DBFZ looks infinitely better than this and it was $60 at release

[Shynchroshnizzle]

Characters look stiff and lifeless similar to jump force whenever they start yapping, no amount of new gen graphical effects can cover this up. Faces barely move it reminds me of the animatronic ride at disney with the singing bear with his ukulele.

I just dont understand how bandai namco can release fighting game after fighting game for what feels like forever and they all end up in the 5 dollar bin because its amateurish at best.

Not buying 70$ LAZY ASS GAMES. They are willing to raise the price but arent willing to raise to QUALITY. Going to plug in my ps2 and play dbz on there when this releases.

Edit: Its amazing how many of you tell me im a troll without even saying why.

[Spartan.117]

Publicado originalmente por Synchronizzle:

Publicado originalmente por Spartan.117:

who cares why are u even there? go play fighter Z nobody is asking you to come here and give your bad taste of this game.

Im here because i grew up playing budokai and raging blast, this game is a sequel to a game i own and i have been following since they teased it. Not that any of this is important to anything i have said. You have to try and understand who i am as a person so you can attack me because you think im attacking you over a game you are interested in.

I AM NOT INSULTING YOU. BANDAI NAMCO IS.

I remember when I DARED say jump force looked mid and everyone on that board said a lot of what you guys are saying now. Im sure this game will be far better than jump force, but it wont be a hit like DBFZ was or the original budokai games were. Bandai namco can do better and DBZ deserves better. You guys can call me a child all you want but its not me thats dishing out 70$ for this typical bandai namco shovelware.

even if they reuse some animation WHO CARES they can use those money to do something more instead OF REDOING every animation do you have any proof about reusing animation? anyway everyone does it why are you complaing for nothing?
No the one that is insulting us is you with this thread.

[Luwae]

Publicado originalmente por Synchronizzle:

Publicado originalmente por Spartan.117:

who cares why are u even there? go play fighter Z nobody is asking you to come here and give your bad taste of this game.

Im here because i grew up playing budokai and raging blast, this game is a sequel to a game i own and i have been following since they teased it. Not that any of this is important to anything i have said. You have to try and understand who i am as a person so you can attack me because you think im attacking you over a game you are interested in.

I AM NOT INSULTING YOU. BANDAI NAMCO IS.

I remember when I DARED say jump force looked mid and everyone on that board said a lot of what you guys are saying now. Im sure this game will be far better than jump force, but it wont be a hit like DBFZ was or the original budokai games were. Bandai namco can do better and DBZ deserves better. You guys can call me a child all you want but its not me thats dishing out 70$ for this typical bandai namco shovelware.

Dude, if you prefer budokai, that's your thing. But admit that it's just a preference for 2D, instead of trying to put Sparking down while it's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ great 3D game that looks astonishing.

And frankly, i don't know how you manage to like fighterz if you were a budokai player, cause imo fighterz is way less enjoyable than the budokais were. It looks good for sure, but it doesn't feel at all like playing a DB game, just playing a street fighter with DB skin on it.

[JtDarth]

Publicado originalmente por Synchronizzle:

Publicado originalmente por JtDarth:

'plenty of shots where the camera pans around' You mean in cutscenes, where the camera is still doing canned motions.
The difference in perspective is ABSOLUTELY relevant to the point, as is the fact that you very clearly have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to animation. DBFZ has just as much 'standing there stiffly while talking' going on.

Guess what? I bet if you tried to side-by-side DBFZ animations from the exact same camera angles you view the ones in Sparking Zero on, you would find that they are, in fact, objectively of similar quality when it comes to animation. What differs is the FRAMING provided by different camera angles.


You sound like one of those people who think having an Iphone makes you a photographer and would try to argue there is no need for an analog zoom because 'my iphone camera does 12x zoom as well'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTEh8Tfw4wg

Like i said if you compare them side by side DBFZ is objectively better. "You mean in cutscenes, where the camera is still doing canned motions." Yes IN CUT SCENES since that was specifically what was brought up. You tell me i have no idea what im talking about but dont offer any information at all.

Publicado originalmente por TornadoShun 🌪☀⭐⚡:

Not sure if the host of this topic is a kid or just some unstable person behind screen thinking that a 2D game is better than a 3D game which comparing a 2D game to a 3D game has no relations. Not noticing Dragon Ball Fighter Z was some upgrade from Dragon ball hyper dimension from the SNES.

We need to stop giving these people attention and let them sit in their corner. Matter of fact, just ban them. They serve the gaming community no purpose but bring nonsense on the behalf.

