Why Isn't Amy Playable?

[Everybody do the flop]

I get she isn't normally playable, but since Sonic, Tails and Knuckles seem to be playable in all of the titles, including ones they weren't even in, shouldn't Amy be playable too? Heck, throw Metal Sonic in there too! Metal Sonic should have Sonic's moveset with slight changes like reaching top speed sooner, but at the cost of control. Maybe he could be a bit slippery like in SA2.

[Ikagura]

Originally posted by supermichael:

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Sally Acorn is the supperior female protagonist in the franchise don't @ me.

It would be cool if she was playable, but isn't there legal problem with using characters from Sonic The Hedgehog Satam?

No, why?

Originally posted by Everybody do the flop:

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Sally Acorn is the supperior female protagonist in the franchise don't @ me.

And when was she last playable?

What is your point?

[CrowRising]

Sally isn't canon to the games. They'd have to retcon her in, and then they'd have to explain why she never shows up again after.

I'm also not entirely sure whether Sally belongs to Ken Penders. I do know he's been very defensive about the matter of SEGA using any of his characters, even bringing the matter to court at one point.

[Ikagura]

Originally posted by CrowRising:

Sally isn't canon to the games.

Sonic doesn't really need any canon, I mean Mario bros doesn't really has one either.

Originally posted by CrowRising:

They'd have to retcon her in, and then they'd have to explain why she never shows up again after.

Tell this about Blaze.

Originally posted by CrowRising:

I'm also not entirely sure whether Sally belongs to Ken Penders. I do know he's been very defensive about the matter of SEGA using any of his characters, even bringing the matter to court at one point.

The thing is that this guy doesn't own Sally and I hope he won't ever get his claws close to the Sonic IP any soon.

[CrowRising]

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Originally posted by CrowRising:

Sally isn't canon to the games.

Sonic doesn't really need any canon, I mean Mario bros doesn't really has one either.

Sonic has canon whether you like it or not. That's not changing any time soon.

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Originally posted by CrowRising:

They'd have to retcon her in, and then they'd have to explain why she never shows up again after.

Tell this about Blaze.

Blaze never disappeared though. She appears in a number of games after the Rush series, and has even featured in the comics. Her only major noteworthy exclusion was Forces.

[Everybody do the flop]

Originally posted by Animalman:

If they did amy as playable they couldnt do what the rom hacks do they’d have to do something never seen before for it to be worth while. So like the rom hack has a basic setup and premise for how we expect Amy to play, And if they straight out copy the rom hacks I think the rom hacking mega fans would lose a lot of respect probably not purchase. So they’d have to do something different. Mighty Ray was abit of a curve ball, I like mighty but really dislike rays end of level animation with the thumbs and his face. Additionally mighty the way mania presented him required special level design to even be viable. Like his custom paths. So

How would they do any without providing a straight rip of rom hack versions?

If you making the sprites from scratch just do a new sprite game.

The thing is though, Amy and Metal Sonic SHOULD be playable otherwise there's no point to them being featured in the cover art. They only appear in Sonic CD, so it's like if Silver Sonic from Sonic 2 randomly showed up on the cover. Being in one of 4 games shouldn't give you cover status TBH.

Additionally, why should Amy and Metal Sonic only be playable in a new game? Ray and Mighty were added in Mania DLC, so by your logic they shouldn't have been in the game at all.

[Owlet VII]

Originally posted by Everybody do the flop:

The thing is though, Amy and Metal Sonic SHOULD be playable otherwise there's no point to them being featured in the cover art.

Well that's some bizarre reasoning, do you apply the same logic to every game's box art? Should the Cyberdemon have been playable in Doom 2, because he's on the cover?

Originally posted by Everybody do the flop:

Additionally, why should Amy and Metal Sonic only be playable in a new game? Ray and Mighty were added in Mania DLC, so by your logic they shouldn't have been in the game at all.

What do you mean? Ray and Mighty are older Sonic characters than Amy and Metal. SegaSonic the Hedgehog came out before Sonic CD, and they were playable in it.

[NBOX21]

Originally posted by Animalman:

But they have to improve or rethink on the Amy gameplay, how will it differ, which path is available.

If you making the sprites from scratch just do a new sprite game.

ROM hacks already exist for Sonic 1 and 2 that make Amy the playable character with her moveset from Sonic Advance. She plays just fine in those games.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=674641221
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2625649782

[Everybody do the flop]

Originally posted by Owlet Z:

What do you mean? Ray and Mighty are older Sonic characters than Amy and Metal. SegaSonic the Hedgehog came out before Sonic CD, and they were playable in it.

