Crazy idea of Mona and Una

[JacksonSwiftt]

Is it possible that somehow Mona is a demon version of Una and Pamela is a demon version of Uni?
My supporting info is
the hair styles of the two are very similar with Mona being longer
Mona having some lines that seems to lead to her knowing MC from the past
Pamela being very similar to Uni
I may have breezed past the succubus answer for what would happen if you tried to bring back the dead but maybe Creating Demon versions is somehow the result (and going back in time)?
At this time I have seen the BE, NE, and HE, so maybe the similar hair styles and mannerisms are explained elsewhere but i think it could be a thing.

[shingekily]

Having also seen all three endings, my interpretation is similar to yours. I think perhaps the story is playing in a constant cycle, which we either repeat or break depending on the endings. Una and Mona may be the same character, if not, perhaps a reincarnation of the same character?

If I remember correctly, the opening to the game shows a figure who looks similarly to Una, where we say goodbye. Only to find ourselves wake up and then get sucked in. This appears to be the normal ending, since once we walk through, we get taken back to our world, think it was a dream, then get sucked right back in.

My original theory is that Una is destined to become Mona, perhaps wish for her sister and because she didn’t know the consequences of wishing for the dead, she becomes a demon and therefore, could summon a reimagining of her sister. Kind of the reason as to why Pamela disappeared when Mona died. If I remember correctly, the succubus said that the wish would be granted but not the way the user would have liked, kind of like the monkey’s paw. And if we choose to not tell Una anything about her sister or the consequences, which leads to the normal ending, it will repeat the cycle. But breaking the cycle by not going and staying with Una would both stop Una from wishing for her sister, because we told her, and therefore not leaving her empty and alone like Mona. It can also stop the cycle if Mona beats Una, and takes us away, where it says we never see Una again and we’re held captive for an eternity.

The only fault with this theory is that the succubus queen claims Mona never used the artifact, she just “squats by it.” Not to mention Pamela apparently said she has sisters, plural.

But I think I remember in the normal ending, during Mona’s last few words, she refers to Una as also sister? I’d have to replay the fight but I’m pretty sure she did. It would explain why Una and Pamela get along so well, but that’s another theory.

Sorry for the long post but I’m so engrossed in the story, kind of wish we get more info on Mona but I noticed in the credits there’s a side story to the main story so I’ll be doing the side dungeons tomorrow. Hopefully I’ll get more answers.

[JacksonSwiftt]

Originally posted by shingekily:

Having also seen all three endings, my interpretation is similar to yours. I think perhaps the story is playing in a constant cycle, which we either repeat or break depending on the endings. Una and Mona may be the same character, if not, perhaps a reincarnation of the same character?

If I remember correctly, the opening to the game shows a figure who looks similarly to Una, where we say goodbye. Only to find ourselves wake up and then get sucked in. This appears to be the normal ending, since once we walk through, we get taken back to our world, think it was a dream, then get sucked right back in.

My original theory is that Una is destined to become Mona, perhaps wish for her sister and because she didn’t know the consequences of wishing for the dead, she becomes a demon and therefore, could summon a reimagining of her sister. Kind of the reason as to why Pamela disappeared when Mona died. If I remember correctly, the succubus said that the wish would be granted but not the way the user would have liked, kind of like the monkey’s paw. And if we choose to not tell Una anything about her sister or the consequences, which leads to the normal ending, it will repeat the cycle. But breaking the cycle by not going and staying with Una would both stop Una from wishing for her sister, because we told her, and therefore not leaving her empty and alone like Mona. It can also stop the cycle if Mona beats Una, and takes us away, where it says we never see Una again and we’re held captive for an eternity.

The only fault with this theory is that the succubus queen claims Mona never used the artifact, she just “squats by it.” Not to mention Pamela apparently said she has sisters, plural.

But I think I remember in the normal ending, during Mona’s last few words, she refers to Una as also sister? I’d have to replay the fight but I’m pretty sure she did. It would explain why Una and Pamela get along so well, but that’s another theory.

Sorry for the long post but I’m so engrossed in the story, kind of wish we get more info on Mona but I noticed in the credits there’s a side story to the main story so I’ll be doing the side dungeons tomorrow. Hopefully I’ll get more answers.

