technically Vegeta should always been stronger than Goku

[Zenkaiboost Kekkei Genkai]

Vegeta is 5-6 year older than Goku, when Goku was merely an infant Vegeta was already training with Saibaimen and utilizing advanced ki combat , let that sink in

the idea that Goku forever surpassed Vegeta off one session of gravity training is completely ridiculous , Vegeta has too much of a head start, kid Vegeta is already more powerful than anyone in the DB saga at the time kid Goku was merely fooling around with that stick

there's no way in blue hell Goku should ever surpass Vegeta because the head start gab between them and their power levels is just too big , never mind that Vegetaa's power level at birth is already infinitely bigger than Goku's

Goku reaching the gab between them and surpassing Vegeta off one gravity training session is the most ridiculous protagonist privilege writing in anime manga , this is like kid Naruto surpassing teenage Sasuke in a matter of 3 months, absolute nonsense bruh

[Luwae]

Origineel geplaatst door Legendrake:

Origineel geplaatst door Luwae:

Pride is the biggest and main downfall of Vegeta. The real difference between both, and the reason Goku is always ahead, is the teachers Goku have.

Vegeta’s pride always prevents him from learning techniques made by other people, to learn things from other people. What allowed Goku to be ahead of Vegeta before they reached Ssj, was the kaioken, for example.

After reaching ssj, if Vegeta had shared with Goku about how to go beyond ssj, he probably would have been stronger than gohan.

Before buu’s saga, the main difference in training between both of them is that Goku was under Kaio’s training.

And the moment both are starting to train under Whis, the gap is no longer really there.

Without his pride, he would probably be stronger than Goku. As we could saw during Moro’s arc, when he went to planet Yardrat, it only took him days to learn what took month to Goku to learn.

pride has nothing to do with power levels because learned techniques are not the same thing as power level, we learn this early on when Vegeta first meets Goku and Goku admitting after a few moments into the fight that Vegeta's speed and technique are superior


Goku manages to gain the upper hand only for a short while thanks to the effects of Kayoken , but after the Kayoken runs out Vegeta is still able to fight even after taking a beating from Kayoken and damage from a genki dama , while Goku remains incapacitated for the rest of the fight suffering from the side effects of this technique

here Vegeta is proven to be more durable and more powerful than Goku in every way, and we learn what power levels are and the difference power levels make, Vegeta being so durable thanks to his higher power levels that Krillin wonders if he's immortal after the genki dama failed to kill him

Vegeta being prideful and arrogant is a trait all members of the warrior alien race share it's not unique to Vegeta , but it has nothing to do with Vegeta falling behind Goku

It has everything to do with it. And Goku being stronger than Vegeta on namek make sense. Aside from training under high gravity for the whole trip, he also has the kaioken. Which means he can multiply his power level, which is already considerably higher than it was on earth. Previous from that, the only real difference between Goku and Vegeta was that Vegeta fought on multiple planets, with different gravity, already had a higher power level at birth so didn't really have to put any effort into it aside from fighting. If you can't understand any of this, i don't get why you ask the question in the first place. If the whole point is complaining, just write it to yourself on a word document, it will be way more efficient.

[Yami Houkai]

Origineel geplaatst door Legendrake:

DBS is garbage and irrelevant, which is way that's such a stupid explanation , stress has nothing to do with how power level works in this manga when it comes to their particular race

there is simply no valid explanation for Goku surpassing the head start of Vegeta

There is though, despite of head start gap, Vegeta training alone without any Master. While Goku have Master in here and there, Goku get faster growth because of it. Also, remember DBZ explanation about Saiyan, they got power boost everytime they passed near death situation. Goku have experienced it far more than Vegeta.

And dude, no matter how much you hate it, there is no need to insult DBS as garbage. Thats only making you looks like a garbage itself.

[Zenkaiboost Kekkei Genkai]

Origineel geplaatst door Luwae:

Origineel geplaatst door Legendrake:

pride has nothing to do with power levels because learned techniques are not the same thing as power level, we learn this early on when Vegeta first meets Goku and Goku admitting after a few moments into the fight that Vegeta's speed and technique are superior


Goku manages to gain the upper hand only for a short while thanks to the effects of Kayoken , but after the Kayoken runs out Vegeta is still able to fight even after taking a beating from Kayoken and damage from a genki dama , while Goku remains incapacitated for the rest of the fight suffering from the side effects of this technique

here Vegeta is proven to be more durable and more powerful than Goku in every way, and we learn what power levels are and the difference power levels make, Vegeta being so durable thanks to his higher power levels that Krillin wonders if he's immortal after the genki dama failed to kill him

