What is your opinion of Dragon Ball GT?

[Burnouts3s3]

I’m hearing different things from different fans regarding Dragon Ball GT. I would like to know what your opinion of it is. Would you like to see characters from Dragon Ball GT make an appearance in this game?

[Vic Viper]

Is Vegeta getting to SSJ4 thanks to Bulma's help through a machine that much of a betrayal of his character when he already underwent a shift towards the end of the Buu arc in terms of swallowing his pride? And it's been so many years since.

On the contrary, in what I watched from Super, it felt they sorta hit the reset button on some aspects. While the machine boosting is perhaps a little out there I'll grant, it's still in line with stuff like being the one suggesting fusion to Goku, which I think is welcome growth for a character that's been living for roughly 30 years since his appearance in the Saiyan Saga.

[Luwae]

Postat inițial de AgenteZastin:

Postat inițial de Luwae:

That's the anime. Manga doesn't do that. And if you look at Z anime, it does ♥♥♥♥ too compared to the manga.

Just read the super manga, and come again talk to me about GT being better.

yeah the manga it's way better, there caulifla gets SSJ because it was easy 💀

It's not because Goku and Vegeta had trouble to get it that everyone has to get the same. The point of introducing Caulifla is to show another kind of genius.

She is one of the strongest saiyan on her planet, her base power is probably way higher than Goku was at the time. I'm not surprised she manage to transform easily once she knew it exist. Gohan could do it at 9 with only a few days of focus training on it despite not having a fighting spirit, Trunks at 8, and Goten at 7, because they all knew it was possible. Took Vegeta only three years of training to reach it only knowing it was possible, without even knowing how because of his pride.

That a saiyan who live in a different kind of society than Goku and Vegeta come from can do it at 17, that doesn't surprise me at all.

[AgenteZastin]

Postat inițial de Luwae:

Postat inițial de AgenteZastin:

yeah the manga it's way better, there caulifla gets SSJ because it was easy 💀

It's not because Goku and Vegeta had trouble to get it that everyone has to get the same. The point of introducing Caulifla is to show another kind of genius.

She is one of the strongest saiyan on her planet, her base power is probably way higher than Goku was at the time. I'm not surprised she manage to transform easily once she knew it exist. Gohan could do it at 9 with only a few days of focus training on it despite not having a fighting spirit, Trunks at 8, and Goten at 7, because they all knew it was possible. Took Vegeta only three years of training to reach it only knowing it was possible, without even knowing how because of his pride.

That a saiyan who live in a different kind of society than Goku and Vegeta come from can do it at 17, that doesn't surprise me at all.

Yeah, the power scaling went so crazy with SSB that now they must apply the GENIUS excuse to every character. Doesn't make sense she didn't have it earlier, she had to know it existed to transform. Vegeta didn't get SSJ because he knew it existed, he still had to train. Toriyama said that they need 'S' cells, and 'S' cells are increased by training. Goten and Trunks must herediate 'S' cells, Goten and Trunks didn't even know what a SSJ was, they just heredate 'S' cells that's why doesn't make sense that Caulifla didn't have it until she knew about its existence.
Are you really gonna argue every mistake of DBS? Just accept Zalama and U6 Saiyans are pure nonsense that spits on the series, you couldn't even say anything about Monite's Dragon Balls.
The unique mistake you've shown me of GT was saying the incorrect name of an attack, while DBS spits on Dragon balls, spits on power scaling, spits on Super Saiyans, spits on Frieza, and most part of the story is pure nonsense.

[Luwae]

Postat inițial de AgenteZastin:

Postat inițial de Luwae:

It's not because Goku and Vegeta had trouble to get it that everyone has to get the same. The point of introducing Caulifla is to show another kind of genius.

She is one of the strongest saiyan on her planet, her base power is probably way higher than Goku was at the time. I'm not surprised she manage to transform easily once she knew it exist. Gohan could do it at 9 with only a few days of focus training on it despite not having a fighting spirit, Trunks at 8, and Goten at 7, because they all knew it was possible. Took Vegeta only three years of training to reach it only knowing it was possible, without even knowing how because of his pride.

That a saiyan who live in a different kind of society than Goku and Vegeta come from can do it at 17, that doesn't surprise me at all.