I dont think Pamela said sisters until after Una and her had the sister scene. The succubus also said that Mona came from outside into what was at the time her dungeon. If Mona is a time loop Una who made a wish, it could be argued since she didnt leave the world similarly to MC, that she wouldnt get a new wish, leading to her being unable to use the artifact.

[Everglow]

if im not mistaken i believe mona is someone that wished to return someone to life (pamala), since when she dies so does pamala, and the succubus does hint at mona not being from the dungeon

and i dont think the vampire or succubus ever call her a demon directly, i think they all referred to her simply as her or as the dungeon master

now as for una's sister... pamala said she has sensed anyone enter the dungeon in a long time and survive... but there are ZERO events about finding a body of ANYONE not even a random corpse (or events of running into antother adventurer in the beginner floors) which is a bit odd honestly are there no one else entering it? so its possible her sister never actually entered the dungeon or it is some sort of weird warp where the "dungeon" is actually MANY dungeons that are different to different people or something

[shingekily]

Originally posted by Everglow:

if im not mistaken i believe mona is someone that wished to return someone to life (pamala), since when she dies so does pamala, and the succubus does hint at mona not being from the dungeon

and i dont think the vampire or succubus ever call her a demon directly, i think they all referred to her simply as her or as the dungeon master

now as for una's sister... pamala said she has sensed anyone enter the dungeon in a long time and survive... but there are ZERO events about finding a body of ANYONE not even a random corpse (or events of running into antother adventurer in the beginner floors) which is a bit odd honestly are there no one else entering it? so its possible her sister never actually entered the dungeon or it is some sort of weird warp where the "dungeon" is actually MANY dungeons that are different to different people or something

You might be right about Mona just being someone who wished for Pamela, but it wouldn’t explain how she knew our character. And yeah, I think we can all agree Mona is not from the dungeon, which is why I think Mona is a Una from a previous life, probably the one from the very beginning of the game, where we had a “dream”, right before being sucked into the game again.

She remembers us because we helped her get to the artifact, she falls in love, but we leave, and so she’s alone with the artifact, uses it, but was twisted by her wish to bring back her sister to the point where her sister doesn’t actually come back to life. Instead, the artifact twists her into a demon, giving her the power to create life, therefore technically bringing back her sister, albeit the cost of her humanity.

Lastly I do find it weird that literally no one is mentioned in the dungeon. I know plot wise there wouldn’t be a reason to mention them but Pamela saying she has sensed no one in a long time does sound weird. I like to think in my head, all former adventurers are the zombies/skeletons that we encounter on the final floor, and that any adventurers before us fell into the same traps as Una, but were all male and so died because the monsters had zero interests in males.

[gnosis]

with the short prologue and the normal ending i believed the time loop theory is the most likely one.
given Mona's affection to us she clearly loved us and look back at the normal ending. After MC left, Una still have a wish and Una didnt know that you cant bring back the dead, which she would likely do after MC left. And I actually think that the start of the game wasn't the start of the time loop as i recall MC said something about being sorry for leaving.

And in the happy ending, she said something along the lines of now you cant leave me.
Might have read into the lines too much but it is also very possible that Una will wish for her sister and MC to be with her. And from through out the story, the only thing that was could be powerful enough to take MC into another world is a wish

I hope there will be a sequel or dlc to explain all this and the succubus + vampire lady seems to have more to come too

[Everglow]

Originally posted by gnosis:

with the short prologue and the normal ending i believed the time loop theory is the most likely one.
given Mona's affection to us she clearly loved us and look back at the normal ending. After MC left, Una still have a wish and Una didnt know that you cant bring back the dead, which she would likely do after MC left. And I actually think that the start of the game wasn't the start of the time loop as i recall MC said something about being sorry for leaving.