Vegeta being prideful and arrogant is a trait all members of the warrior alien race share it's not unique to Vegeta , but it has nothing to do with Vegeta falling behind Goku

It has everything to do with it. And Goku being stronger than Vegeta on namek make sense. Aside from training under high gravity for the whole trip, he also has the kaioken. Which means he can multiply his power level, which is already considerably higher than it was on earth. Previous from that, the only real difference between Goku and Vegeta was that Vegeta fought on multiple planets, with different gravity, already had a higher power level at birth so didn't really have to put any effort into it aside from fighting. If you can't understand any of this, i don't get why you ask the question in the first place. If the whole point is complaining, just write it to yourself on a word document, it will be way more efficient.

nah i don't agree , i have already addressed all the points you just made i won't repeat myself

[Luwae]

Origineel geplaatst door Legendrake:

Origineel geplaatst door Luwae:

It has everything to do with it. And Goku being stronger than Vegeta on namek make sense. Aside from training under high gravity for the whole trip, he also has the kaioken. Which means he can multiply his power level, which is already considerably higher than it was on earth. Previous from that, the only real difference between Goku and Vegeta was that Vegeta fought on multiple planets, with different gravity, already had a higher power level at birth so didn't really have to put any effort into it aside from fighting. If you can't understand any of this, i don't get why you ask the question in the first place. If the whole point is complaining, just write it to yourself on a word document, it will be way more efficient.

nah i don't agree , i have already addressed all the points you just made i won't repeat myself

You're only point is based on the very first time we see Vegeta, while we have a lifetime of things to see after that. You didn't adress anything, you just prove that your view is narrowed, and that you lack serious knowledge about dragon ball.

[Sgt.Apples]

Origineel geplaatst door Legendrake:

losing brain cells reading these comments i'm done here

sorry Goku fanboys but Vegeta has logic by his side , Goku being stronger is illogical and pure Toryiama bias

watch the show, also goku does not have the mcdonalds arches as a hairline which makes him better

[SpenserAtlas]

Origineel geplaatst door Yes, I have a Mic.:

Origineel geplaatst door Legendrake:

aren't you the same guy who got banned a while ago ? you have the same passive aggressive flame baiting energy did you just switch accounts to evade the ban ? lol that's against the rules you now

do you want another ban or what ? how many troll accounts do you have wtf

0 level private profile, it's you again huh .. jesus you are sad

Why would I bother with that? I never say anything ban worthy.
People might not *like* my opinion but thats different from it being against the rules.

Origineel geplaatst door SpenserAtlas:

if you don't like this game why would you keep posting and commenting stuff here by the way? just wondering, i believe you're ACTUALLY going to buy and play the game

Dude, have you seen the responses I get just for expressing my opinion?
Some of these people are so highly strung and obsessively invested that even the most cursory criticism of their childrens cartoon is like a D-Day style assault on their egos.

Why wouldn't I keep doing that? Theres no rules against it and its pure gold.

You make no sense, that's why you get the responses you get, "this looks really bad", no evidence provided and just repetitive statements, statements that everyone complain about and have been refuted already, and the responses you give are childish, "some of these people are so obsessively invested yip yap" this isn't criticism anymore you're just trolling lol

[SpenserAtlas]

Origineel geplaatst door Legendrake:

losing brain cells reading these comments i'm done here

sorry Goku fanboys but Vegeta has logic by his side , Goku being stronger is illogical and pure Toryiama bias

Vegeta advanced training and fighting Saibamen will not surpass training with a Kai for days bro

[Yes, I have a Mic.]

Origineel geplaatst door SpenserAtlas:

Origineel geplaatst door Yes, I have a Mic.:

Why would I bother with that? I never say anything ban worthy.
People might not *like* my opinion but thats different from it being against the rules.






Dude, have you seen the responses I get just for expressing my opinion?
Some of these people are so highly strung and obsessively invested that even the most cursory criticism of their childrens cartoon is like a D-Day style assault on their egos.

Why wouldn't I keep doing that? Theres no rules against it and its pure gold.

You make no sense, that's why you get the responses you get, "this looks really bad", no evidence provided and just repetitive statements, statements that everyone complain about and have been refuted already, and the responses you give are childish, "some of these people are so obsessively invested yip yap" this isn't criticism anymore you're just trolling lol:Sara_left:

I have evidence for that statement.
Its called the trailer. Watch it and you'll find your lips mouthing words involuntarily.
"This looks really bad."

[Papa yons]

It all comes down to quality. Goku doesn't just train. He knows how to train. Vegeta was alone and with no one to guide him, while Goku trained with different masters on earth, all of them wiser and stronger than him. He puts their teachings into practice, and so was more efficient at it than vegeta (Until Super at least).