Yeah, the power scaling went so crazy with SSB that now they must apply the GENIUS excuse to every character. Doesn't make sense she didn't have it earlier, she had to know it existed to transform. Vegeta didn't get SSJ because he knew it existed, he still had to train. Toriyama said that they need 'S' cells, and 'S' cells are increased by training. Goten and Trunks must herediate 'S' cells, Goten and Trunks didn't even know what a SSJ was, they just heredate 'S' cells that's why doesn't make sense that Caulifla didn't have it until she knew about its existence.
Are you really gonna argue every mistake of DBS? Just accept Zalama and U6 Saiyans are pure nonsense that spits on the series, you couldn't even say anything about Monite's Dragon Balls

No dude. Do you think Goku on namek saga is the strongest saiyan that ever existed? And yet there is only one other ssj on history previous to him, because he was the only one to have a gentle soul despite being a saiyan.

If all the saiyans before being wiped out knew that ssj exist and that all you need is to lose your calm more than usual, there would have been a lot of them to find a way or another to reach it. That's pure logic, ssj isn't that hard to achieve, it's just that if you don't know how to do it, it's nearly impossible for someone raised to fight for war and losing comrades since childhood to lose his mind to that point. Fact is you're just trying to find a reason to hate it when there is none.

And the thing i showed you from GT is just cause i stumbled upon it. There is hundreds of reason to dislike GT, as proven by the huge majority of DB fans who dislike it. Just as there are hundreds of reason to dislike DBS anime, because it did ♥♥♥♥ both in story wise and animation, compared to the manga.

[Vic Viper]

The unique mistake you've shown me of GT was saying the incorrect name of an attack,

Reminds me of a Z movie mistake that they did too but worse, not a name change, but instead Trunks uses a Kamehameha in the Bio-Broly movie.

Might be my French DNA with stuff like Gohan calling "Masenko" the "Kamehame" instead and then "RAYON MAGIIIIIQUE" in another instance having me laughing & in tears, but Final Flash/Big Bang Attack swapped around once just sounds cute to me.

[Luwae]

But if you want me to tell you why GT is poorly done and a shame to dragon ball, i can just quote you various answers, for your own pleasure.

"It's stupid and pointless
Full of plot holes, full of pointless plots that doesn't go anywhere, full of dissapointing fights, full of ♥♥♥♥.

SSJ4 with pink hair. Let that sink for a moment for you.

Goku turns into a big ass GOLDEN ape, and then turns into a Pink monkey guy. With pants, apparently.

Clothes miraclously appear in GT.

Those forced, tear jerking flashbacks moments with Pan.

Also, WHO THE ♥♥♥♥♥ KEEPS BLACK STAR DRAGON BALLS IN A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ BASKET THAT SOMEONE CAN FIND BY ACCIDENT AND THEN IF IT MAKES A WISH, THE PLANET BLOWS UP?

Oh oh, better question, why the ♥♥♥♥ does Picollo have to die again? To destroy the Black star dragon balls, sure. But here's the thing, don't do that, one more thing, did they forgot about the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Namek dragon balls? Why don't ask Kibito to go to Namek (HE CAN TELEPORT), wish for the people in Earth to be teleported to a safe planet before the planet goes boom, then wish earth back when it goes boom, then wish for the people to go back to earth, SIMPLE!

One more thing, why the ♥♥♥♥ didn't they wish for Goku to go back to his normal form? I mean, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, they are constantly getting attacked by aliens and ♥♥♥♥, and people is like "hehe, goku is a kid again, so funny".

Baby's saga was cool though. Wish it had more backstory about the Tuffles.

Also, i don't like that Vegeta changed his ways so much, like, in the Buu saga, he let Babidi to take control of him, sure, but he despised that idea.

In GT, he was like, "brb, 5 mins, gonna turn SSJ4 #swag", i mean, WTF!, he was so proud and ♥♥♥♥, and in GT is like he doesn't give a ♥♥♥♥ anymore, he will take any power up, boost, or anything like candy. I don't like that. That's so out of character it hurts"

"Most people dislike GT for a couple of resaons: The plot-holes, the characters being watered down, not acting like themselves, the Black Star Dragon Ball Saga, Kid Goku, Pan, fight scenes being lackluster, characters randomly getting there clothes back, Super Saiyan 4 being black and pink even though Super Oozaru and all the other Super Saiyan forms where gold and a bunch of other things."