And in the happy ending, she said something along the lines of now you cant leave me.
Might have read into the lines too much but it is also very possible that Una will wish for her sister and MC to be with her. And from through out the story, the only thing that was could be powerful enough to take MC into another world is a wish

I hope there will be a sequel or dlc to explain all this and the succubus + vampire lady seems to have more to come too

sadly i dont think una is smart enough to wish for both the man she loves and her sister... she is kinda dumb to be honest

[SoulFear]

What you are saying makes sense. As mona stated(sorry its not a word for word quote) "I have waited 1000 years for your return". And is just as infatuated and in love with you as una is(albeit una is more shy/subtle about it). Which leads me to believe that we had been here at one point in the past along with una doing the same thing. But upon returning to our world una became mona. I believe our MC during the encounter where mona said shes waited 1000 years had made a brief reply with "you're...." as if he knew her or was just briefly remembering her but only for a second. So the theory quite possibly checks out.

[shingekily]

Originally posted by gnosis:

with the short prologue and the normal ending i believed the time loop theory is the most likely one.
given Mona's affection to us she clearly loved us and look back at the normal ending. After MC left, Una still have a wish and Una didnt know that you cant bring back the dead, which she would likely do after MC left. And I actually think that the start of the game wasn't the start of the time loop as i recall MC said something about being sorry for leaving.

And in the happy ending, she said something along the lines of now you cant leave me.
Might have read into the lines too much but it is also very possible that Una will wish for her sister and MC to be with her. And from through out the story, the only thing that was could be powerful enough to take MC into another world is a wish

I hope there will be a sequel or dlc to explain all this and the succubus + vampire lady seems to have more to come too

I never thought about her maybe wishing we would come back. I think you might be right about the whole the start of the game isn’t the start of the loop. I also think that maybe, Mona used the wish on the reviving her sister, and when she realized that she couldn’t technically fully revive her but reproduce a demonized version, she then attempted to use her powers throughout the years to wish us back. Maybe a thousand years in their world is like literally 10 seconds for us. And maybe she stayed there in the dungeon knowing that we would try and wish our way back again, which is why she never used it again?

[Everglow]

Originally posted by shingekily:

Originally posted by gnosis:

with the short prologue and the normal ending i believed the time loop theory is the most likely one.
given Mona's affection to us she clearly loved us and look back at the normal ending. After MC left, Una still have a wish and Una didnt know that you cant bring back the dead, which she would likely do after MC left. And I actually think that the start of the game wasn't the start of the time loop as i recall MC said something about being sorry for leaving.

And in the happy ending, she said something along the lines of now you cant leave me.
Might have read into the lines too much but it is also very possible that Una will wish for her sister and MC to be with her. And from through out the story, the only thing that was could be powerful enough to take MC into another world is a wish

I hope there will be a sequel or dlc to explain all this and the succubus + vampire lady seems to have more to come too

I never thought about her maybe wishing we would come back. I think you might be right about the whole the start of the game isn’t the start of the loop. I also think that maybe, Mona used the wish on the reviving her sister, and when she realized that she couldn’t technically fully revive her but reproduce a demonized version, she then attempted to use her powers throughout the years to wish us back. Maybe a thousand years in their world is like literally 10 seconds for us. And maybe she stayed there in the dungeon knowing that we would try and wish our way back again, which is why she never used it again?

something just occured to me, you can only wish ONCE
if Mona is demonized Una, how did she get a second wish to bring you back if she wished for her sister back to life? IF she wished for both in a single wish she would of wished it IMMEDIATELY after you left then right? like why would she wait to wish for her sister? surely she wished for her sister right after you left

i fully support the theory that Mona is Una, but it doesnt add up to her also wishing for protag to come back, so something else wished/caused for you to return or something

if anything maybe just maybe una wished for her sister back to life, became demonized to mona with pamala. in the original cycle its possible pamala (her revived sister) wished to save her sister's humanity causing the loop, this would explain why pamala hints at the true ending and following you without real reason (like an influence of the artifact on loop pamalas minds)

[gnosis]

Originally posted by Everglow:

Originally posted by shingekily:

I never thought about her maybe wishing we would come back. I think you might be right about the whole the start of the game isn’t the start of the loop. I also think that maybe, Mona used the wish on the reviving her sister, and when she realized that she couldn’t technically fully revive her but reproduce a demonized version, she then attempted to use her powers throughout the years to wish us back. Maybe a thousand years in their world is like literally 10 seconds for us. And maybe she stayed there in the dungeon knowing that we would try and wish our way back again, which is why she never used it again?

