The parry mechanic was clearly a bad idea....

[Joarry]

Seriously, what a way to spam a parry for god's sake. You can't do anything that instantly you'll get parried if you're not attacking from behind, it's amazing how spammable it is and how easily you can do damage to an opponent. Not to mention i don't think it's damage you can deflect.
So if a player wanted to try and win with 1 hp (I know it's hard) it's not possible because the parry gives you the win. Sometimes it happened to me i had to try a last chance but whenever you are hitting them, parry, free attack, win... so dumb.

[Viceroy]

After a parry use your revenge counter.

[Zogtar]

Mix in some ki blasts and perfect smash attacks if you're mashing square.

[Soulphia]

Originally posted by Joarry:

Seriously, what a way to spam a parry for god's sake. You can't do anything that instantly you'll get parried if you're not attacking from behind, it's amazing how spammable it is and how easily you can do damage to an opponent. Not to mention i don't think it's damage you can deflect.
So if a player wanted to try and win with 1 hp (I know it's hard) it's not possible because the parry gives you the win. Sometimes it happened to me i had to try a last chance but whenever you are hitting them, parry, free attack, win... so dumb.

its a hard timing, but every super counter (parry) can be vanished right after to avoid getting hit, but then it just turns into a vanish war, though it is also possible to super counter out of the vanish war as well, its difficult for sure

[Joarry]

Originally posted by Viceroy:

After a parry use your revenge counter.

Oh i don't use that much since it can be parried as well but i should try sometimes, althought maybe it's better to get hit by the parry and try to win the neutral again.

Originally posted by Judge Caveman:

Mix in some ki blasts and perfect smash attacks if you're mashing square.

Perfect smash it's always a good way, ki blast as well, i don't use too much ki attacks sometimes but i believe it's a good thing. But it's kinda annoying that even when you're already hitting the enemy, he can use parry between combos.

Originally posted by Soulphia:

Originally posted by Joarry:

Seriously, what a way to spam a parry for god's sake. You can't do anything that instantly you'll get parried if you're not attacking from behind, it's amazing how spammable it is and how easily you can do damage to an opponent. Not to mention i don't think it's damage you can deflect.
So if a player wanted to try and win with 1 hp (I know it's hard) it's not possible because the parry gives you the win. Sometimes it happened to me i had to try a last chance but whenever you are hitting them, parry, free attack, win... so dumb.

its a hard timing, but every super counter (parry) can be vanished right after to avoid getting hit, but then it just turns into a vanish war, though it is also possible to super counter out of the vanish war as well, its difficult for sure

Really? didnt know that... i always tried but i never could so i thought it wasnt possible! Since the normal vanishes are really easy.

[lolschrauber]

Originally posted by Joarry:

Originally posted by Soulphia:

its a hard timing, but every super counter (parry) can be vanished right after to avoid getting hit, but then it just turns into a vanish war, though it is also possible to super counter out of the vanish war as well, its difficult for sure

Really? didnt know that... i always tried but i never could so i thought it wasnt possible! Since the normal vanishes are really easy.

Try practicing it on super AI. They super counter quite a bit and the timing isn't that hard to get down imho.

[Kashra Fall]

Originally posted by lolschrauber:

Originally posted by Joarry:

Really? didnt know that... i always tried but i never could so i thought it wasnt possible! Since the normal vanishes are really easy.

Try practicing it on super AI. They super counter quite a bit and the timing isn't that hard to get down imho.

Doesn't translate to online. The super counter timing on the AI is easier because it is a direct moment of your button input. A hair of lag online and your timing is now off, so practicing the timing of "Do it when it sparks." doesn't transmit online unless you're both perfectly connected and perfect FPS the entire time. Hence, why a frame perfect move has no place in an online game, but it's great for offline!

Online is primarily composed of people pusing Up+X in various moment of a moment and hoping for the best.

[女王 [Queen]]

Originally posted by Soulphia:

Originally posted by Joarry:

Seriously, what a way to spam a parry for god's sake. You can't do anything that instantly you'll get parried if you're not attacking from behind, it's amazing how spammable it is and how easily you can do damage to an opponent. Not to mention i don't think it's damage you can deflect.
So if a player wanted to try and win with 1 hp (I know it's hard) it's not possible because the parry gives you the win. Sometimes it happened to me i had to try a last chance but whenever you are hitting them, parry, free attack, win... so dumb.

its a hard timing, but every super counter (parry) can be vanished right after to avoid getting hit, but then it just turns into a vanish war, though it is also possible to super counter out of the vanish war as well, its difficult for sure

its still so so so bad lol
super counter timing needs to either be stricter or cost something

[lolschrauber]

Originally posted by Kashra Fall:

Originally posted by lolschrauber:

Try practicing it on super AI. They super counter quite a bit and the timing isn't that hard to get down imho.

Doesn't translate to online. The super counter timing on the AI is easier because it is a direct moment of your button input. A hair of lag online and your timing is now off, so practicing the timing of "Do it when it sparks." doesn't transmit online unless you're both perfectly connected and perfect FPS the entire time. Hence, why a frame perfect move has no place in an online game, but it's great for offline!

Online is primarily composed of people pusing Up+X in various moment of a moment and hoping for the best.

People are having vanish wars until ki runs out all the time. It's not that bad most of the time. The window is quite large tbh.

[Kashra Fall]

Originally posted by lolschrauber:

Originally posted by Kashra Fall:

Doesn't translate to online. The super counter timing on the AI is easier because it is a direct moment of your button input. A hair of lag online and your timing is now off, so practicing the timing of "Do it when it sparks." doesn't transmit online unless you're both perfectly connected and perfect FPS the entire time. Hence, why a frame perfect move has no place in an online game, but it's great for offline!

Online is primarily composed of people pusing Up+X in various moment of a moment and hoping for the best.

People are having vanish wars until ki runs out all the time. It's not that bad most of the time. The window is quite large tbh.

Z counter and super counter are not the same thing. Super counter is Up and X, Z counter is hitting RB.

[lolschrauber]

Originally posted by Kashra Fall:

Originally posted by lolschrauber:

People are having vanish wars until ki runs out all the time. It's not that bad most of the time. The window is quite large tbh.

Z counter and super counter are not the same thing. Super counter is Up and X, Z counter is hitting RB.

The original argument was about z-countering super counters.

[weiss]

Originally posted by Joarry:

Seriously, what a way to spam a parry for god's sake. You can't do anything that instantly you'll get parried if you're not attacking from behind, it's amazing how spammable it is and how easily you can do damage to an opponent. Not to mention i don't think it's damage you can deflect.
So if a player wanted to try and win with 1 hp (I know it's hard) it's not possible because the parry gives you the win. Sometimes it happened to me i had to try a last chance but whenever you are hitting them, parry, free attack, win... so dumb.

did you know that you can super counter back? its really fun sometimes.
did you know aswell that you can vanish counter a super counter? cool right?
doing this is actually really hard to super counter it again, it is possible though.

more and more peoples will learn how to properly super counter because there pop more and more tutorials up about it on the net. it isnt easy to pull off aswell. its kind of precise and the window varies on all characters aswell. so is it easier to super counter for example a heavy hitter such like broly then a fast hitter such like vegito etc.

it is "in theory" easy but hard to master.
stop complaining about it, learn it on your own and learn how to properly handle a situation where someone actually knows how to do it.

again, complaining about it will not help you in the slightest way.