"It's because it had HUGE potential yet wasted so much of it. Not to mention the horrible TOEI logic (Dragon Ball as a whole isn't exactly the most coherent story to begin with but Gt is on a whole another level), and Pan and Giru are annoying as ♥♥♥♥."

Even the bot from Quora can answer you :

"Dragon Ball GT is a controversial installment in the Dragon Ball franchise that was not created by the original manga author Akira Toriyama. Some of the common criticisms of Dragon Ball GT include:

Significant deviations from the established Dragon Ball storyline and character arcs. Many fans felt the plot and character developments did not flow naturally from the previous Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z series.
Unpopular character designs and transformations, such as Super Saiyan 4, which some found unappealing compared to the classic Super Saiyan transformations.
Perceived poor pacing, with some story arcs feeling drawn out or uninteresting. Certain plot points were seen as repetitive or lacking in creativity compared to prior Dragon Ball stories.
The decision to de-age Goku into a child, which many fans felt was an unnecessary gimmick that disrupted the natural progression of the characters.
Lack of involvement from original creator Akira Toriyama, leading to concerns that the series lacked his unique vision and creative touch.
Overall, while Dragon Ball GT has a dedicated fanbase, its major departures from the core Dragon Ball formula and perceived missteps in storytelling and character development led to widespread criticism and disillusionment among a large portion of the franchise's long-standing fans. The series is often regarded as the weakest or most disappointing entry in the greater Dragon Ball saga."

Now, are you that blind that you'll ignore all of these, all being fairly right? I've watched GT too, i know the good and the bad. I personally liked the design, even if it doesn't match the characters and that the choice of clothes are really terrible. Hence why i think that Heroes did better with the material than GT did. But it's still the worst of official stuff made for Dragon Ball.

[AgenteZastin]

Postat inițial de Luwae:

Postat inițial de AgenteZastin:

Yeah, the power scaling went so crazy with SSB that now they must apply the GENIUS excuse to every character. Doesn't make sense she didn't have it earlier, she had to know it existed to transform. Vegeta didn't get SSJ because he knew it existed, he still had to train. Toriyama said that they need 'S' cells, and 'S' cells are increased by training. Goten and Trunks must herediate 'S' cells, Goten and Trunks didn't even know what a SSJ was, they just heredate 'S' cells that's why doesn't make sense that Caulifla didn't have it until she knew about its existence.
Are you really gonna argue every mistake of DBS? Just accept Zalama and U6 Saiyans are pure nonsense that spits on the series, you couldn't even say anything about Monite's Dragon Balls

No dude. Do you think Goku on namek saga is the strongest saiyan that ever existed? And yet there is only one other ssj on history previous to him, because he was the only one to have a gentle soul despite being a saiyan.

If all the saiyans before being wiped out knew that ssj exist and that all you need is to lose your calm more than usual, there would have been a lot of them to find a way or another to reach it. That's pure logic, ssj isn't that hard to achieve, it's just that if you don't know how to do it, it's nearly impossible for someone raised to fight for war and losing comrades since childhood to lose his mind to that point. Fact is you're just trying to find a reason to hate it when there is none.

And the thing i showed you from GT is just cause i stumbled upon it. There is hundreds of reason to dislike GT, as proven by the huge majority of DB fans who dislike it. Just as there are hundreds of reason to dislike DBS anime, because it did ♥♥♥♥ both in story wise and animation, compared to the manga.

Vegeta's heart wasn't gentle when he achieved SSJ, he had to train, Namek Goku should be one of the strongest because he got SSJ, of course, the first SSJ should be as strong as Goku or even more. The point is that you need a certain power level/ 'S' cells to achieve SSJ, doesn't matter to have a gentle heart, Goten and Trunks already had that level so that's why they have it, even without knowing what it was. So if Caulifla already had that level she should achieved SSJ earlier the same way Goten and Trunks did.
Saying GT has a lot of mistakes and not saying one worse than all the ones on DBS I've already told you means nothing to me.