Im probably older than all of you i grew up watching dbz on my crt when i was 4. Im comparing a CGI rendered 2.5D DBZ fighter with a CGI rendered 3D DBZ fighter yes, if you cant figure out why then its because you dont want to. Banning me doesnt prove me wrong it proves youre COPING.

Ah, I see we are at that 'ignoring what was actually said' stage of things here. No, DBFZ is not 'objectively better'. We literally do not have Sparking zero in our hands to actually test things, with even the content creators who've gotten to play it early acknowledging that they weren't able to mess around freely, had no control of graphics settings, and were on older builds, not the release one. Then there is the simple, objective fact that a lot of what you claim to be 'objectively better' would in fact look WORSE when shot from the same camera angle as Sparking Zero's camera footage. Which was exactly what I said. Should we even need to talk about most the footage in your little video being from openly acknowledged IN-DEVELOPMENT versions, which more recent footage shows notable improvements from.
God forbid we talk about the literal video proof shown of just how BAD dbfz looks the moment you move the camera to an angle that isn't locked in from a specific direction. Almost like animating for a 2D space (IE, restricted framing and no potential for camera mobility out of your control) and for an interactable 3D one are TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS that make direct comparisons effectively pointless, since not only do neither share angles, the 2D focused one is going to look like hot garbage the moment you adjust the camera.

[Rambley The Raccoon]

Publicado originalmente por Synchronizzle:

Publicado originalmente por Spartan.117:

who cares why are u even there? go play fighter Z nobody is asking you to come here and give your bad taste of this game.

Im here because i grew up playing budokai and raging blast, this game is a sequel to a game i own and i have been following since they teased it. Not that any of this is important to anything i have said. You have to try and understand who i am as a person so you can attack me because you think im attacking you over a game you are interested in.

I AM NOT INSULTING YOU. BANDAI NAMCO IS.

I remember when I DARED say jump force looked mid and everyone on that board said a lot of what you guys are saying now. Im sure this game will be far better than jump force, but it wont be a hit like DBFZ was or the original budokai games were. Bandai namco can do better and DBZ deserves better. You guys can call me a child all you want but its not me thats dishing out 70$ for this typical bandai namco shovelware.

You're delusional if you think this game looks bad. It's been 6-7 years in development. The Dev is actively listening to the playerbase on what to change. The characters look great and the gameplay's solid from what we've seen.

Fair enough you have have a preference for Fighter Z, I'm not having a pop at you for that, but the fact that you're actively belittingly people on the forums cause they're looking forward to Sparking Zero and saying "It's shovel ware." If you really don't care for this game, why are you actively going onto forums on people who are excited for the game, and trying to annoy them?

If you prefer Fighter Z, cool. No one gives a ♥♥♥♥ in the long run if you aren't going to get the game. No one cares if you watched Dragon Ball when you were "4" like you said.

The fact you've got the gaul to even compare this to Jump Force just shows you're baiting.

Grow up.

[Kashra Fall]

Publicado originalmente por Synchronizzle:

Publicado originalmente por Ɲøƈ:

OP's favorite part of DBFZ is how the cutscenes are at like 10fps no matter what your settings are. Not robotic at all! Don't you DARE give that mf a jester.

Cutscenes are 60 fps, the animations are slowed down to make it... ACUALLY FEEL LIKE AN ANIME. You guys really need to cope hard with the facts im spitting. Animations in sparkling zero look like any other bandai namco anime fighter and again, the faces lack expresion and are stiff.

You guys have to lie and make stuff up about me like how "i havent played dbfz" I preordered that game and played it the whole first year AND third year.

Publicado originalmente por JtDarth:

Meanwhile, if you take a look at DBFZ, you find all kinds of tricks that they can abuse with their static camera angles for making the animation look good, that straight up DO NOT WORK with a mobile camera. To say noting of a lot of the issue actually just being lipflapping not being remotely synced for anything but japanese.
Oh, and the all important factor of DBFZ having launched with 21 characters, while this game is launching with 180+. That makes a BIG difference in just how much TLC can be given to each individual character, especially for things like 'personality' animation.

A lot of these complaints are literally people with ZERO understanding of the level of work involved in trying to meet their standards for what they consider to not be 'lazy'. It's usually fueled by comparisons against games that are often fundamentally not comparable.


You are basically trying to compare something like a standard street fighter game against smash, and acting like the number of characters doesn't effect the quality of individual characters on multiple levels, to say nothing of differing design goals.