something just occured to me, you can only wish ONCE
if Mona is demonized Una, how did she get a second wish to bring you back if she wished for her sister back to life? IF she wished for both in a single wish she would of wished it IMMEDIATELY after you left then right? like why would she wait to wish for her sister? surely she wished for her sister right after you left

i fully support the theory that Mona is Una, but it doesnt add up to her also wishing for protag to come back, so something else wished/caused for you to return or something



if anything maybe just maybe una wished for her sister back to life, became demonized to mona with pamala. in the original cycle its possible pamala (her revived sister) wished to save her sister's humanity causing the loop, this would explain why pamala hints at the true ending and following you without real reason (like an influence of the artifact on loop pamalas minds)

Fully support the time flow in different speed theory.

As to the wish, actually if she wish for both of us, she likely wont have specify the time frame. if Una or Mona wish for something along the lines of "everyone she love to be with her again" without specifying how or when. it can bring both her sister and MC back to her in the way we see in game. And it will fit the explanation of the wish may not come true in a way that the wisher thinks. Or maybe just because of the time speed difference by the time we got send out and suck back in 1000 years had already passed.

Some side note, Una never mention her parents or show any affection to them, like if someone will risk their live to save a younger sister surely they will do the same for her parents right? So what happen there?

Also it really depends on how you classify who can have a wish, i doubt a being created by a wish will get a wish.

actually something occur to me, Mona moved here, so whoever she is and whatever connection she have with MC, it didn't happen here. so there is likely more than one wish relic as the one in this dungeon relic was already there when Mona came. so perhaps she wish for her sister then she realised she want us too thus she track downed another wish relic to bring us back. but in this theory Mona probably wont be Una and probably is the girl in the prologue. And Una is just some random.

As for pamala, whoever Mona is, pamala as her sister and who have spend a whole 1000 years with her would likely know who we are anyway so her affection to us is understandable or perhaps Mona asked her to come to us and lead us Mona even.

But all this dont explain one thing if Mona really is the one who wish us back why did she not come to us like immediately and just sit and wait at the end of the dungeon.

[Everglow]

Originally posted by gnosis:

But all this dont explain one thing if Una really is the one who wish us back why did she not come to us like immediately and just sit and wait at the end of the dungeon.

thats also a valid point (im assuming you meant mona wished for us not Una)

if mona wished for us why was she not expecting us at all? why wasnt she just waiting at the entrance of the dungeon?

its very obvious mona knows something about the MC with her 3 story encounters, which would honestly point even more towards mona not being the one to bring MC to the world

and i dont think pamala would be considered "created by a wish" if you wish someone back to life it would be more like taking them away from the afterlife, like taking them away from a location... right? so i believe that she would be able to make a wish (granted that would all depend on how the Devs wish to portray the afterlife as a spiritual thing)

and isnt it weird that the normal ending will always make the MC leave to his world? but the true ending he stays? why is it he only chooses to stay if you tell Una she can never see her sister again? like even if he never told her shouldnt his choice to stay still be the same? so again i think he is being persuaded to "leave" and restart the cycle by the relic to save Una or something to grant someones wish

and the whole time theory would be a bit... odd? wouldnt that mean the world is naturally looping? being its always a different Una and Mona? like a Una 1000BC, Una 500BC, Una 10AD, ect? wouldnt a parallel universes make more sense?

[shingekily]

Originally posted by Everglow:

Originally posted by gnosis:

But all this dont explain one thing if Una really is the one who wish us back why did she not come to us like immediately and just sit and wait at the end of the dungeon.

thats also a valid point (im assuming you meant mona wished for us not Una)

if mona wished for us why was she not expecting us at all? why wasnt she just waiting at the entrance of the dungeon?

its very obvious mona knows something about the MC with her 3 story encounters, which would honestly point even more towards mona not being the one to bring MC to the world

and i dont think pamala would be considered "created by a wish" if you wish someone back to life it would be more like taking them away from the afterlife, like taking them away from a location... right? so i believe that she would be able to make a wish (granted that would all depend on how the Devs wish to portray the afterlife as a spiritual thing)

and isnt it weird that the normal ending will always make the MC leave to his world? but the true ending he stays? why is it he only chooses to stay if you tell Una she can never see her sister again? like even if he never told her shouldnt his choice to stay still be the same? so again i think he is being persuaded to "leave" and restart the cycle by the relic to save Una or something to grant someones wish

and the whole time theory would be a bit... odd? wouldnt that mean the world is naturally looping? being its always a different Una and Mona? like a Una 1000BC, Una 500BC, Una 10AD, ect? wouldnt a parallel universes make more sense?