[AmathystKR]

Postat inițial de AgenteZastin:

Postat inițial de AmathystKR:

Both GT and Z had their flaws but there's no way in hell GT is better than Super.

Vegeta threw away his pride and used a machine to transform in SSJ4. Pan is annoying.

Super gave us the Goku Black arc which was amazing, it was better written in the manga, but I liked the anime more, and the tournament of power was a BLAST, literally broke the internet, and EVERYONE came back to help instead of being useless like in GT, it's all about Goku in GT, but in Super you had Piccolo, you had Android 17, Android 18, Krillin had potential but they threw them away, Tien Shin Han was AMAZING, GOLDEN FREEZA TEAMING UP WITH GOKU??? That's some beautiful stuff right there.

Now talking about manga, Super had Moro and Granolah arc, and they had included Goku completely mastering Ultra Instinct, and Bardock flashbacks, Vegeta gains protagonism and UE, and shows how much he repents for other people's sins but knows he isn't responsible for it, and Goku now has his own UI.

GT only had 2 good ideas, SSJ4 and the dragons, that's it, at most, Baby Vegeta was a nice arc, but that's all it is. Legit pisses me off people actually think that GT is the goat while Super is "garbage" when it's the complete opposite.

The machine was only to replace the tail, if Vegeta had a tail he wouldn't need it. Your body must get enough 'S' Cells to transform. Vegeta should be proud he was able to get SSJ4. Now in DBS let's take a look at Vegeta's pride. DBS Goku's low IQ is more annoying than Pan 😂.
Bro, Black it's Turles but pink, Zamasu is Supreme Kai but evil, it ends all with Zeno erasing the whole saga. Now Top is a good one, but a good one after 3 mediocre and a mid one means nothing.
Moro is good, despite a few things like copying Sasuke's Susano. And Granolah is from a race attacked by Saiyans and wants revenge....*cough*Baby*Cough*.
Gas dies by reducing his lifespan. Wishing for power... man I don't know if that is worse than Beast Gohan or U6 Saiyans.
Also making DBZ's best Villian a good guy hurt me. And it's dumb how Goku teams up with the guy who destroyed his home planet, killed his fathers, best friend, and destroyed Earth.
In GT they are all old and quit fighting like at DBS in the beginning, fans cried about that, and DBS gave fan service. Also how they eliminate Krillin in Top is dumb. You speak about Krillin (who keeps tradition of dying in GT), Android 17 (has a saga in GT), Android (helps Goku in the S17 saga), and Tien (he is missing in GT 💀) but not about Master Roshi who is the human that really did something in Top.
Vegeta is the reason Baby Saga exist, gets SSJ4. At least he isn't humiliated as in Super

Every single point you made here is a way to stretch GT to make it look better than Super, you said Super is GARBAGE while GT for you is "better", but you pretty much confirmed to me that Super has better things that GT doesn't, all you can do is admit "Ok super is trash but GT is trash too" let's leave it at that and call it a day.

[Luwae]

Postat inițial de AgenteZastin:

Postat inițial de Luwae:

No dude. Do you think Goku on namek saga is the strongest saiyan that ever existed? And yet there is only one other ssj on history previous to him, because he was the only one to have a gentle soul despite being a saiyan.

If all the saiyans before being wiped out knew that ssj exist and that all you need is to lose your calm more than usual, there would have been a lot of them to find a way or another to reach it. That's pure logic, ssj isn't that hard to achieve, it's just that if you don't know how to do it, it's nearly impossible for someone raised to fight for war and losing comrades since childhood to lose his mind to that point. Fact is you're just trying to find a reason to hate it when there is none.

And the thing i showed you from GT is just cause i stumbled upon it. There is hundreds of reason to dislike GT, as proven by the huge majority of DB fans who dislike it. Just as there are hundreds of reason to dislike DBS anime, because it did ♥♥♥♥ both in story wise and animation, compared to the manga.

Vegeta's heart wasn't gentle when he achieved SSJ, he had to train, Namek Goku should be one of the strongest because he got SSJ, of course, the first SSJ should be as strong as Goku or even more. The point is that you need a certain power level/ 'S' cells to achieve SSJ, doesn't matter to have a gentle heart, Goten and Trunks already had that level so that's why they have it, even without knowing what it was. So if Caulifla already had that level she should achieved SSJ earlier the same way Goten and Trunks did.
Saying GT has a lot of mistakes and not saying one worse than all the ones on DBS I've already told you means nothing to me.

