Why people are askin for Spinball, 3D Blast and Chaotix?

[Ikagura]

These games are mediocre at best.

Seriously 3D Blast is confusing, Spinball is slow and sluggish and Chaotix is empty.

They don't have the same quality value as the Genesis Classics.

[NBOX21]

These games still added to the value of previous collections that featured these games, regardless of their overall quality.

As for why people want Chaotix, it's very simple! SEGA has never re-released that game in any way and many fans are curious to try it out sometime and experience a somewhat forgotten piece of SEGA history even if it's not very good.

[Sifer2]

Partly because the Genesis games have been released on damn near every platform known to man. Where as a lot of these other old titles never get released again. I don't think anyone is arguing they are better than the Genesis mainline series. Just that you can already get those in many ways. Well you could. They are delisting them to force the buy of this soon.

[baoyustonedaiyutears]

3D Blast is still held in high regard when it comes to Sonic spinoffs, especially the Saturn version. I definitely wouldn't mind a collection with that in the mix. Same as Chaotix. Just because the 32X was a flop doesn't mean the game automatically lacks merit. It would be like saying that Sonic CD shouldn't be included in the collection because the Sega CD was also technically a failure if you are going by sales numbers and longevity.

I agree with you on Sonic Spinball though, and I think the only reason why people want that in the collection is because it was on the Sonic Mega Collections back when they were released for the PS2/Xbox/GCN. Probably nostalgia value is all.

[Owlet VII]

Sonic 3D is pretty good. Would love to someday see a version based on the Saturn port that implements all the Director's Cut features and Mega Drive music.

[CrowRising]

Quality is subjective. Just because most people don't like these games, that doesn't mean someone is wrong for any one of them being their favorite game. If such a person really wanted to spend the money on such a re-release, that's their own money to do with as they please.

If the price stayed the same, the presence of such games in the collection, even if just emulated with nothing new added, wouldn't do anything to hurt. Most people just wouldn't be buying for those games specifically, they would be a draw for a few extra sales on the side.

Personally, i don't care for any of the three games. Of the three, I'd probably rather play Spinball, but then there's much better pinball style games out there, even within the Sonic series (Sonic Pinball Party). The only thing Spinball really has going for it is the arcadey charm it has going on, but that wears off pretty quick.

[Unexpected]

sonic spinball was one of the genesis games i consistently played so i have a soft spot for it
3d blast, eh can live without it
chaotix is very obscure due to its limited launch platform, so i can see the demand for that

[BoolXorElse]

Why would anyone want Knuckles Chaotix? Have you heard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqrZQNOjbWE

[CrowRising]

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Originally posted by CrowRising:

Quality is subjective.

Excuse me but how? Something is being judged as good by the people, take Ocarina of Time, it's considered as a masterpiece even to this day.

Sure, but that doesn't mean that someone is "wrong" for not liking it. Majority opinions do not create facts. Many people all liking the same thing doesn't make it objectively good. It's still a subjective opinion, it's just a common subjective opinion that most people can agree on.

The problem is that everyone has their own standards for quality in regards to entertainment media. Everyone has their own reasons for why they like or don't like any particular movie or book or video game or painting or etc. Those reasons are personal opinions, and personal opinions are subjective.

[Animalman]

3D blast is good high quality game can spend time with.

3D blast is good because there’s alot of content to it. Nice load of levels of good size. Special zones are good. 3D blast is good.

I can’t get passed the level consistently on spinball find it quite frustrating.

Chaotix is empty indeed. Like an unfinished game. Or a very early prototype game.

[Animalman]

And btw on a sega mega drive sonic 3D blast was fast but of course not as fast as the normal 2D games. The camera concept of how to follow the player and render a false 3D environment didn’t exist so a criticism like 3D blast isn’t fast enough for a sonic game that’s why it’s bad is immature. 3D blast did a good job showing the world what can be done with isometric game. And it’s fast enough. Depends on sonic gimmicks which is a good thing.

It’s a good game. Part of the nostalg

[🐠🍑]

Hopefully Sega will sell them individually as DLC for Sonic Origins in the future!

[Edward H.B]

Spinball feels more like a mini-game than an actual game
Chaotix is meh, I agree


Sonic 3D blast is a good sonic game, with solid gameplay and good controls (yes, the control is 100% accurate)
yes, it can be a bit confusing with the isometric camera, which people tends to think the control are a problem (which it isn't)
but the game is an 8/10

[Edward H.B]

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Originally posted by Animalman:

3D blast is good high quality game can spend time with.

I dunno, in 1996 the mighty Mario 64 came out and it made 3D Blast pale in comparison.

yes, in 1996

now we are in the 2022, where making a 3D game to be on top, be relevant and sell your console no longer applies

[Ikagura]

Originally posted by Edward H.B:

Originally posted by Ikagura:

I dunno, in 1996 the mighty Mario 64 came out and it made 3D Blast pale in comparison.

yes, in 1996

now we are in the 2022, where making a 3D game to be on top, be relevant and sell your console no longer applies

Context is important, when videogames were evolving Sonic couldn't.

Mania would've been a better choice on the Saturn than whatever Xtreme was gonna be.

Also isometric 3D platforming is weird and the whole "flicky fetching" quest is reminiscing of the Treasure Hunting which doesn't really fit Sonic's fast gameplay.

[Flit]

This is a really opinionated post, so to contribute to the conversation I'll throw in some really good videos from someone I've been watching about 3D Blast and Knuckles Chaotix:

https://youtu.be/gU7z_CZ84lk

https://youtu.be/4TUOpurkxXM

They are lengthy but they are great watches and they give insight that I could not have thought of myself, so I do recommend watching them and some of the other videos.