Let's face it, BT and now Sparking Zero are Dragon Ball's Super Smash Bros games. They aren't the equivalent of a standard 2D fighter. They are actually MORE disparate owing to the 3D nature of the systems in comparison.

The game being 2D or 3D is IRRELEVANT to my point. The animations in DBFZ are objectively better when you compare them, ALSO BRO there are plenty of shots where the camera pans around so we are not only seeing a 2D perspective all the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tyeyODkxnQ&ab_channel=MatthewValencia
Fighter Z

https://youtu.be/T4a48B__gMs?t=21
Sparking zero 0:21 final kameha.

Granted, he is not blue in sparking zero when he does this (the demo didn't have blue.)

There is a lot more facial animation and character movement in general+the clothes+the hair and it doesn't look stiff at all. So I don't know where you're getting these "FighterZ" looks better, because it doesn't lol.

[Rococo Era]

Tbh if you actually believe that, its good you wont be buying it. Itll keep the community a little bit better.

[TornadoShun 🌪☀⭐⚡]

Publicado originalmente por Rococo Era:

Tbh if you actually believe that, its good you wont be buying it. Itll keep the community a little bit better.

Point given. I just don't see why these kids will go on the internet and say they're older when they're literally trolling the hell out of the community.

@Synchronizzle

First thing first to the host of this topic, Akira Toriyama is officially dead. We paid our respects to him, the creators and the publishers for helping him and his hard work. If you do not like what you see then don't come here spewing ridiculous messages and keep off this forum.

Second, you just spat on their project so that's a dishonorable (bringing shame or disgrace on someone or something) misconduct you have brought in. If you and your unhinge friends didn't came in with that nonsense, you would be freed from embarrassment. But you have to force yourself into the mud full of ♥♥♥♥. Hope you do enjoy that.

And third, live with the clown emoji and see you in 30 years. See how much greys you collected. You gonna need it.

[Spartan.117]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M2kFOzax0w

delete this thread mate is better for you. now go cry a river and go play fighterZ

[SuperSonicStudent]

Publicado originalmente por Synchronizzle:

Characters look stiff and lifeless similar to jump force whenever they start yapping, no amount of new gen graphical effects can cover this up. Faces barely move it reminds me of the animatronic ride at disney with the singing bear with his ukulele.

I just dont understand how bandai namco can release fighting game after fighting game for what feels like forever and they all end up in the 5 dollar bin because its amateurish at best.

Not buying 70$ LAZY ASS GAMES. They are willing to raise the price but arent willing to raise to QUALITY. Going to plug in my ps2 and play dbz on there when this :♥♥♥♥: releases.

Edit: Its amazing how many of you tell me im a troll without even saying why.

nonsense

DBZF is not even a dbz game its tekken with dbz skins. it has poor pathetic roster and the majority of character are dlc. and even with all the dlc's you beraly have 30 character as maximum + the small battle arena which you have no room to move and cant even fly and just spam combot. how can you compare it to a game that imitate dragon ball z fights realistically?

[Shynchroshnizzle]

Publicado originalmente por TornadoShun 🌪☀⭐⚡:

Publicado originalmente por Rococo Era:

Tbh if you actually believe that, its good you wont be buying it. Itll keep the community a little bit better.

Point given. I just don't see why these kids will go on the internet and say they're older when they're literally trolling the hell out of the community.

@Synchronizzle

First thing first to the host of this topic, Akira Toriyama is officially dead. We paid our respects to him, the creators and the publishers for helping him and his hard work. If you do not like what you see then don't come here spewing ridiculous messages and keep off this forum.

Second, you just spat on their project so that's a dishonorable (bringing shame or disgrace on someone or something) misconduct you have brought in. If you and your unhinge friends didn't came in with that nonsense, you would be freed from embarrassment. But you have to force yourself into the mud full of ♥♥♥♥. Hope you do enjoy that.

And third, live with the clown emoji and see you in 30 years. See how much greys you collected. You gonna need it.

Toriyama died so that means we should buy an overpriced lazy ass game with dogwater amateur animations that he didnt have anything to do with?

Do you guys even listen to yourself? The last comment told me DBFZ is a reskin of tekken. You guys have to be some chinese bots or something. You have actually nothing else to go off of but (must continue arguing!) and now you suggest criticism of this game is blasphemy against the deceased toriyama and pretend like this is the first time ive heard about it, you guys really need to stop making ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ up.

Give me a break you guys are blindly and irrationally defending this game. I didnt even say i wouldnt buy it, i just said i wont be spending 70$ on it. It will be heavily discounted before too long like every other bandai namco game.