As you want to brag about S-cells without knowing what you're talking about, go read this.

https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/S-Cells

S-cells are not the only thing required. It just ease the transformation. As i said, you still need to lose your ♥♥♥♥, or experiencing emotional stress, as they says. If you don't get what this means, then my guess is you probably never experienced emotional stress in your life, which i'm happy for you, but don't come and talk about things you have no idea about.

And btw, it was easier for Trunks and Goten, but they still transformed because they get angry. Just that for a kid living in a peaceful world and being spoiled, getting angry to a point of being able to reach an already eased ssj state, it's far from hard.

[TyresTyco]

To sum it up. GT isnt total garbage but GT isn't good either. SS4 still is the most awesome transformation tho. Imho far better than red hair, blue hair. dark blue hair, pink hair, grey hair, white hair and rainbow hair.

To bad we won't see it outside of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ heroes ever again.

[UNKNOWN]

Postat inițial de TyresTyco:

To sum it up. GT isnt total garbage but GT isn't good either. SS4 still is the most awesome transformation tho. Imho far better than red hair, blue hair. dark blue hair, pink hair, grey hair, white hair and rainbow hair.

To bad we won't see it outside of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ heroes ever again.

nah Rainbow hair goes hard. i want to see a rainbow kamehameha

[AgenteZastin]

Postat inițial de Luwae:

But if you want me to tell you why GT is poorly done and a shame to dragon ball, i can just quote you various answers, for your own pleasure.

"It's stupid and pointless
Full of plot holes, full of pointless plots that doesn't go anywhere, full of dissapointing fights, full of ♥♥♥♥.

SSJ4 with pink hair. Let that sink for a moment for you.

Goku turns into a big ass GOLDEN ape, and then turns into a Pink monkey guy. With pants, apparently.

Clothes miraclously appear in GT.

Those forced, tear jerking flashbacks moments with Pan.

Also, WHO THE ♥♥♥♥♥ KEEPS BLACK STAR DRAGON BALLS IN A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ BASKET THAT SOMEONE CAN FIND BY ACCIDENT AND THEN IF IT MAKES A WISH, THE PLANET BLOWS UP?

Oh oh, better question, why the ♥♥♥♥ does Picollo have to die again? To destroy the Black star dragon balls, sure. But here's the thing, don't do that, one more thing, did they forgot about the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Namek dragon balls? Why don't ask Kibito to go to Namek (HE CAN TELEPORT), wish for the people in Earth to be teleported to a safe planet before the planet goes boom, then wish earth back when it goes boom, then wish for the people to go back to earth, SIMPLE!

One more thing, why the ♥♥♥♥ didn't they wish for Goku to go back to his normal form? I mean, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, they are constantly getting attacked by aliens and ♥♥♥♥, and people is like "hehe, goku is a kid again, so funny".

Baby's saga was cool though. Wish it had more backstory about the Tuffles.

Also, i don't like that Vegeta changed his ways so much, like, in the Buu saga, he let Babidi to take control of him, sure, but he despised that idea.

In GT, he was like, "brb, 5 mins, gonna turn SSJ4 #swag", i mean, WTF!, he was so proud and ♥♥♥♥, and in GT is like he doesn't give a ♥♥♥♥ anymore, he will take any power up, boost, or anything like candy. I don't like that. That's so out of character it hurts"

"Most people dislike GT for a couple of resaons: The plot-holes, the characters being watered down, not acting like themselves, the Black Star Dragon Ball Saga, Kid Goku, Pan, fight scenes being lackluster, characters randomly getting there clothes back, Super Saiyan 4 being black and pink even though Super Oozaru and all the other Super Saiyan forms where gold and a bunch of other things."

"It's because it had HUGE potential yet wasted so much of it. Not to mention the horrible TOEI logic (Dragon Ball as a whole isn't exactly the most coherent story to begin with but Gt is on a whole another level), and Pan and Giru are annoying as ♥♥♥♥."