[Zenkaiboost Kekkei Genkai]

man again with this nonsense, Vegeta had better training he was training with enhanced Saibaimen while Goku was still sucking on his thumb as a baby, there's no way Goku should be able to catch up to Vegeta's advanced training with access to advanced alien technology in a matter of few episodes , stop the copium

kid Goku didn't even know what a ki blast is and he couldn't even fly while kid Vegeta was conquering planets and was already familliar with mid air fighting and ki combat techniques

Goku is just blessed with protagonist privilege that's all,

kid Vegeta is already stronger than everyone on earth at the time Goku is a kid , let that sink in

you people just don't realize how much head start Vegeta has over Goku

[Raiden - In Flames 🎵]

not too much into the lore of things other than enjoying the games but isn't goku a late bloomer at first vegeta was stronger than goku then he turned into the mythical super saiyan which surpassed vegeta in terms of strenght and ever since vegeta has been going hard trying to keep up and break limits faster than goku also vegeta can't really tap into the kind of power he's trying to get without sacrifice or people dying that he cares about around him anyways.

feel free to correct me.

[SpenserAtlas]

Origineel geplaatst door Legendrake:

man again with this nonsense, Vegeta had better training he was training with enhanced Saibaimen while Goku was still sucking on his thumb as a baby, there's no way Goku should be able to catch up to Vegeta's advanced training with access to advanced alien technology in a matter of few episodes , stop the copium

Goku is just blessed with protagonist privilege that's all

You know you should also understand you have the Vegeta perspective because actually Vegeta is usually stronger than Goku at all times, but Goku just keeps WINNING, and that's the problem with Vegeta, he keeps losing, not necessarily because he's not the protagonist but because there are many things that leads him to failure.

Vegeta was stronger than Goku since Saiyan Saga, this is proven because he defeated him in base form, Oozaru and he was still standing even though Goku was on the ground, while Krillin, Gohan and Yajirobe were fighting him off.

Even though Vegeta trained in the hyperbolic time chamber for longer time, he didn't train PROPERLY, and the same thing happened in the gravity room, he could also never understand why Goku and Gohan were in SSJ form so casually during the day.

Goku has very much surpassed Vegeta in the Buu saga because he spent a LOT of time training in the other world, and while Vegeta also got stronger, he was bound by not only the limited technology, time and stamina, but also because he never had a training partner or master or infinite stamina (only in the other world) before like Goku did.

Vegeta surpassed Goku in BoG when he was beating Beerus up in his SSJ2 form.

Vegeta and Goku are currently equals, but VERY different, it's too hard to say who's stronger when UI and UE are too different, only useful in different situations, in my opinion.

Here's the thing, while Vegeta has shown to be stronger multiple times, Goku not only surpassed him but he also WON, he almost always won, against Frieza, against Buu, against Golden Frieza, against Hit, against Jiren, against Moro, and against Gas. All of this happened because Vegeta isn't a martial artist prodigy like Goku is, Goku always figured out a way of winning other than strength alone.

[Zenkaiboost Kekkei Genkai]

i don't care what happens in Super , i don't consider Super as a true sequel to DBZ,

Super is just a forced sequel that makes little to no sense next to the events of Z and GT,

Super is more like a corny alternate reality to the events of Z, they bring back Freeza and reveal the existence of "gods of destruction'..... COOOORNYYYYY

Super is literally some ♥♥♥♥ they made up in the last minute so they can have an excuse to keep producing episodes with adventures of Goku and the Z gang and keep selling new merchandise off the legacy of Z

[SpenserAtlas]

Origineel geplaatst door Legendrake:

i don't care what happens in Super , i don't consider Super as a true sequel to DBZ,

Super is just a forced sequel that makes little to no sense next to the events of Z and GT,

Super is more like a corny alternate reality to the events of Z, they bring back Freeza and reveal the existence of "gods of destruction'..... COOOORNYYYYY

This is a coping mechanism lol, Super is literally what happens before the VERY VERY end of Z, I'm not talking about when they killed kid Buu, I'm talking about the time Goku fought Uub in the tournament, that happened right after Super released, all the events you see in Super happened after killing Kid Buu, and it's not that corny, they made an interesting concept of Mytology and also made the hierarchy of the Gods more senseful, it makes sense because we see it in a very simplified way and we gotta thank Akira Toriyama for that. It's you who doesn't enjoy it.

[Zenkaiboost Kekkei Genkai]

no dude, Super doesn't exist in the Z universe sorry, i know you don't want to hear it because you love blue hair Goku , but there's never any mention of gods of destruction in Z, King Kai never mentions them , and Vegeta never mentions the existence of a purple egyptian rabbit god showing up to King Vegeta and flexing on him

stop the copium, the existence of Super makes no sense