvo is one of the reasons people are upset about this collection as older releases of these games on PC didn't have it, it's far from the only reason as some of the issues with this collection can also apply to console.

Originally posted by funewchie:

They were too cheap to support the company before, now they have to do without or pay more. Their being tightwads bit them in the rear.
Now they're trying to whine and rage on reviews, hoping to scare people away, solely out of spite.

Would you say the same thing about Nintendo games?
Metroid Prime Trilogy on Wii U was only A$26 on the eShop and now that's been shutdown so you can't buy it anymore. Right now, Metroid Prime 1 (and only the first game) is being sold as an A$80 release on the Switch.

Absolute scum of them to pull a stunt like that, especially considering the timing of the release of the MP1 remaster.