Even the bot from Quora can answer you :

"Dragon Ball GT is a controversial installment in the Dragon Ball franchise that was not created by the original manga author Akira Toriyama. Some of the common criticisms of Dragon Ball GT include:

Significant deviations from the established Dragon Ball storyline and character arcs. Many fans felt the plot and character developments did not flow naturally from the previous Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z series.
Unpopular character designs and transformations, such as Super Saiyan 4, which some found unappealing compared to the classic Super Saiyan transformations.
Perceived poor pacing, with some story arcs feeling drawn out or uninteresting. Certain plot points were seen as repetitive or lacking in creativity compared to prior Dragon Ball stories.
The decision to de-age Goku into a child, which many fans felt was an unnecessary gimmick that disrupted the natural progression of the characters.
Lack of involvement from original creator Akira Toriyama, leading to concerns that the series lacked his unique vision and creative touch.
Overall, while Dragon Ball GT has a dedicated fanbase, its major departures from the core Dragon Ball formula and perceived missteps in storytelling and character development led to widespread criticism and disillusionment among a large portion of the franchise's long-standing fans. The series is often regarded as the weakest or most disappointing entry in the greater Dragon Ball saga."

Now, are you that blind that you'll ignore all of these, all being fairly right? I've watched GT too, i know the good and the bad. I personally liked the design, even if it doesn't match the characters and that the choice of clothes are really terrible. Hence why i think that Heroes did better with the material than GT did. But it's still the worst of official stuff made for Dragon Ball.

"It's stupid and pointless
Full of plot holes, full of pointless plots that doesn't go anywhere, full of dissapointing fights, full of ♥♥♥♥"
didn't say which, I can say the same of DBS.

"Goku turns into a big ass GOLDEN ape, and then turns into a Pink monkey guy. With pants, apparently.

Clothes miraclously appear in GT."
You really want to see Goku naked?

"Those forced, tear jerking flashbacks moments with Pan."
Goku gainin consiousness over ozaru form, but I guess you prefer monkeys to stop thinking like Goku in DBS

"Also, WHO THE ♥♥♥♥♥ KEEPS BLACK STAR DRAGON BALLS IN A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ BASKET THAT SOMEONE CAN FIND BY ACCIDENT AND THEN IF IT MAKES A WISH, THE PLANET BLOWS UP?"
I was hoping to see that, actually might be the most nonsensical part of GT, but it at least makes the plot start to move, it's useful to make Goku gather the dragon balls, perfect for an OG adventure, and they scatter in the universe is smart to set the adventure all around the universe, that will be useful for Goku to make friends that will collaborate with the universal spirit bomb. And Super has worse things, like, is really Zeno going to erase 11 universes of ages of existence because he is bored in a 2-hour event? Then he said if the winner didn't wish to the other universe to come back he would erase the winner universe as well, now, why to delete the universes if he plans to use Super Dragon Balls to bring them back?
Black Goku saga is all becuase there is a crazy god from ANOTHER universe that doesn't like humans. Also why Goku though, wasn't Jiren supposed to be the strongest mortal at that time?
Frieza Back, stupid saga with stupid power ups and all that to make Frieza die again.

"Oh oh, better question, why the ♥♥♥♥ does Picollo have to die again? To destroy the Black star dragon balls, sure. But here's the thing, don't do that, one more thing, did they forgot about the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Namek dragon balls? Why don't ask Kibito to go to Namek (HE CAN TELEPORT), wish for the people in Earth to be teleported to a safe planet before the planet goes boom, then wish earth back when it goes boom, then wish for the people to go back to earth, SIMPLE!"
Goku could TP humanity himself. As for Piccolo yeah we all thought it was as easy as keep them safe, but hey, don't forget that they brought back Frieza, gave him absurd stupid power up and killed him again

One more thing, why the ♥♥♥♥ didn't they wish for Goku to go back to his normal form? I mean, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, they are constantly getting attacked by aliens and ♥♥♥♥, and people is like "hehe, goku is a kid again, so funny".
is really that hard for you to understand GT's first saga is set to be an OG adventure? That doesn't spit on the series either. Also, there's no need to do that when he is still the strongest and then he got SSJ4. Better than DBS where Goku is actually mentally retarded, Vegeta uses pacifier, Goku touches octopus alien's ♥♥♥♥ haha funny
Also, What about Daima now?