Just crazy how some of you take criticism of a game you have absolutely nothing to do with so personally. They could do far better making the characters look and feel like they are out of an actual episode of DBZ and not made in garys mod, and no im not spitting on toriyamas grave, i already said dragon ball deserves better, and the dead toriyama deserves better, this is the insult.

[Spartan.117]

Publicado originalmente por Synchronizzle:

Publicado originalmente por TornadoShun 🌪☀⭐⚡:

Point given. I just don't see why these kids will go on the internet and say they're older when they're literally trolling the hell out of the community.

@Synchronizzle

First thing first to the host of this topic, Akira Toriyama is officially dead. We paid our respects to him, the creators and the publishers for helping him and his hard work. If you do not like what you see then don't come here spewing ridiculous messages and keep off this forum.

Second, you just spat on their project so that's a dishonorable (bringing shame or disgrace on someone or something) misconduct you have brought in. If you and your unhinge friends didn't came in with that nonsense, you would be freed from embarrassment. But you have to force yourself into the mud full of ♥♥♥♥. Hope you do enjoy that.

And third, live with the clown emoji and see you in 30 years. See how much greys you collected. You gonna need it.

Toriyama died so that means we should buy an overpriced lazy ass game with dogwater amateur animations that he didnt have anything to do with?

Do you guys even listen to yourself? The last comment told me DBFZ is a reskin of tekken. You guys have to be some chinese bots or something. You have actually nothing else to go off of but (must continue arguing!) and now you suggest criticism of this game is blasphemy against the deceased toriyama and pretend like this is the first time ive heard about it, you guys really need to stop making ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ up.

Give me a break you guys are blindly and irrationally defending this game. I didnt even say i wouldnt buy it, i just said i wont be spending 70$ on it. It will be heavily discounted before too long like every other bandai namco game.

Just crazy how some of you take criticism of a game you have absolutely nothing to do with so personally. They could do far better making the characters look and feel like they are out of an actual episode of DBZ and not made in garys mod, and no im not spitting on toriyamas grave.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whRe96MAE60

why you still going? just leave haha you would make yourself look better but not you must insist alright

[Shynchroshnizzle]

Publicado originalmente por Spartan.117:

Publicado originalmente por Synchronizzle:

Toriyama died so that means we should buy an overpriced lazy ass game with dogwater amateur animations that he didnt have anything to do with?

Do you guys even listen to yourself? The last comment told me DBFZ is a reskin of tekken. You guys have to be some chinese bots or something. You have actually nothing else to go off of but (must continue arguing!) and now you suggest criticism of this game is blasphemy against the deceased toriyama and pretend like this is the first time ive heard about it, you guys really need to stop making ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ up.

Give me a break you guys are blindly and irrationally defending this game. I didnt even say i wouldnt buy it, i just said i wont be spending 70$ on it. It will be heavily discounted before too long like every other bandai namco game.

Just crazy how some of you take criticism of a game you have absolutely nothing to do with so personally. They could do far better making the characters look and feel like they are out of an actual episode of DBZ and not made in garys mod, and no im not spitting on toriyamas grave.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whRe96MAE60

why you still going? just leave haha you would make yourself look better but not you must insist alright

How is using modding tools to break the game supposed to prove anything? You are just being disingenuous. If you actually play the game it doesnt look anything like this.

https://youtu.be/kZsboyfs-L4?si=ML77--XGl083CFVX

[Kashra Fall]

Publicado originalmente por Synchronizzle:

Publicado originalmente por Spartan.117:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whRe96MAE60

why you still going? just leave haha you would make yourself look better but not you must insist alright

How is using modding tools to break the game supposed to prove anything? You are just being disingenuous. If you actually play the game it doesnt look anything like this.

https://youtu.be/kZsboyfs-L4?si=ML77--XGl083CFVX

The point they are trying to make, is you're saying one looks better than the other, but the difference is, this. The Sparking Zero devs had to make THE ENTIRE MODEL visible at all times due to the 3d nature of the game. This includes physics, lighting, shadows, reflections and animation quality. The fighterZ method allows you to hide specific things, thus making the job easier to showcase, but harder to put together and makes it look a little "Framey" in movement. Yes, they both look good, but you can't compare a game that came out in 2018 on Ark's system to one on new tech of UE5, it's just not fair lol.

[Velber]

OP must be on drugs

[Vault Traveler]

Jokes on you I am here for the gameplay.