What does that have to do with anything? It doesn't matter who's been a SEGA character for longer or not, it's that Amy deserves to be playable again!

Also what does the gameplay in SEGASonic have to do with the classic games? They play nothing alike and it would be easier to port Amy's Advance controls to Origins than it would be to port Mighty's SEGASonic controls to Mania.

[CrowRising]

Originally posted by Everybody do the flop:

Originally posted by Owlet Z:

What do you mean? Ray and Mighty are older Sonic characters than Amy and Metal. SegaSonic the Hedgehog came out before Sonic CD, and they were playable in it.

What does that have to do with anything? It doesn't matter who's been a SEGA character for longer or not, it's that Amy deserves to be playable again!

Also what does the gameplay in SEGASonic have to do with the classic games? They play nothing alike and it would be easier to port Amy's Advance controls to Origins than it would be to port Mighty's SEGASonic controls to Mania.

Mighty was playable in Chaotix, the only thing they had to do porting him into Mania was swap out his wall jump for the hammer drop.

[Everybody do the flop]

Originally posted by CrowRising:

Originally posted by Everybody do the flop:

What does that have to do with anything? It doesn't matter who's been a SEGA character for longer or not, it's that Amy deserves to be playable again!

Also what does the gameplay in SEGASonic have to do with the classic games? They play nothing alike and it would be easier to port Amy's Advance controls to Origins than it would be to port Mighty's SEGASonic controls to Mania.

Mighty was playable in Chaotix, the only thing they had to do porting him into Mania was swap out his wall jump for the hammer drop.

Right, then what about Ray? They had to make him from scratch. I don't get why adding in Amy and Metal Sonic would be so difficult, especially the latter.

[CrowRising]

Originally posted by Everybody do the flop:

Originally posted by CrowRising:

Mighty was playable in Chaotix, the only thing they had to do porting him into Mania was swap out his wall jump for the hammer drop.

Right, then what about Ray? They had to make him from scratch. I don't get why adding in Amy and Metal Sonic would be so difficult, especially the latter.

I never made any such point. All I was pointing out was that Mighty was playable in Chaotix with only a minor difference in playstyle. That has nothing to do with how difficult Amy or Metal would be to make playable.

[Animalman]

They do have this skins section added in, to skin sonic appropriately. This probably means using sonic 1 or 2 with the insta shield, or deciding between the two super forms. And maybe a hyper form of sonic 2 super graphic. And hopefully a metal sonic. But unique gameplay for the character is better than just having the skin. An amy skin without functionality would not be received well. A metal you might escape with it as a skin only.

I feel like if they had something really cool they’d had showed it on the trailer. I rewatched the mania trailer and they mentioned drop dash and other things.


I can foresee mighty and ray being added from their mania versions becsuse of mighty spike bounce he’s still viable in sonic 1. Possibly. Ray would be viable in all original saga games aswell.

[Animalman]

Saying that


If there is a skin sonic appropriately section and he plays sonic 1 or 2 gpx in a game where he doesn’t have particular graphics such as hanging on a rope, or snow boarding. Maybe they have done some sprite work they are keeping on the quiet. Or that

We misinterpret what that box next to sonic is because knuckles and tails don’t have it. Maybe it just controls his play style. While tails and knuckles don’t have any variations.

[Animalman]

Like I just don’t see the point of replacing lives with coins if there isn’t anything significant to spend the coins on that was not already the loss of life. :S original purpose of lives.

I watch the origins trailer again no info at all. But doesn’t indicate that Amy metal or any other character is available but it shows knuckles in sonic 1. The trailer show no indication what the 3D menu looks like either. So maybe if they don’t want show the unlockables screen because the text is all plain to see visible to player and would spoil 90% of the games content.

[Everybody do the flop]

Originally posted by Animalman:

Like I just don’t see the point of replacing lives with coins if there isn’t anything significant to spend the coins on that was not already the loss of life. :S original purpose of lives.

I watch the origins trailer again no info at all. But doesn’t indicate that Amy metal or any other character is available but it shows knuckles in sonic 1. The trailer show no indication what the 3D menu looks like either. So maybe if they don’t want show the unlockables screen because the text is all plain to see visible to player and would spoil 90% of the games content.

Or the coins could just be there to unlock more songs and missions.