The time theory does sound weird, which is why I’d like to say my theory is the loop theory, yet because of Mona being a demon with extraordinary powers, is able to twist the world. My new idea is that Mona didn’t wish for her sister back, become a demon, and then gain all these powers, but rather Mona wishing for the ability to see her loved ones again. If she uses that wish, I think the artifact gave her demon abilities, making her able to recreate her sister into Pamela and the power to bring us back, albeit we won’t remember her thanks to her new transformation.

Just thinking about it, what if she has time manipulation abilities? There’s no way she could know everything was going to happen unless she knew for a fact when it would happen. Remember, our character states we never see Una ever again, and we stay with Mona for eternity. I’m not sure how long that “eternity” is but as humans, I don’t think we can last that long lol. So maybe, she decelerated our concept of time, and so, has the ability to manipulate time since she can manipulate space, as what we could see from the final fight Mona was able to teleport all over, just like Una. Perhaps the demon powers enhanced former Una now Mona and gave her strengthened abilities, now being able to manipulate time and space. Using her new powers, she could have gone back in time. That would explain why there are two “Unas” and as to how Mona knew exactly when we would show up. It would also explain her showing up out of nowhere and kicking out the vampire and succubus queens.

Lastly, the ending to the happy ending felt off. Mona declares we won’t be leaving in all the other endings, either dies trying or forever keeps us in her world, but when we decide to stay with Una she just smiles and tells Pamela, “Let’s go.” Sounds quite anticlimactic. Which makes me think, perhaps her whole desire was that we’d stay with her, whether it was her present self or her past/our present Una? If we stay with past/present Una, perhaps that would change the way the game was looping and back in Mona’s actual present, she’d be a happy Una with us with her.

[superBlast]

Hm.... My take is definitely Mona is Una and Pamela is fake Uni.

After we leave her she wishes for her sister but it doesn't work. Affects are unknown.

The artifact is sentient and dislikes selfish wishes thus traps us in a time loop until we make a better wish as punishment. Demonizes Una for her wish, stripping her of her humanity as punishment.

Thousands of years pass and eventually the now Mona gains enough power to travel back in time and at some point creates Pamela in as close of an image to her sister as she can remember (hence why Pamela is a demon and not a human). She finds the dungeon where the story takes place in and takes over and waits for the eventual return of the MC and her Past self. Probably attempted to use the artifact again but I want to say the artifact is stronger than measly time travel and recognizes Mona as someone who already made a wish.

Uh... creation of Pamela probably happened before the time travel. As if she created Pamela then why didn't she just create a fake MC as well instead of bothering to time travel? Pamela probably wasn't exactly up to her standards and she knew a fake version of the MC wouldn't quite be the same either.

Also if she time traveled, why didn't she save her sister in the first place? I imagine it's either faulty memory (living a long time could probably do that to a person lol) or her goal of meeting the MC again was more important and saving her sister would prevent events of the story from ever happening. Actually the MC would be dead because of the Una wouldn't be there to save him from the Orc.

In the end, everything is solved when MC wishes to stay... pretty much wasting a wish honestly since if he wanted to stay, he could have... not even bothered. Since the wish wasn't really much of a wish, the artifact decided not to ♥♥♥♥ with them and give them a nice wedding instead (honestly the whole wedding thing is pretty weird if you think about it.)

Also the reason Mona is satisfied with this ending is the whole fight really jogged her memories and remembers this exact thing happening, only from the other side. That Una is her and that the MC getting together with her past self is good enough outcome... and also not dying.