"Baby's saga was cool though. Wish it had more backstory about the Tuffles."
same with granolah I guess.

"Also, i don't like that Vegeta changed his ways so much, like, in the Buu saga, he let Babidi to take control of him, sure, but he despised that idea."
he changed his ways at Z's end. GT continues what Z ended. don't blame GT for that.

"In GT, he was like, "brb, 5 mins, gonna turn SSJ4 #swag", i mean, WTF!, he was so proud and ♥♥♥♥, and in GT is like he doesn't give a ♥♥♥♥ anymore, he will take any power up, boost, or anything like candy. I don't like that. That's so out of character it hurts""
He had enough training, what is hard to understand he just needed a tail. Did DBS nonsenses get your brain rotted? How is this worse tha U6 Saiyans? "Will take whatever power up" SSG, SSB, SSBE, UE.

That Quora bot must be dumb if it says "Unpopular character designs and transformations, such as Super Saiyan 4" when everyone knows SSJ4 is the best transformation, even haters like to say "The only good thing about GT is SSJ4, Baby, Shadow Dragons, and music"
So that bot is definitely dumb, also I can ask GPT to say why DBS is so bad as well.

[AgenteZastin]

Postat inițial de Luwae:

Postat inițial de AgenteZastin:

Vegeta's heart wasn't gentle when he achieved SSJ, he had to train, Namek Goku should be one of the strongest because he got SSJ, of course, the first SSJ should be as strong as Goku or even more. The point is that you need a certain power level/ 'S' cells to achieve SSJ, doesn't matter to have a gentle heart, Goten and Trunks already had that level so that's why they have it, even without knowing what it was. So if Caulifla already had that level she should achieved SSJ earlier the same way Goten and Trunks did.
Saying GT has a lot of mistakes and not saying one worse than all the ones on DBS I've already told you means nothing to me.

As you want to brag about S-cells without knowing what you're talking about, go read this.

https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/S-Cells

S-cells are not the only thing required. It just ease the transformation. As i said, you still need to lose your ♥♥♥♥, or experiencing emotional stress, as they says. If you don't get what this means, then my guess is you probably never experienced emotional stress in your life, which i'm happy for you, but don't come and talk about things you have no idea about.

And btw, it was easier for Trunks and Goten, but they still transformed because they get angry. Just that for a kid living in a peaceful world and being spoiled, getting angry to a point of being able to reach an already eased ssj state, it's far from hard.

So if for Goten and Trunks needed to bi a bit angry, and Caulifla is like them, you're telling me she didn't get a bit mad in 18 years? Even tho she looks like she is angry all the time? try harder

[Luwae]

You just confirmed you didn't actually read or understand DBS.

Why Goku and not Jiren? Because Zamasu saw Goku on Godtube from the tournament of U6 vs U7. He got mad about the fact a mortal can use a godly power. He picked Goku because it's the only strong mortal he knows about. And the whole point was to show how hypocrite he is, for using a mortal body in the end.

He is an apprentice Kaio Shin, he doesn't wander between the universes. If not for GodTube, because Jaco filmed it, if i recall correctly, he wouldn't have known about Goku.

[Luwae]

Postat inițial de AgenteZastin:

Postat inițial de Luwae:

As you want to brag about S-cells without knowing what you're talking about, go read this.

https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/S-Cells

S-cells are not the only thing required. It just ease the transformation. As i said, you still need to lose your ♥♥♥♥, or experiencing emotional stress, as they says. If you don't get what this means, then my guess is you probably never experienced emotional stress in your life, which i'm happy for you, but don't come and talk about things you have no idea about.

And btw, it was easier for Trunks and Goten, but they still transformed because they get angry. Just that for a kid living in a peaceful world and being spoiled, getting angry to a point of being able to reach an already eased ssj state, it's far from hard.

So if for Goten and Trunks needed to bi a bit angry, and Caulifla is like them, you're telling me she didn't get a bit mad in 18 years? Even tho she looks like she is angry all the time? try harder

Caulifla live in a more peaceful world than planet Vegeta, it's not to the point of earth. She's still running a gang of thieves, that's more peaceful than being a warrior in a war of conquest, but that's no equivalent to how Goten and Trunks grew up.