[goreng]

This game has a pretty good story with enough room for speculation and all that good stuff. My speculative take on this game's story is as follows
The normal ending is part of the closed-timelike-looping portion of the story
The bad and good ending are loop-escapes.

Some things to note:
- The artifact is sentient
- The artifact only allows one wish per person
- The artifact seems to be virtuous (assumedly rewarding virtue and punishing a lack thereof)
- Wishing for death or revival is off limits (punishment is not described)
- Pamela seems to be unable (or does not want) to make a wish
- Mona seems to be unable (or does not want) to make a wish

- Mona does not own the dungeon
- Pamela life is tied to Mona's life
- Mona has been waiting for the MC for ~1000 years
- Mona knows MC's name
- (small fact but I think mona is the only character other than MC to call her breasts "tits" iirc. In an "event" scene, MC essentially teaches Una what "tits" are, as the word does not seem to exist.)
- Mona's clothing and hair is identical to Una's clothing and hair
(same neck jewel but with a corrupted color; Mona's clothes are in the same style as Una's underwear)
- Una was a nun and her inherent magic is assumed to be light/good based
- Mona is a "demon king" and her inherent magic is dark/evil based

- The only choices that influence the ending of the game are related to the wish Una will make
- Normal ending's (NE) loop continuation is assumed to be caused by Una's wish
- Bad ending's (BE) loop escape is not caused by Una's wish, but her inability to make a wish
- Good ending's (HE) loop escape is caused by not wishing the NE wish.

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I say that the game's story follows this loop and the 2 possible escapes from it:

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Her name is now Mona as she suddenly appears in this world, all alone and in an unfamiliar time, longing for her lost loved ones
 
Mona spends an unknown amount of time learning and practicing all sorts of magic; an unknown part of 1000 years is spent

In this time, she learns demonic magic to have power over life, death to solve her woes. 

It corrupts her, as she forgets much of who/how she was over the time, but never what she lost. She longs for it dearly

Eventually, she creates Pamela, a piece of her soul -- a fragment of someone she once lost. Pamela is now her beloved sister whom she cares for deeply and vows to protect from harm

She enters the succubus' dungeon, assumes control and makes it her home -- waiting

An unknown part of 1000 years passes

Una is an adventurer who lost her little sister in a strange dungeon

Una finds the MC in the forest and they help each other through the dungeon so Una may find her sister and the MC can get home using the artifact at the end

Throughout the trials of the dungeon, they fall deeply in love

Upon reaching the end of the dungeon, they face off against Mona and her sister Pamela in order to reach the artifact that she is seemingly guarding. 

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If MC and Una lose, then MC spends eternity with Mona -- Mona gets her wish and MC and Una suffer a tragic loss.
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Una and MC defeat Mona and Pamela and retrieve their prize. 

They begin to make their wishes.

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If MC wishes to go home, then Una will be left to unknowingly wish something unvirtuous.
(Una's possible wishes:
- Una may wish to find her sister and the artifact pulls a monkey's paw and sends her to eventually make pamela as a punishment but a somewhat fulfillment of her wish
- Una may wish to see MC again one day and the artifact pulls a monkey's paw and sets her up to eventually meet the MC again as a punishment but fulfillment of her wish
- Una most likely wished for some combination and receives her punishment and reward)
^ Return to start

If MC wishes to be with Una, then the loop is broken
v Continue
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Una and MC live happily ever after, having made virtuous choices and good sacrifices in the name of love. MC and Una gets their wish, Mona suffers another tragic loss. 

Interesting thing of note is that the only way the loop ends is if Mona/Una find themselves with the MC forever. My takeaway from the story is that maybe that's the essence of wishing to be with someone forever. Either repeat a moment forever, or spend forever after in another. Is it virtuous and without punishment to wish for a love that can never end?

[gnosis]

i actually have another theory, could it be MC's wish that created the loop. in the HE he wish to stay with Una forever, and like some one pointed out before, humans dont live forever. So i guess time loop happened so his wish can be granted?
So my other theory will be:
MC randomly enter the world for the first time met Una for the first time, NE , Una wished him back, HE , he lived with Una happily ever after, they aged and died, cycle start again.....